Multiverse Theory, multiple Ezekiel 37 events and the unification of Calvinism with Universalism?

Can any moment in time be used as a new beginning for a new time line?

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Well, you see this is just your interpretation. You are still reading into scripture your rendition. :)

One example of the power of choice to change the future.... that may help us to understand is the fact that even the Apostle Paul....... could be hindered by Satan from visiting the people that he wanted to visit when he wanted to visit them????

We think of Paul as being unstoppable... .but he was human like us.


1Thessalonians 2:18
Wherefore we would have come unto you, even I Paul, once and again; but Satan hindered us."

And even Messiah Yeshua - Jesus could be prevented from healing people who he wanted to heal... through their lack of belief.


Matthew 13:58
And he did not many mighty works there because of their unbelief."

This idea just hit me after listening to this after the thirty four minute mark....



Could there be another time line in the future where so much more of the Holy Spirit is poured out that Messiah Yeshua - Jesus faces less and less unbelief there in his hometown????

Could there be another time line in which Paul is able to get to every town that he wants to perhaps due to so much more of the Holy Sprit being poured out in that new time line???
 
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One example of the power of choice to change the future.... that may help us to understand is the fact that even the Apostle Paul....... could be hindered by Satan from visiting the people that he wanted to visit when he wanted to visit them????

We think of Paul as being unstoppable... .but he was human like us.


1Thessalonians 2:18
Wherefore we would have come unto you, even I Paul, once and again; but Satan hindered us."

And even Messiah Yeshua - Jesus could be prevented from healing people who he wanted to heal... through their lack of belief.


Matthew 13:58
And he did not many mighty works there because of their unbelief."

This idea just hit me after listening to this after the thirty four minute mark....



Could there be another time line in the future where so much more of the Holy Spirit is poured out that Messiah Yeshua - Jesus faces less and less unbelief there in his hometown????

Could there be another time line in which Paul is able to get to every town that he wants to perhaps due to so much more of the Holy Sprit being poured out in that new time line???

Keep on with these other dimension scenarios and you will become so confused you will not get back to reality. History changing events happen, then the whole world and everyone within must deal with that reality. Like the cross of Christ, happened: Then all things in heaven and earth must bear that into its place.
 
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Well, you see this is just your interpretation. You are still reading into scripture your rendition. :)

Well if you can show from Scripture that there is a time for repentance after the great white thron is established in Rev. 20. I am all ears!!!

11 And I saw a great white throne, and him that sat on it, from whose face the earth and the heaven fled away; and there was found no place for them.

12 And I saw the dead, small and great, stand before God; and the books were opened: and another book was opened, which is the book of life: and the dead were judged out of those things which were written in the books, according to their works.

13 And the sea gave up the dead which were in it; and death and hell delivered up the dead which were in them: and they were judged every man according to their works.

14 And death and hell were cast into the lake of fire. This is the second death.

15 And whosoever was not found written in the book of life was cast into the lake of fire.

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And then this verse as well:

Hebrews 9:27
And as it is appointed unto men once to die, but after this the judgment:

Otherwise , it is not my rendition, but simply what the Scriptures say or do not say!

Ball is in your court!
 
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One example of the power of choice to change the future.... that may help us to understand is the fact that even the Apostle Paul....... could be hindered by Satan from visiting the people that he wanted to visit when he wanted to visit them????

We think of Paul as being unstoppable... .but he was human like us.


1Thessalonians 2:18
Wherefore we would have come unto you, even I Paul, once and again; but Satan hindered us."

And even Messiah Yeshua - Jesus could be prevented from healing people who he wanted to heal... through their lack of belief.


Matthew 13:58
And he did not many mighty works there because of their unbelief."

This idea just hit me after listening to this after the thirty four minute mark....



Could there be another time line in the future where so much more of the Holy Spirit is poured out that Messiah Yeshua - Jesus faces less and less unbelief there in his hometown????

Could there be another time line in which Paul is able to get to every town that he wants to perhaps due to so much more of the Holy Sprit being poured out in that new time line???

Well the would of could ofs are all things the Bible doesn't declare! Anyone who has visions or dreams, their visions or dreams or prophecies MUST be fenced in by what SCripture says, if SCripture doesn't speak on it- we should not either.

If god wants to do anyof these hypotheticals- He opted not to reveal them to us so it is classified as NUN-YA (meaning none of our business) Just like Jesus told the apostles that it was none of their business as to the time God the Father would restore the kingdom to Israel!
 
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Well the would of could ofs are all things the Bible doesn't declare! Anyone who has visions or dreams, their visions or dreams or prophecies MUST be fenced in by what SCripture says, if SCripture doesn't speak on it- we should not either.

If god wants to do anyof these hypotheticals- He opted not to reveal them to us so it is classified as NUN-YA (meaning none of our business) Just like Jesus told the apostles that it was none of their business as to the time God the Father would restore the kingdom to Israel!


Actually....... two ways of life and two totally different set of consequences were set before the tribes of Israel by the Prophet Moses. All of the prophets specified when some of their visions were conditional upon whether or not the people would repent....... or not.

On at least one occasion Judah repented in part for a little while and released their slaves....... then they took them back....... then the negative prophecies kicked into gear again.

Deuteronomy 30:19

I call heaven and earth to record this day against you, that I have set before you life and death, blessing and cursing: therefore choose life, that both thou and thy seed may live:
 
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13 And the sea gave up the dead which were in it; and death and hell delivered up the dead which were in them: and they were judged every man according to their works.

14 And death and hell were cast into the lake of fire. This is the second death.

15 And whosoever was not found written in the book of life was cast into the lake of fire.

Within these three verses suggest to me that there is some negative and positive judgment at this time. What about those deceived during this lifetime? Will they receive eternal punishment? Is God sadistic?
 
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Actually....... two ways of life and two totally different set of consequences were set before the tribes of Israel by the Prophet Moses. All of the prophets specified when some of their visions were conditional upon whether or not the people would repent....... or not.

On at least one occasion Judah repented in part for a little while and released their slaves....... then they took them back....... then the negative prophecies kicked into gear again.

Deuteronomy 30:19

I call heaven and earth to record this day against you, that I have set before you life and death, blessing and cursing: therefore choose life, that both thou and thy seed may live:

Yes in the eternal covenants God made with Israel, some of the blessings were conditional, but the fact that God has promised Israel a kingdom in the future istrue! Once again creating a fantastical concept based on God giving men choices that there are alternate type universes where other biblical scenarios can work out- is just vain pursuits. Fun to contemplate or make a fictional book or movie- but dangerous to consider it as a real possibility.
 
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Within these three verses suggest to me that there is some negative and positive judgment at this time. What about those deceived during this lifetime? Will they receive eternal punishment? Is God sadistic?

Well in the big picture yes those that survived the millenial kingdom and were saved (because of their faith in Christ) go into eternity to heaven. Those who belled and survived (though th everses suggest otherwise) are lost.

Man is sadistic- God is not!

We either believe the Bible or we don't! We are either followers of Christ (by lifting HIs Word as authoritative) or we are a religionist, adding our or others concepts to the Word of God.

No one can be saved since Pentecost until the end of natural time without placing their trust in Christ. No one. On th is the bible is absolutely clear!

Remember man rebelled against God- not vice versa! Get set forth the way for a man to be redeemed! If we do not accept Christs death and resurrection and Jesus as Lord- we cannot be saved!
 
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Yes in the eternal covenants God made with Israel, some of the blessings were conditional, but the fact that God has promised Israel a kingdom in the future istrue! Once again creating a fantastical concept based on God giving men choices that there are alternate type universes where other biblical scenarios can work out- is just vain pursuits. Fun to contemplate or make a fictional book or movie- but dangerous to consider it as a real possibility.


But the questions I am actually addressing are huge ones!

Does the Ancient of Days the Father truly love our lost loved ones?

Does the Ancient of Days the Father rejoice when even one of them is led to salvation?

Does Messiah Yeshua - Jesus have the technological - spiritual power to replicate the earth as it was on August 8, 1939 and spin off a whole new time line in which the Holocaust on the Jewish people is greatly decreased in intensity so that perhaps five million of the six million Jews who were killed in the Holocaust make it to Israel and have children and grandchildren and great grand children????????? (Could that new time line have allied nations who do NOT turn away the nine hundred and seven Jewish refugees who were turned away from America and then away from Halifax, Nova Scotia, Canada who were on the M. S. St. Louis????? Can we Christians admit that there was a lot more anti-Semitism in Canada and in the USA at that time than we might like to imagine so...... can we imagine our parents, grandparents and fellow citizens from that time period being perhaps in non-linear time.... led to repentance of anti-Semitism????))))

If our answer to the above question is yes.......... then this prepares us to reach out to the lost at this time in a new way because these questions offend many, many potential sheep and lambs.

Previous to his 1985 near death experience Howard Storm was an Atheist largely due to his not being anything like what he saw as a good answer to this by The Church at that time.

Howard Storm :
"I asked how God could let the Holocaust of World War II happen. We were transported to a railway station as a long train of freight cars was being unloaded of its human cargo. The guards were screaming and beating the people into submission. The people were Jewish men, women, and children. Exhausted from hunger and thirst, they were totally disoriented from the ordeal of being rounded up and sent on a long journey to an unknown destination. They believed that they were going to work camps, and that their submission to the brutality of the guards was the only way to survive.

We went to the area where the selection process was taking place and heard the guards talking about "the Angel Maker." We went to the place the guards were referring to as "the Angel Maker," which was a series of ovens. I saw piles of naked corpses being loaded into the ovens, and I began to cry. Jesus said to me, "These are the people God loves." Then he said, "Look up." Rising out of the smoke of the chimneys, I saw hundreds of people being met by thousands of angels taking them up into the sky. There was great joy in the faces of the people, and there appeared to be no trace of a memory of the horrendous suffering they had just endured. How ironic that the guards sarcastically called the ovens "the Angel Maker."

I asked how God could allow this to happen. They told me that this was not God's will. This was an abomination to God. God wants this never to happen again. This was the sacrifice of an innocent people to whom God had given the law to be an example, a light, to the rest of the world. This Holocaust was breaking God's heart. The anguish that Jesus was suffering at the slaughter of his people was too much for me to bear and I begged that we leave this place. I will never forget this: his anguish at this horror and what it represents. This was one of the low points in human history."

I asked, Why does God let things like this happen? They told me that God was very unhappy with the course of human history and was going to intervene to change the world. God had watched us sink to depths of depravity and cruelty at the very time that he was giving us the instruments to make the world a godlier world. God had intervened in the world many times before, but this time God was going to change the course of human events." (Howard Storm, My Descent Into Death, page 42,43)


Rick Joyner, The Call:
The Power of His Word

“You seek to know and walk in My power so that you can heal the sick and perform miracles, but you have not even begun to comprehend the power of My word. To resurrect all the dead who have ever lived on earth will not even cause Me to strain. I uphold all things by the power of My word. The creation exists because of My word, and it is held together by My word.

“Before the end, I will reveal My power on earth. Even so, the greatest power that I have ever revealed on the earth, or ever will, is still a very small demonstration of My power I do not reveal My power to cause men to believe in My power, but to cause men to believe in My love.

“If I had wanted to save the world with My power when I walked the earth, I could have moved mountains by pointing a finger Then all men would have bowed to Me, but not because they loved Me or loved the truth, but because they feared My power I do not want men to obey Me because they fear My power, but because they love Me and love the truth.

“If you do not know My love, then My power will corrupt you. I do not give you love so you can know My power, but I give you power so that you can know My love. The goal of your life must be love, not power Then I will give you power with which to love people. I will give you the power to heal the sick because you love them, and I love them, and I do not want them sick." (Pastor Rick Joyner, The Final Quest and The Call)

So... those of us who come to Messiah Yeshua - Jesus as our Savior during this low energy time line..... .we are in a special place forever but......... we should at least care enough about the lost that we ask questions like this because....... good speculation that is research and well thought out can save some of the lost.

Hosea 4:6

"My people are destroyed for lack of knowledge: because thou hast rejected knowledge, I will also reject thee, that thou shalt be no priest to me: seeing thou hast forgotten the law of thy God, I will also forget thy children."
 
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But the questions I am actually addressing are huge ones!

Does the Ancient of Days the Father truly love our lost loved ones?

Does the Ancient of Days the Father rejoice when even one of them is led to salvation?

Does Messiah Yeshua - Jesus have the technological - spiritual power to replicate the earth as it was on August 8, 1939 and spin off a whole new time line in which the Holocaust on the Jewish people is greatly decreased in intensity so that perhaps five million of the six million Jews who were killed in the Holocaust make it to Israel and have children and grandchildren and great grand children????????? (Could that new time line have allied nations who do NOT turn away the nine hundred and seven Jewish refugees who were turned away from America and then away from Halifax, Nova Scotia, Canada who were on the M. S. St. Louis????? Can we Christians admit that there was a lot more anti-Semitism in Canada and in the USA at that time than we might like to imagine so...... can we imagine our parents, grandparents and fellow citizens from that time period being perhaps in non-linear time.... led to repentance of anti-Semitism????))))

If our answer to the above question is yes.......... then this prepares us to reach out to the lost at this time in a new way because these questions offend many, many potential sheep and lambs.

Previous to his 1985 near death experience Howard Storm was an Atheist largely due to his not being anything like what he saw as a good answer to this by The Church at that time.

Howard Storm :




So... those of us who come to Messiah Yeshua - Jesus as our Savior during this low energy time line..... .we are in a special place forever but......... we should at least care enough about the lost that we ask questions like this because....... good speculation that is research and well thought out can save some of the lost.

Hosea 4:6

"My people are destroyed for lack of knowledge: because thou hast rejected knowledge, I will also reject thee, that thou shalt be no priest to me: seeing thou hast forgotten the law of thy God, I will also forget thy children."

Well I can't answer for Howard Storm or anyone else in their musings about possibilities.

God is only limited to what He chooses to limit Himself to!

Could He spin off alternate universes ? I don't see why not. But the real answer is why? YOu keep asking what ifs that are not answerable by mortal man.

I will give you a silly example. Suppose he spun off 10 different earths on the date of Jan. 1, 2020. Does that mean there are ten of you? Or ten kind of similar to you> Do they all have souls? If nione of you reject Christ, does the tenth get to go to heaven? YOu cannot get answers to these what iofs, so why spend all this time musing on them?

Once again, what is revealed in the word of god is enough to keep us occupied with the what ares instead of the what ifs.
 
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Well I can't answer for Howard Storm or anyone else in their musings about possibilities.

God is only limited to what He chooses to limit Himself to!

Could He spin off alternate universes ? I don't see why not. But the real answer is why? YOu keep asking what ifs that are not answerable by mortal man.

I will give you a silly example. Suppose he spun off 10 different earths on the date of Jan. 1, 2020. Does that mean there are ten of you? Or ten kind of similar to you> Do they all have souls? If nione of you reject Christ, does the tenth get to go to heaven? YOu cannot get answers to these what iofs, so why spend all this time musing on them?

Once again, what is revealed in the word of god is enough to keep us occupied with the what ares instead of the what ifs.


My guess is that yes...... if ten universes that sprang from January 1, 2020 are eventually created then yes.... there would be ten copies of each of us but each of us would be different assuming that more and more and more and more of the Holy Spirit is poured out in each new time line.


Rom 10:1

Brethren, my heart's desire and prayer to God for Israel is, that they might be saved.


Rom 2:4

Or do you despise the riches of His goodness, forbearance, and longsuffering, not knowing that the goodness of God leads you to repentance?


How far will God go to lead us to repentance?
 
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My guess is that yes...... if ten universes that sprang from January 1, 2020 are eventually created then yes.... there would be ten copies of each of us but each of us would be different assuming that more and more and more and more of the Holy Spirit is poured out in each new time line.


Rom 10:1

Brethren, my heart's desire and prayer to God for Israel is, that they might be saved.


Rom 2:4

Or do you despise the riches of His goodness, forbearance, and longsuffering, not knowing that the goodness of God leads you to repentance?


How far will God go to lead us to repentance?

Well if you let Scripture Guide your thinking, you would have teh answer instead of relying on these fanciful theories.

Here are some:

John 3: 36 He that believeth on the Son hath everlasting life: and he that believeth not the Son shall not see life; but the wrath of God abideth on him.

Mt. 7: 13 Enter ye in at the strait gate: for wide is the gate, and broad is the way, that leadeth to destruction, and many there be which go in thereat:

22 Many will say to me in that day, Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in thy name? and in thy name
have cast out devils? and in thy name done many wonderful works?

23 And then will I profess unto them, I never knew you: depart from me, ye that work iniquity.


Hebrews 9:27
And as it is appointed unto men once to die, but after this the judgment:

Not a judgment but the judgment- which is once for all.

Matthew 25:46
And these shall go away into everlasting punishment: but the righteous into life eternal.

No chance to change you rmind with this verse.
 
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IF... my online friend who introduced me to an Agnostic variation of Multiverse Theory was actually explaining to me how Ezekiel 37
could perhaps happen again and again and again and again then I suspect that we could be on the verge of being able to present a powerful case for possible unity between Calvinism and Eventual Universal Salvation...... (or something astonishingly close to it)?

The key to the whole thing is this simple question.........

Is Messiah Yeshua - Jesus sufficiently powerful to take any moment in time since the fall of Adam and Eve and / or even before the fall of Adam....... and spin off more and more and more and more new time lines....... each of which would in my opinion fulfill Ezekiel 37, Revelation 20, Romans 11 and many more troubling Scriptures, (such as it being somehow more tolerable for Sodom and Gomorrah in the "Day of Judgment" than for Capernaum??????

If that would be too much for Messiah Yeshua - Jesus to accomplish... then I guess my theory would be silly???

Oh... in each new time line I assume a higher and then higher and then higher and then higher outpouring of the Holy Spirit / the Love / Light / Truth of G-d on all flesh as predicted in Joel 2.


The fatal flaw of Universalism
I think the multi-verse theory, if anything, could be used to prove Open Theism more than it could be used to prove a type of Universalism.

In Open Theism, alternative timelines could exists as 'possibilities' in the mind of God. So they exist in reality, only they don't exist in physical reality, but once a possibility becomes an actuality, they become a physical reality - so the timeline remains linear backwards but is open with possibilities (multiverse) forwards.

I offer that up for interest, not because I particularly hold this view, but I guess in this part of the forum we can speculate :).
 
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The key to the whole thing is this simple question.........

Is Messiah Yeshua - Jesus sufficiently powerful to take any moment in time since the fall of Adam and Eve and / or even before the fall of Adam....... and spin off more and more and more and more new time lines....... each of which would in my opinion fulfill Ezekiel 37, Revelation 20, Romans 11 and many more troubling Scriptures, (such as it being somehow more tolerable for Sodom and Gomorrah in the "Day of Judgment" than for Capernaum??????
It loses me right off the bat with it's "yellow ness" in asking "is Jesus sufficiently powerful" (I'm sure there's a better word, but yellow journalism is the only thing coming to my mind right now) it's a ploy used to mask flaws. By stating it like that, that it ONLY wouldn't happen if Jesus wasn't powerful enough to make it happen, it manipulates the entire discussion right from the beginning.
It certainly isn't "a simple question"
So, let me ask you a truly simple question.
What is it that makes a soul valuable? Because I think that is the root of everything you are getting at.
 
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I think the multi-verse theory, if anything, could be used to prove Open Theism more than it could be used to prove a type of Universalism.

In Open Theism, alternative timelines could exists as 'possibilities' in the mind of God. So they exist in reality, only they don't exist in physical reality, but once a possibility becomes an actuality, they become a physical reality - so the timeline remains linear backwards but is open with possibilities (multiverse) forwards.

I offer that up for interest, not because I particularly hold this view, but I guess in this part of the forum we can speculate :).

Speculation is always fun and entertaining, but it comes with great danger.

Anytime we allow ourselves to ponder deeply "possibilities" that the Word of God is silent on- we run the risk of becoming enamored with our own musings and with the subtle deceptive help of Satan and his demonic hosts- we can make these less than hypothetical musings become a kind of pseudo doctrine.

When we dare delve into teh realm of thingds the Scriptures do not speak on- we must enter fully armoured to protect ourselves fromn teh wiles of the devil.
 
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Speculation is always fun and entertaining, but it comes with great danger.

Anytime we allow ourselves to ponder deeply "possibilities" that the Word of God is silent on- we run the risk of becoming enamored with our own musings and with the subtle deceptive help of Satan and his demonic hosts- we can make these less than hypothetical musings become a kind of pseudo doctrine.

When we dare delve into teh realm of thingds the Scriptures do not speak on- we must enter fully armoured to protect ourselves fromn teh wiles of the devil.


True... but what is the danger of refusing to engage in speculation that could save the Lost??????

That could inspire them.... because at this time....... a case can be presented that the church is taking care of the one...... and ignoring the ninety nine?????




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If you will listen to this video from the 3:28:00 mark to the 3:36:00 mark you will find something interesting regarding the ninety nine.....

 
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I think the multi-verse theory, if anything, could be used to prove Open Theism more than it could be used to prove a type of Universalism.

In Open Theism, alternative timelines could exists as 'possibilities' in the mind of God. So they exist in reality, only they don't exist in physical reality, but once a possibility becomes an actuality, they become a physical reality - so the timeline remains linear backwards but is open with possibilities (multiverse) forwards.

I offer that up for interest, not because I particularly hold this view, but I guess in this part of the forum we can speculate :).


Also... this idea may be one of the only possible ways to explain why God has allowed hell to be so awful.... assuming that Bill Wiese was in fact a credible witness to hell....... which is what I now think at this time:


Bill Wiese twenty three minutes in hell?

This is only speculation but..... I have wondered if the vision given to Bill Wiese of himself in hell....... could have been himself in another time line in which he lived a truly wealthy life but..................... did not make it into heaven at his death.

That vision of himself in hell..... has him now reaching out to the lost with his whole heart!!!!
 
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True... but what is the danger of refusing to engage in speculation that could save the Lost??????

That could inspire them.... because at this time....... a case can be presented that the church is taking care of the one...... and ignoring the ninety nine?????

The danger would be keeping them from the Truth by distracting them with speculation.
IMO the problem with multiverse theory is there is no truth, because everything is true and everything can't be true, because if it were there would be no truth; everything would be false. For something to be true, it has to be the only possible truth. And the beauty of truth is we can trust it. Trust is huge. There is strength in trust. Without trust, there is no courage.
In a multiverse those things would be nothing, merely symbolic at best.
I see it's allure, a world without courage, truth, trust. We all have things we wish we had not done, things we think "if only this had not happened everything would be different" and it takes a LOT to be a David and take on the world armed with a stone, or a Joshua and say the land is great when all the other scouts said " no, it's too scary"
But, saying "it's too scary" didn't save anyone. Neither did standing around day after day afraid of the giant.
Why not speculate on why the Truth is harder to believe than a universe with an infinite number of lines leading from us all? (Have you read 11/22/63 by S. KIng? It isn't meaningful, just fun)
 
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The danger would be keeping them from the Truth by distracting them with speculation.
IMO the problem with multiverse theory is there is no truth, because everything is true and everything can't be true, because if it were there would be no truth; everything would be false. For something to be true, it has to be the only possible truth. And the beauty of truth is we can trust it. Trust is huge. There is strength in trust. Without trust, there is no courage.
In a multiverse those things would be nothing, merely symbolic at best.
I see it's allure, a world without courage, truth, trust. We all have things we wish we had not done, things we think "if only this had not happened everything would be different" and it takes a LOT to be a David and take on the world armed with a stone, or a Joshua and say the land is great when all the other scouts said " no, it's too scary"
But, saying "it's too scary" didn't save anyone. Neither did standing around day after day afraid of the giant.
Why not speculate on why the Truth is harder to believe than a universe with an infinite number of lines leading from us all? (Have you read 11/22/63 by S. KIng? It isn't meaningful, just fun)


No... I haven't read 11/22/63 yet...... but I look at the possible tie in between Ezekiel 37 with Multiverse Theory very differently ......

In 1975 Dannion Brinkley had a near death experience and was shown over a hundred events from the future......... Over eighty of them took place but then it was like things changed somewhat. Dannion was shown a variation of the Mark of the Beast that has not occurred yet.......... that has been delayed and delayed by at least a decade or so.

BOX 12: Technology & Virus

The 11th box was gone & I was into the 12th box. Its visions addressed an important event in the distant future, the decade of the 90's (remember, this was 1975), when many of the great changes would take place. In this box, I watched as a biological engineer from the Middle East found a way to alter DNA & create a biological virus that would be used in the manufacture of computer chips. This discovery allowed for huge strides in science & technology. Japan, China, & other countries of the Pacific Rim experienced boom times as a result of this discovery & became powers of incredible magnitude. Computer chips produced from this process found their way into virtually every form of technology, from cars & airplanes to vacuum cleaners & blenders.

Before the turn of the century, this man was among the richest in the world, so rich that he had a stranglehold on the world economy. Still the world welcomed him, since the computer chips he had designed somehow put the world on an even keel. Gradually, he succumbed to his own power. He began to think of himself as a deity & insisted on greater control of the world. With that extra control, he began to rule the world.

His method of rule was unique. Everyone in the world was mandated by law to have one of his computer chips inserted underneath his or her skin. This chip contained all of an individual's personal information. If a government agency wanted to know something, all it had to do was scan your chip with a special device. By doing so, it could discover everything about you, from where you worked & lived to your medical records & even what kind of illnesses you might get in the future.

There was an even more sinister side to this chip. A person's lifetime could be limited by programming this chip to dissolve & kill him with the viral substance it was made from. Lifetimes were controlled like this to avoid the cost that growing old places on the government. It was also used as a means of eliminating people with chronic illnesses that put a drain on the medical system. People who refused to have chips implanted in their bodies roamed as outcasts. They could not be employed & were denied government services." (Dannion Brinkley, Saved By The Light, chapter 5)

One possible explanation for this is that what Dannion saw in 1975 was the time line that had already taken place....... but in this time line his twenty five years of teaching people about what near death experiences show us have helped many of us to care more for each other and be more thankful to our Creator for our lives...... which has altered the future that we are in.

If this was a valid other time line.... duplicates of all of us would exist in it..... meaning that our Creator loves us so much that copies of us are made... and each of them can be given eternal life........... and in each new time line many, many, many of the lost are led to salvation who were lost in other time lines.
 
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If this was a valid other time line.... duplicates of all of us would exist in it..... meaning that our Creator loves us so much that copies of us are made... and each of them can be given eternal life........... and in each new time line many, many, many of the lost are led to salvation who were lost in other time lines.
What if our Creator is so Powerful He can save us in one? He doesn't need to make copies.
I wish I could remember my dad and grandma's talks on such things from back in the 70s. I do remember bits about computers, but also something of an outrage over a credit card. It was huge in the 70s, btw, to talk of end times. The cold war was in effect. I was just telling my grandson how when I was his age (16) I had never seen a homeless person, but there were ppl on every street corner with cardboard signs - all announcing the end of the world! I remember them at 11 and younger and wanting to talk to them or just listen, but my parents not letting me.
I guess I could have ventured off the "end of the world" time line and on to the " hungry, please help" one.
Idk how old you are or if you remember back then. It was scary. There were the bald ppl in sheets who passed out flowers and books. They were at the DMV when I went to get my permit. I think they were called moonies.
Anyways. I should be starting dinner, so I just want to tell you two things very briefly. 1. I've had a near death experience. It was very different, which I know proves nothing. 2. After my son died they "thing" God did for me to get me through was... I hesitate to say dream because it wasn't like any other, but I don't know the word so I say dream, of my son. I could feel him holding my hands, and hear him talking. I have 3 sons, and I'm the only one who could tell them apart when they answered the phone, like most mom's. That difference was still in the core of his voice, but there was so much more; layers and layers and layers; uncountable. He talked to me for what seemed like a few hours, but I never knew a single word he said. He was definitely saying words, but his voice was so amazing my brain couldn't get passed it. And, it was enough!
I could write a book on it and not explain it sufficiently. I don't tell many ppl about it. It's very personal. When I went to bed I could still feel my soul torn inside me, and when I woke up it felt whole again.
So, this is what I "know" - if there were other timelines my son would still be on hundreds of them. He was only 28 when he died.
 
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