Does 1 Corinthians 5:5 show OSAS?

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Hand this man over to Satan for the destruction of the flesh, so that his spirit may be saved on the day of the Lord. 1 Corinthians 5:5

How do those who don't believe in OSAS interpret this verse?

I'm still undecided on the issue but leaning more towards OSAS. I remember reading a post by someone who believed in OSAS that made perfect sense. They said if someone could lose their salvation then they inevitably would. It's not a matter of if but when. Such is the nature of man.

I've also seen those who oppose OSAS claim that those who promote OASIS are giving people a "license to sin" which is pretty slanderous. No true Christian would ever promote such a thing. I'm sure those who believe in OSAS have also read Roman 6.
"What shall we say, then? Shall we go on sinning so that grace may increase? By no means!"
 
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Hand this man over to Satan for the destruction of the flesh, so that his spirit may be saved on the day of the Lord. 1 Corinthians 5:5

How do those who don't believe in OSAS interpret this verse?

I'm still undecided on the issue but leaning more towards OSAS. I remember reading a post by someone who believed in OSAS that made perfect sense. They said if someone could lose their salvation then they inevitably would. It's not a matter of if but when. Such is the nature of man.

I've also seen those who oppose OSAS claim that those who promote OASIS are giving people a "license to sin" which is pretty slanderous. No true Christian would ever promote such a thing. I'm sure those who believe in OSAS have also read Roman 6.
"What shall we say, then? Shall we go on sinning so that grace may increase? By no means!"

He is telling the Corinthians to deliver the man to the authorities for scourging as a form of penance. St. John Chrysostom has it:

"And he said not, Give up such an one to Satan, but deliver; opening unto him the doors of repentance, and delivering up such an one as it were to a schoolmaster. And again it is, such an one: he no where can endure to make mention of his name.

For the destruction of the flesh. As was done in the case of the blessed Job, but not upon the same ground. For in that case it was for brighter crowns, but here for loosing of sins; that he might scourge him with a grievous sore or some other disease. True it is that elsewhere he says, Of the Lord are we judged, 1 Corinthians 11:32 when we suffer these things. But here, desirous of making them feel it more severely, he delivers up unto Satan. And so this too which God had determined ensued, that the man's flesh was chastised. For because inordinate eating and carnal luxuriousness are the parents of desires, it is the flesh which he chastises."
 
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Hand this man over to Satan for the destruction of the flesh, so that his spirit may be saved on the day of the Lord. 1 Corinthians 5:5

How do those who don't believe in OSAS interpret this verse?

I'm still undecided on the issue but leaning more towards OSAS. I remember reading a post by someone who believed in OSAS that made perfect sense. They said if someone could lose their salvation then they inevitably would. It's not a matter of if but when. Such is the nature of man.

I've also seen those who oppose OSAS claim that those who promote OASIS are giving people a "license to sin" which is pretty slanderous. No true Christian would ever promote such a thing. I'm sure those who believe in OSAS have also read Roman 6.
"What shall we say, then? Shall we go on sinning so that grace may increase? By no means!"
The confusion arises over the meaning of salvation. If we are born again, then we have eternal life. If God can die, so can we. However, we are not just spirit, we have a soul which should express what is in our spirit man - the Life of Christ. That is another issue entirely. The soul is primarily mind, emotions and volition, which is the ability to choose. Ideally, we would always choose according to the direction in our spirit and always act according to the power of the resurrection life that dwells within. That we do not choose correctly is plain.

Christians place great emphasis on sin. OK, so does the Word of God. But there is something much more insidious and difficult to deal with. That is self, especially the "good" self. Many people sin by doing what they think is right. You may not be able to fault them according to the Law and commandments.
James says it like this,

"Come now, you who say, 'Today or tomorrow we will go to such and such a city, and spend a year there and engage in business and make a profit.'"

What is wrong with that? Nothing - as long as it's God's will.

And verse 15, 'Instead, you ought to say, “If the Lord is willing, we will live and do this or that.” 16As it is, you boast in your proud intentions. All such boasting is evil. 17Anyone, then, who knows the right thing to do, yet fails to do it, is guilty of sin.'

We should not let the "good" hinder us from doing what is right.

It is possible to be born again and yet miss God's best for your life. I urge the brethren to make the most of the short time that we have on the earth. It determines our placement in God's kingdom. All who are born again will get to heaven when they leave this life. But God rewards us according to how we've lived.
 
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How do those who don't believe in OSAS interpret this verse?
"You are to deliver this man over to Satan for physical discipline [to destroy carnal lusts which prompted him to incest], that [his] spirit may [yet] be saved in the day of the Lord Jesus." 1 Corinthians 5:5, Amplified Bible

"May yet" tells me that his spirit does not currently belong to Jesus (though it did at one time).

"Do you not know that to whom you present yourselves slaves to obey,
you are that one’s slaves whom you obey, whether
  • of sin leading to death, or
  • of obedience leading to righteousness?" Romans 6:16 NKJV
 
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Hand this man over to Satan for the destruction of the flesh, so that his spirit may be saved on the day of the Lord. 1 Corinthians 5:5

How do those who don't believe in OSAS interpret this verse?

I'm still undecided on the issue but leaning more towards OSAS. I remember reading a post by someone who believed in OSAS that made perfect sense. They said if someone could lose their salvation then they inevitably would. It's not a matter of if but when. Such is the nature of man.

I've also seen those who oppose OSAS claim that those who promote OASIS are giving people a "license to sin" which is pretty slanderous. No true Christian would ever promote such a thing. I'm sure those who believe in OSAS have also read Roman 6.
"What shall we say, then? Shall we go on sinning so that grace may increase? By no means!"
I think that the passage, primarily, displays God's determination to keep us. In some ways, God is like a parent, guiding His children through a crowded shopping mall ... where He knows, at any moment, our attention may be distracted from His leadership ... and we would become lost.

The good parent, and even better, God ... makes it His business to continuously REDIRECT our attention to Him, so that we do not stray away. And even if we do become the one lost sheep, ... He will exhaust no effort ... to FIND us ... and bring us back to Him. The shepherds of old would ultimately break the legs of his wander-prone sheep ... to keep them from straying. God put Jacob's hip out of joint.

God will do what it takes ... to keep us. Whether a grab, a pull, a swat to our behinds ... God knows how to best keep His children.

Sometimes ... God will give us a taste ... of what it is like to be without Him ... so that we will more fully realize the benefits of His companionship. His protection from the schemes of Satan to destroy us is a great benefit.
 
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Hand this man over to Satan for the destruction of the flesh, so that his spirit may be saved on the day of the Lord. 1 Corinthians 5:5

How do those who don't believe in OSAS interpret this verse?

I'm still undecided on the issue but leaning more towards OSAS. I remember reading a post by someone who believed in OSAS that made perfect sense. They said if someone could lose their salvation then they inevitably would. It's not a matter of if but when. Such is the nature of man.

I've also seen those who oppose OSAS claim that those who promote OASIS are giving people a "license to sin" which is pretty slanderous. No true Christian would ever promote such a thing. I'm sure those who believe in OSAS have also read Roman 6.
"What shall we say, then? Shall we go on sinning so that grace may increase? By no means!"
I've also seen those who oppose OSAS claim that those who promote OASIS are giving people a "license to sin" which is pretty slanderous. No true Christian would ever promote such a thing.
No true Christian would ever promote such a thing.
Satan would.

He's deceptive.

Always HAS been.

As Jesus Himself said....he is the "father of lies" and a "murderer" from the beginning.
 
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Hand this man over to Satan for the destruction of the flesh, so that his spirit may be saved on the day of the Lord. 1 Corinthians 5:5

How do those who don't believe in OSAS interpret this verse?

I'm still undecided on the issue but leaning more towards OSAS. I remember reading a post by someone who believed in OSAS that made perfect sense. They said if someone could lose their salvation then they inevitably would. It's not a matter of if but when. Such is the nature of man.

I've also seen those who oppose OSAS claim that those who promote OASIS are giving people a "license to sin" which is pretty slanderous. No true Christian would ever promote such a thing. I'm sure those who believe in OSAS have also read Roman 6.
"What shall we say, then? Shall we go on sinning so that grace may increase? By no means!"

Basically dude was doing ungodly things and God let Satan to destroy him ( read it as for example drug addict overdose ).

Ye he was saved
 
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In regards to the case of the man who had his father's wife in 1 Corinthians 5:1-5, this man truly stumbled and was in need of repentance in regards to this matter. How long did he stumble? We don't know for sure, yet Paul did not say the man lost his salvation and needed to get saved all over again. He was to receive discipline (delivered to Satan for the destruction of the flesh) yet (that his spirit may be saved in the day of the Lord Jesus). Some may argue that the man did repent in 2 Corinthians chapter 2.
 
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Hand this man over to Satan for the destruction of the flesh, so that his spirit may be saved on the day of the Lord. 1 Corinthians 5:5

How do those who don't believe in OSAS interpret this verse?

I'm still undecided on the issue but leaning more towards OSAS. I remember reading a post by someone who believed in OSAS that made perfect sense. They said if someone could lose their salvation then they inevitably would. It's not a matter of if but when. Such is the nature of man.

I've also seen those who oppose OSAS claim that those who promote OASIS are giving people a "license to sin" which is pretty slanderous. No true Christian would ever promote such a thing. I'm sure those who believe in OSAS have also read Roman 6.
"What shall we say, then? Shall we go on sinning so that grace may increase? By no means!"
1 Cor 5:5..."To deliver such an one unto Satan for the destruction of the flesh, that the spirit may be saved in the day of the Lord Jesus."
I look at this verse this way...The "spirit" in this case is the church, and Paul wants the "fleshly" separated from the "spiritual", lest others also be defiled.
Remember, a little leaven leaveneth the whole lump.
To accommodate the fleshly/sinner in their midst will count against all of them.

As for OSAS...I believe it is true using 1 John 3:9 as my proof.
This verse does differentiate/exclude the sinners from those "born of God".
 
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1 Corinthians 5 Easy-to-Read Version (ERV)

5 I don’t want to believe what I am hearing—that there is sexual sin among you. And it is such a bad kind of sexual sin that even those who have never known God don’t allow it. People say that a man there has his father’s wife. 2 And still you are proud of yourselves! You should have been filled with sadness. And the man who committed that sin should be put out of your group. 3 I cannot be there with you in person, but I am with you in spirit. And I have already judged the man who did this. I judged him the same as I would if I were really there. 4 Come together in the name of our Lord Jesus. I will be with you in spirit, and you will have the power of our Lord Jesus with you. 5 Then turn this man over to Satan. His sinful self has to be destroyed so that his spirit will be saved on the day when the Lord comes again.

This is the evidence that he repented and got saved.

2 Corinthians 2:5-11 Easy-to-Read Version (ERV)
Forgive the Person Who Did Wrong
5 Someone in your group has caused sadness—not to me, but to all of you. I mean he has caused sadness to all in some way. (I don’t want to make it sound worse than it really is.) 6 The punishment that most of your group gave him is enough for him. 7 But now you should forgive him and encourage him. This will keep him from having too much sadness and giving up completely. 8 So I beg you to show him that you love him. 9 This is why I wrote to you. I wanted to test you and see if you obey in everything. 10 If you forgive someone, then I also forgive them. And what I have forgiven—if I had anything to forgive—I forgave it for you, and Christ was with me. 11 I did this so that Satan would not win anything from us. We know very well what his plans are.

Word Pictures by Robertson
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1 Corinthians 5:5

To deliver such an one unto Satan (paradounai ton toiouton twi Satanai). We have the same idiom in 1 Timothy 1:20 used of Hymenius and Alexander. In 2 Corinthians 12:7 Paul speaks of his own physical suffering as a messenger (aggelo) of Satan. Paul certainly means expulsion from the church (verse 2 Corinthians 2 ) and regarding him as outside of the commonwealth of Israel ( Ephesians 2:11 ). But we are not to infer that expulsion from the local church means the damnation of the offender. The wilful offenders have to be expelled and not regarded as enemies, but admonished as brothers ( 2 Thessalonians 3:14 ). For the destruction of the flesh (ei oleqron th sarko). Both for physical suffering as in the case of Job ( Job 2:6 ) and for conquest of the fleshly sins, remedial punishment. That the spirit may be saved (ina to pneuma swqh). The ultimate purpose of the expulsion as discipline. Note the use of to pneuma in contrast with sarx as the seat of personality (cf. Job 3:15 ). Paul's motive is not merely vindictive, but the reformation of the offender who is not named here nor in 2 Corinthians 2:5-11 if the same man is meant, which is very doubtful. The final salvation of the man in the day of Christ is the goal and this is to be attained not by condoning his sin."
1 Corinthians 5:5 Commentary - Robertson's Word Pictures of the New Testament

Note: Satan can have the meaning of adversary.
 
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I'm still undecided on the issue but leaning more towards OSAS. I remember reading a post by someone who believed in OSAS that made perfect sense. They said if someone could lose their salvation then they inevitably would. It's not a matter of if but when. Such is the nature of man.
Did anyone mention the loss of logic in this statement? IF they inevitably would, then everyone would, not just the ones who willingly rebel.
Therefore, the premise is false, (not true), and nothing should be decided based on the given premise.
 
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