What Happens To The Believer When His Faith Is Placed In The Cross?
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“He is now functioning in God’s Divine Order and if Faith remains in the Cross of Christ exclusively, he or she will now experience all that for which Jesus died.
Doesn’t it make sense, considering the price that Jesus paid on the Cross of Calvary that He would want us to have all that for which He died? I think the answer to that is obvious! But sadly, most Believers are living far beneath their Spiritual Privileges in Christ and it is because of not understanding the Cross of Christ as it refers to our Sanctification, i.e., how we live for God.”
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Doesn’t it make sense, considering the price that Jesus paid on the Cross of Calvary that He would want us to have all that for which He died? I think the answer to that is obvious! But sadly, most Believers are living far beneath their Spiritual Privileges in Christ and it is because of not understanding the Cross of Christ as it refers to our Sanctification, i.e., how we live for God.”
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My faith is in the Risen Lord..
don't know about anyone else..
"and if Christ hath not been raised, then is our preaching vain, your faith also is vain." 1 Corinthians 15:14
People who are still at the cross and not sitting at the feet of the Risen Lord have a ways to go, in my estimation.
don't know about anyone else..
"and if Christ hath not been raised, then is our preaching vain, your faith also is vain." 1 Corinthians 15:14
People who are still at the cross and not sitting at the feet of the Risen Lord have a ways to go, in my estimation.
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If you leave the Cross, i.e., the Blood of Jesus, i.e., the Perfect Sacrifice, you enter death. Romans 8:2
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Most of the Church has apostatize...proclaiming Christ, while forsaking the Cross of Calvary where the victory was won, over sin, the world, the flesh, and the Devil; the same as Cain.
Jesus said that these Churches and Pastors have made a name for themselves. However, Jesus said they are dead. Rev. 3:1
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Romans 8:2 isn't really supportive of your ideas here.
"For the law of the Spirit of life in Christ Jesus made me free from the law of sin and of death."
Christ blood is a part of it. But the message is one of life - Christ raised. If we aren't following a Risen Lord who gives us new Life then we are still wandering blind.
The message of salvation is that Christ's death overcame sin and death itself; He rose, alive, overcoming death itself and as a result holds the keys of death and hell in His Hand (in His power) and when He had done all He needed to do, sat down at the right hand of the Father.
Thus, doing for us what we cannot do for ourselves.
If we are still at his death, we are missing the new life in Him, our King having come into His Kingdom.
But I'll leave you to it. God bless.
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“5 For if we have been planted together (with Christ) in the likeness of His Death (Paul proclaims the Cross as the instrument through which all Blessings come; consequently, the Cross must ever be the Object of our Faith, which gives the Holy Spirit latitude to work within our lives), we shall be also in the likeness of His Resurrection (we can have the “likeness of His Resurrection,” i.e., “live this Resurrection Life,” only as long as we understand the “likeness of His Death,” which refers to the Cross as the Means by which all of this is done):” Romans 6:5
“11 And I, Brethren, if I yet preach Circumcision, why do I yet suffer persecution? (Any message other than the Cross draws little opposition.) then is the offence of the Cross ceased. (The Cross offends the world and most of the Church. So, if the preacher ceases to preach the Cross as the only way of Salvation and Victory, then opposition and persecution will cease. But so will Salvation!)” Galatians 5:11
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Our blessings come through the actual risen Son of God - Jesus, who sits on the right side of The Father in heaven.
Our righteousness is imputed to us through Jesus death on the cross to pay for the sin of the world.
Of course - we have to obediently trust that Jesus blood works to cover our sins here and now.. Because if we don't believe this - we get trapped into leaving God behind to chase our own personal righteousness instead of accepting this Grace will let us follow God wherever he takes us.
It's the parable of the foolish virgins. They were foolish because they didn't believe that Oil has nothing to do with betrothal. Their betrothal was predicated upon virginity and going with the Groom to the wedding - nothing else. Once he shows up - everything at that point is his problem to deal with, not hers... But they Foolishly run the opposite way to go deal with this irrelevant stuff which the bridegroom doesn't care about...
Our righteousness is imputed to us through Jesus death on the cross to pay for the sin of the world.
Of course - we have to obediently trust that Jesus blood works to cover our sins here and now.. Because if we don't believe this - we get trapped into leaving God behind to chase our own personal righteousness instead of accepting this Grace will let us follow God wherever he takes us.
It's the parable of the foolish virgins. They were foolish because they didn't believe that Oil has nothing to do with betrothal. Their betrothal was predicated upon virginity and going with the Groom to the wedding - nothing else. Once he shows up - everything at that point is his problem to deal with, not hers... But they Foolishly run the opposite way to go deal with this irrelevant stuff which the bridegroom doesn't care about...
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First, your reading your own thoughts into scripture here, and not allowing them to speak.
Galatians 5:6-7
"For in Christ Jesus neither circumcision nor uncircumcision has any value. The only thing that counts is faith expressing itself through love. You were running a good race. Who cut in on you to keep you from obeying the truth?"
What truth did they stop obeying? They went back to the physical law, in the form of circumcision, instead of living faith through love.
"That kind of persuasion does not come from the one who calls you. "A little yeast works through the whole batch of dough." I am confident in the Lord that you will take no other view. The one who is throwing you into confusion, whoever that may be, will have to pay the penalty. Brothers and sisters, if I am still preaching circumcision, why am I still being persecuted? In that case the offense of the cross has been abolished." Galatians 5:8-11
So what is the offense of the cross?
Galatians 5:18 "But if you are led by the Spirit, you are not under the law."
For many, that's quite offensive. So what is the law we are under now?
"But the fruit of the Spirit is love, joy, peace, forbearance, kindness, goodness, faithfulness, gentleness and self-control. Against such things there is no law." Galatians 5:22-23
(I'll skip your other out of context quotation for brevity of time)
So, how do we crucify the deeds of the flesh, so that we may live with Christ?
"Yet to all who did receive him, to those who believed in his name, he gave the right to become children of God--children born not of natural descent, nor of human decision or a husband's will, but born of God." John 1:12-13
Romans 8:14, “All who are led by the Spirit are the sons of God”
"And I will put my spirit within you, and cause you to walk in my statutes, and ye shall keep my judgments, and do them." Ezekiel 36:27
So, in short, we should put to death the deeds of the flesh at the cross, and then move on, to new life through Christ. The cross should be short lived, and life in Christ goes on without end.
Hence, why I said if anyone is still at the cross they've a ways to go.
It doesn't mean we won't ever need to revisit the cross from time to time perhaps, for revival and/or renewal, but we should always move past death to life in Christ. Because life is the message. Life has no end.
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What Jesus accomplished on the Cross has given the Holy Spirit the legal right to live in us, to help us. The Cross has given us access into the Most Holy Place by the Blood of Jesus (Hebrews 10:19 NIV). Every single blessing received by the Child of God comes through Calvary.
If the Cross of Christ is not strictly the Object of our Faith, God looks at everything else as "worldliness." No matter how religious our efforts may be otherwise, it is still looked at by the Lord as "friendship with the world." This means the Believer in essence becomes an "enemy of God."
Christians must start thinking Spiritually, which refers to the fact that everything is furnished to us through the Cross, and is obtained by Faith and not works. Many Christians say you put too much emphasis on the Cross. I remind you that the Apostle Paul said, "We preach Christ Crucified (1 Cor. 1:23). He also said, "For I determined not to know any thing among you, save Jesus Christ, and Him Crucified (1 Cor. 2:2). Notice two subjects: Christ and the Cross. Why would the Apostle Paul say such a thing? Because that is the only way we receive victory over sin, the world, the flesh, and the Devil!
And he said to them all, If any man will come after Me (the criteria for Discipleship), let him deny himself (not asceticism as many think, but rather that one denies one's own willpower, self-will, strength, and ability, depending totally on Christ), and take up his cross (the benefits of the Cross, looking exclusively to what Jesus did there to meet our every need) daily (this is so important, our looking to the Cross; that we must renew our Faith in what Christ has done for us, even on a daily basis, for Satan will ever try to move us away from the Cross as the Object of our Faith, which always spells disaster), and follow Me (Christ can be followed only by the Believer looking to the Cross, understanding what it accomplished, and by that means alone [Rom. 6:3-5, 11, 14; 8:1-2, 11; 1 Cor. 1:17-18, 21, 23; 2:2; Gal. 6:14; Eph. 2:13-18; Col. 3:14-15]). Luke 9:23
For whosoever will save his life shall lose it (try to live one's life outside of Christ and the Cross): but whosoever will lose his life for My sake, the same shall save it (when we place our Faith entirely in Christ and the Cross, looking exclusively to Him, we have just found "more Abundant Life" [John 10:10]) Luke 9:24
As far as trying to do something as it concerns taking up the Cross daily, we are to do nothing. In fact, it was already done at Calvary some two thousand years ago. On a daily basis, we should reinforce our Faith in Christ and what He has done for us at the Cross (Rom. 6:3-5; 8:2, Gal. 2:20-21, Col. 2:10-15). This is the "Truth" which we must learn, act upon, and continue to act upon, which guarantees the help of the Holy Spirit.
We are not wrestling against flesh and blood. Satan has been defeated through the Cross. Principalities and powers have been spoiled (Col. 2:15). We are enforcing this victory through applying the Cross of Calvary to the pulling down strongholds by placing and maintain our Faith exclusively in Christ and the Finished Work at Calvary Cross where the victory was won, i.e., "The Blood of Jesus." Our source of Power is the Holy Spirit and the Word of God.
The LORD shall fight for you, and you shall hold your peace (Exodus 14:14). "In Justification, the Lord fights 'for' us, and in Sanctification, He fights 'in' us."
Two kinds of peace
- Justifying Peace - This is Peace with God, a legal standing. Rom. 8:7; Eph. 2:14-15
- Sanctifying Peace - This is the Peace of God in the heart. Rom. 8:6; 14:19; 15:13; Gal. 1:3
Sanctifying peace allows the Holy Spirit to deliver the Believer into the death, burial, and resurrection of Christ so that the Life of Christ is manifested through the Believer by the power of the Holy Spirit (2 Cor. 4:11, Gal. 2:20-21, Romans 8:2; 13, John 14:21). We must remember, it is His Life (Christ) that brings the victory, and not ours.
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See post #13
“Other than the Cross of Christ, there is no Atonement for sin, no forgiveness of sin, no eradication of guilt, no Eternal Life, no new birth, no Baptism with the Holy Spirit, no Mercy, and no Grace, etc. In other words, every single thing we receive from God comes to us by and through Jesus Christ and what He did at the Cross. Perhaps the following little formula will help us to understand it better:
• Jesus Christ is the Source of all things that we receive from God (John 14:6; Colossians 2:10).
• The Cross of Christ is the Means and, in fact, the only Means by which these things are given to us (Romans 6:3-5; 1 Corinthians 2:2).
• The Cross of Christ and the Cross of Christ alone must be the Object of our Faith in order for us to receive what has been given (1 Corinthians 1:17, 23; Galatians 6:14).
• The Holy Spirit, Who works exclusively within the parameters of the Finished Work of Christ, oversees all of this (Romans 8:1-2, Romans 8:11; Ephesians 2:13-18).
Let us establish the fact that it is the Cross of Christ alone which addresses sin. And please understand, when we are speaking of the Cross of Christ, we aren’t actually speaking of the wooden beam on which He died. We are rather speaking of the great victories He purchased there with His Own Blood, in other words, the benefits accrued to us. Benefits, I might quickly add, which will never cease, hence, Paul referring to the Cross as “The Everlasting Covenant” (Hebrews 13:20).”
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Please note the following:
The only way to God is through Jesus Christ (John 14:6)
The only way to Jesus Christ is by the Means of the Cross (Luke 14:27
The only way to the Cross is a denial of self (Luke 9:23).
If any person tries to come any other way, Jesus says, "they are a thief and a robber" (John 10:1).
The Believer must understand if they bypass the Cross, i.e., the Scrafice, i.e., the Blood of Jesus, then judgement must fall of them. Judgement will always fall on the Sacrifice or the Believer.
Concern this:
The Believer must understand that when God doesn't see the Believers heart exhibiting Faith in His beloved Son "The Lamb of God" in whom He is pleased, you have chosen another Jesus (2 Corinthians 11:4) which produces strange fire and strange incenses.
When Aaron's sons Nadab & Abihu, Priests of God, ordained of God, called by God, and anointed by God - failed to take coals of fire from the Brazen Altar (A Type of Calvary), but from another source, and put those coals of fire on the Golden Altar, which sat immediately in front of the Veil, which hid the Holy of Holies, where God dwelt between the Mercy seat and the Cherubim. They were devoured by fire from the Holy of Holies. In other words, to do such was, in effect, to bypass Calvary, which God could not tolerate.
Man can come before God only on one premise, and that is by and through the shed Blood of the Lord Jesus Christ. That and that alone, which the Brazen Altar and its Sacrifices typified, gains entrance to God in any Form. When Jesus said, “No man cometh to the Father but by Me,” He was speaking of what He would do at the Cross of Calvary, which would make all of this possible (John 14:6).
If you bypass the Cross (The Lamb of God-The Blood of Jesus) you enter death!
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The only way to God is through Jesus Christ (John 14:6)
The only way to Jesus Christ is by the Means of the Cross (Luke 14:27
The only way to the Cross is a denial of self (Luke 9:23).
If any person tries to come any other way, Jesus says, "they are a thief and a robber" (John 10:1).
The Believer must understand if they bypass the Cross, i.e., the Scrafice, i.e., the Blood of Jesus, then judgement must fall of them. Judgement will always fall on the Sacrifice or the Believer.
Concern this:
The Believer must understand that when God doesn't see the Believers heart exhibiting Faith in His beloved Son "The Lamb of God" in whom He is pleased, you have chosen another Jesus (2 Corinthians 11:4) which produces strange fire and strange incenses.
When Aaron's sons Nadab & Abihu, Priests of God, ordained of God, called by God, and anointed by God - failed to take coals of fire from the Brazen Altar (A Type of Calvary), but from another source, and put those coals of fire on the Golden Altar, which sat immediately in front of the Veil, which hid the Holy of Holies, where God dwelt between the Mercy seat and the Cherubim. They were devoured by fire from the Holy of Holies. In other words, to do such was, in effect, to bypass Calvary, which God could not tolerate.
Man can come before God only on one premise, and that is by and through the shed Blood of the Lord Jesus Christ. That and that alone, which the Brazen Altar and its Sacrifices typified, gains entrance to God in any Form. When Jesus said, “No man cometh to the Father but by Me,” He was speaking of what He would do at the Cross of Calvary, which would make all of this possible (John 14:6).
If you bypass the Cross (The Lamb of God-The Blood of Jesus) you enter death!
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Well when your speaking against the works salvationists you too can preach Christ crucified just like Paul. Audience is always key..
Are Baptists works salvationists? I'm not..
False gospels do not require you to overcome sin
Here's one^^^ share with him what Christ did on the cross of Calvary.
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"But we Preach Christ Crucified, unto the Jews a stumbling block, and unto the Greeks foolishness: But unto them which are called, both Jews and Greeks (Gentiles), Christ the Power of God, and the Wisdom of God (I Cor. 1:23-24).
The story of the Bible is the story of Jesus Christ and Him Crucified. Every Sacrifice in the Bible points toward that coming event. The entirety of the Tabernacle and Temple, with all of its furnishings, ceremonies, and rituals, all and without exception, point to Christ in either His Atoning, Mediatorial, or Intercessory Work. In fact, the entirety of the Law pointed to Christ in some manner.
That’s why Paul said, “We preach Christ Crucified.”
He didn’t merely say, “We preach Christ,” but rather “We preach Christ Crucified.”
Many presently are preaching Christ, but, within itself, that is not enough.
Why isn’t it enough?
The Virgin Birth of Christ was an absolute necessity; however, had it stopped there, not one single soul would have been redeemed. The Perfect Life of Christ was an absolute necessity, but had it stopped there, not one single soul would have been redeemed. The healings and miracles were an absolute necessity, but had it stopped there, not one soul would have been redeemed.
Jesus had to go to the Cross. The Cross was ever His goal. Some 750 years before the fact, Christ said, “I gave My back to the smiters, and My cheeks to them who plucked off the hair: I hid not My face from shame and spitting.
“For the Lord GOD will help Me; therefore shall I not be confounded: therefore have I set My face like a flint, and I know that I shall not be ashamed” (Isa. 50:6-7). His Face was set like flint for the Cross, meaning that He would not be deterred. The preaching of Christ Crucified is the Doctrine of the Atonement. It is the very heart of the Gospel. Remove that and there is no Gospel, but merely the ramblings of demented minds.
Why is Christ Crucified a stumbling block to the Jews?
The Jews knew that anyone who was hung on a tree for committing a dastardly crime was cursed by God (Deut. 21:22-23). Jesus was hung on a Cross. So in the mind of the Jews, He was cursed by God. Consequently, He could not be the Messiah, or so they thought. For how could one who was cursed by God be the Messiah?
Christ was, however, not cursed by God, but rather was made a curse, which is altogether different (Gal. 3:13). He had to be “made a curse” because He had committed no crime or sin of any nature — ever! The reason His death had to be on the Cross is because He had to pay for the very worst sins that could ever be imagined; He therefore had to die even as the worst sinner would die, but not because of any sin that He Himself had committed, because, as stated, He never committed any.
In effect, He actually became a “Sin Offering.” But all of this was a stumbling block to the Jews.
Regarding the Greeks, i.e., “Gentiles,” the idea of a naked man hanging on a wooden gibbet, thereby redeeming the entirety of mankind, was, in their thinking, “foolishness.” Those problems remain even unto this hour! But in spite of all that, if “Christ Crucified” is faithfully preached, whether to Jew or Gentile, to those who accept Christ, He becomes “the Power of God, and the Wisdom of God.”
No other Message will bring about these twin attributes. We must “preach Christ Crucified,” i.e., “Christ Crucified” must be the underlying foundation of all that we believe and preach.”’
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Yet you stop there at death for some reason, of which reason confuses me truly - because if Jesus had not then rose again our entire faith would be in vain. All is vanity without a risen, living Lord. .
I've met the dead, our Lord is who rose again, defeating death and Hell for us all.
He's not dead anymore.. it's massive in meaning.
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“As it regards the Cross of Christ versus the Resurrection, the great Apostle said:
“For Christ sent me not to baptize, but to preach the Gospel: not with wisdom of words, lest the Cross of Christ should be made of none effect” (I Cor. 1:17). If it is to be noticed, he did not say, “lest the Resurrection of Christ should be made of none effect.”
He also said, “For the preaching (Word) of the Cross is to them who perish foolishness; but unto us which are Saved it is the Power of God” (I Cor. 1:18).” “He did not say, “For the preaching of the Resurrection is to them. . . .”
The great Apostle also said, “But we preach Christ Crucified” (I Cor. 1:23). He did not say, as it regards the Atonement, “We preach Christ Resurrected. . . .”
Of course, Paul preached the Resurrection of Christ, even as Chapter 15 of I Corinthians bears out, but not as the Atonement.
He also stated to the Church at Corinth and to all others as well, “For I determined not to know any thing among you save Jesus Christ, and Him Crucified” (I Cor. 2:2). He did not say, “For I determined not to know any thing among you save Jesus Christ, and Him Resurrected. . . .”
“He also stated, “But God forbid that I should glory, save in the Cross of our Lord Jesus Christ . . .” (Gal. 6:14). He did not say, “But God forbid that I should glory, save in the Resurrection of our Lord Jesus Christ. . . .”
As we have stated, while the Resurrection, and the Ascension, and the Exaltation of Christ were of extreme significance, these three tremendous attributes were the result of the Atonement, i.e., “the Cross,” instead of the cause.
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Any Believer whose Faith is not placed and maintained exclusively in Christ and the Finished Work at Calvary Cross, i.e., the Blood of Jesus ONLY - for victory over sin, the world, the flesh, and the Devil, has now changed God's prescribed order of victory (Romans 8:2) and made a law (a new way). It does not make a difference what those other things may be, including Christian disciplines! It is LAW (Galatians 2:21).
The Holy Spirit STOPS! The sin nature that was dormant comes alive; the works of the flesh will be visible (Galatians 5:19-21).
The Holy Spirit STOPS! The sin nature that was dormant comes alive; the works of the flesh will be visible (Galatians 5:19-21).
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