New Gear Suggestions for Stage Setup

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Hey all!

I'm not sure that the title correctly portrays what I meant, but I basically wanted to share some low cost moves we've made to clean up not only our stage setup, but also improve our overall sound in the congregation, as well we some tips and things we've learned.

In-Ear Monitors
We currently use Avioms for personal mixers. Up until recently it was only optional for the band and myself ( I play rhythm and sing lead) and the other vocalists would use a stage wedge. The problems persist in a closed room with stage wedge monitors as they can end up competing with and even changing the sound of the house mix if they are too loud. So, we picked up a couple more Avioms from ebay (A16-II) and I bought a 2 channel wireless system for the singers. The Xtuga RW 2080 is a low cost, but great system. It allows for 2 singers to use their own avioms. They use RF, so they are great with non-interference. Setup is simple, and they only use 2 AA batteries, with an RF signal meter and battery level on the interface. For $230 this is a God send - allowing your singers to hear what they need to, but have freedom to move about.

Speaking of moving about...

Wireless Microphones
We moved away from wireless a 15 years ago due to dropouts and poor connectivity issues but things are different now. We got tired of having SO MANY cables spread across the stage, so I started researching some cheap wireless solutions. I found and bought 3 of the xVive U3 and they worked great at first. Better during warmups, but we started having issues during services with dropouts. They have 6 digital channels and plug in easily - but this is where I realized they were digitally connected. The problem was they work on the same frequency as wireless modems, cell phones, and when you added 200 folks in the room, these things struggled. Much research later we ended up going with the Shure BLX24R/SM58. Yes, they are a little more costly, but the range and clarity is WOW - and the setup is SO easy.

Now we have no stage monitors, no monitor cables, no mic cables, no dropouts, and a clean floor. I can't tell you how much better it looks and feels. Now all we have is mic stands, a couple iPad holders and I have my effects pedal. I also use the Xvive U2 for my guitar (between my guitar and pedal) with NO latency and no dropouts. It's sweet because I can have my guitar strapped on, grab my mic stand, walk out off stage during rehearsals and hear the house mix without missing a beat.

My Gear:
Electric Guitar: PRS S2 SemiHollow Single Cut in Whale Blue
Acoustic Guitar: Taylor 414CE
Effects Pedal: Line6 Firehawk FX
Lyric/Music app: OnSong

Hope this helps at least ONE person. God Bless!

WW.
 
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Thanks. It was cool to read about your experience. Our church is moving from a movie theater to our own building, so we've got some system architecture to do.

I'm also thinking your guitars are wonderful instruments to get to play. Curious, what drove you to the 16 shape on the Taylor?
 
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That was a good rundown.

I remember when 2.4 GHz systems were all the rage. It was back before smartphone WiFi was prevalent. They used to market them as, "No licensing required!" or "No interference with TV stations!" or "No issues when you're outside the U.S.!" Heh. Now that 2.4 GHz stuff has to be so well-managed, bandwidth-wise, that it's insanely expensive. 2.4 GHz systems have to constantly check available intra-2.4 GHz bandwidth and constantly hop from from one spot to another within that very narrow spectrum. The technology (predictive algorithms) to do that isn't a trivial matter, and so the price points for reliable 2.4 GHz systems have risen quite a bit.

The other problem with 2.4 GHz is that if a sub player comes in and brings a 2.4 GHz wireless transmitter/receiver for his instrument, that can totally bugger whatever architecture the site has put in place. For instance, I used to play at a church that had one 2.4 GHz mic system that would work reliably, no matter the crowd head count, only when set to a group number that was architecturally correct when no other 2.4 GHz devices of its own brand were present. Fine on paper, but add an un-vetted/unapproved wireless instrument system with the same brand name, and dropouts would occur.

So, back to the UHF model, right where we started. That is, as long as the FCC doesn't steal even more UHF bandwidth out of our hands. Lots of lobbying going on in the shadows on that issue. Who knows, this might eventually lead us back to wired mics and wired instruments exclusively, because there'll simply be "no place left to go" anywhere in the RF spectrum.
 
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I'm also thinking your guitars are wonderful instruments to get to play. Curious, what drove you to the 16 shape on the Taylor?

Man, I was wrong lol its a 414CE lol... sorry (I updated my post above). And yes... I LOVE playing these guitars :) I'm very.. VERY blessed!
 
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Man, I was wrong lol its a 414CE lol... sorry (I updated my post above). And yes... I LOVE playing these guitars :) I'm very.. VERY blessed!

Very nice! Those are the type instruments I aspire to - got to get kids out of college first.

I've been seriously considering getting a Taylor 214CE this summer. My current acoustic is a Yamaha FGX800 dreadnought, which I think is a bit low frequency heavy for our mix.

My other current instruments
PRS SE Standard - their base model

Fender American Performer Strat - I was fortunate to get this one new for about 30% off when my local store had to move and was wanting to reduce inventory. I had been planning to buy a MIM Player Series originally.
 
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My mouth started watering when I saw "PRS." I played in a worship band for a few months that had PRS in its veins; both electric players owned them. Between them, they owned many models up and down the price range, but at various times. One guy had an SE Santana, which was one of the best-sounding LP-style guitars I've ever heard. And it was 100% stock, so that says a lot. The other guy showed up at a Christmas Eve concert with... a 2014 McCarty Dragon's Breath. It looked so amazing, I was afraid to get within three feet of it.
 
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My other current instruments
PRS SE Standard - their base model

Fender American Performer Strat

These are solid guitars - and that PRS is beautiful! You'll get there soon - my kids aren't quite at the college age, so I'm spending a little now to last me through those.. "lean" years to come LOL!


One guy had an SE Santana, which was one of the best-sounding LP-style guitars I've ever heard. And it was 100% stock, so that says a lot.

I've not played the SE Santana, but I will say that the stock American PRS guitars (my only experience with PRS) are SUCH good quality. I love how I can spend $2k on a PRS and get a rock. solid. guitar. Spending that on a Gibson Les Paul might still net you with tuning issues, like my 2012 Gibson LP has. Short of a full fret job I've done everything I can think of (aside from a string butler which I just don't want to use) to fix the problem and still the G string is out of tune after about 10 minutes of playtime. Tuning up 3 time during a worship service is frustrating.
 
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Short of a full fret job I've done everything I can think of (aside from a string butler which I just don't want to use) to fix the problem and still the G string is out of tune after about 10 minutes of playtime. Tuning up 3 time during a worship service is frustrating.
Just wondering... Have you tried overwrapping the string on the post? You basically do a scatter-wind so the later wraps lock down the early ones. I know it's usually discouraged, but I have seen it stabilize tuning in many cases.
 
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Just wondering... Have you tried overwrapping the string on the post? You basically do a scatter-wind so the later wraps lock down the early ones. I know it's usually discouraged, but I have seen it stabilize tuning in many cases.

I have, and I've actually tried wrapping "up" the post instead of down, hoping to reduce the degree of angle on the string coming off the nut. That helped the most, but only a little, which in the end wasn't enough. I've tried several wrapping methods, to no avail. It's a sweet guitar with P90's... such a warm gritty sound - perfect for rhythm.
 
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I got a guitar in for a setup a couple years back (high quality ES-335 copy) that wouldn't hold a tune, and I wound up having to replace the stock Tune-O-Matic bridge with one sold by Allparts that had tiny rollers rather than saddles. They have many styles, with various post spacings & diameters. This search will call up a few. I used the 0595, chrome. Anyway, it fixed the problem. Plus, the owner was then able to use the Bigsby and actually have the instrument come back to tune, which as you probably know is rare.

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I got a guitar in for a setup a couple years back (high quality ES-335 copy) that wouldn't hold a tune, and I wound up having to replace the stock Tune-O-Matic bridge with one sold by Allparts that had tiny rollers rather than saddles. They have many styles, with various post spacings & diameters. This search will call up a few. I used the 0595, chrome. Anyway, it fixed the problem. Plus, the owner was then able to use the Bigsby and actually have the instrument come back to tune, which as you probably know is rare.

GB-0595-010
Stories like this give me hope! :)
 
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