A Giant Star Is Dimming, Which Could Be a Sign It Is About to Explode

dad said:

You observe stars brightening or dimming or various other things. You assign reasons for this based on the system of beliefs and theories you choose. No one was here or will be (from science) millions of years ago or millions of years from now. It is ALL based on observations that are in a tiny frame of time recently.

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Incorrect, for reasons already provided.

dad said:

You observe stars brightening or dimming or various other things. You assign reasons for this based on the system of beliefs and theories you choose. No one was here or will be (from science) millions of years ago or millions of years from now. It is ALL based on observations that are in a tiny frame of time recently.

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To underscore that point, the dimming and brightening phenomenon might be explained as current flow changes in and around that particular star in EU/PC theory.

jayem said:

The red giant star Betelgeuse (not to be confused with the Michael Keaton movie,) which is in the constellation Orion, has significantly dimmed. Once the 9th brightest star in our view of the galaxy, it is now the 23rd brightest. This could mean that it will explode as a supernova. Actually, this may have already occurred. Betelgeuse is 600 ly from Earth. What we’re observing now happened 6 centuries ago. We’ll know more in the next 600 years.

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Betelgeuse is a well-known variable star, with 6-year and 425-day cycles. Its present decrease in brightness is probably the result of its reaching minimum in both cycles at the same time, rather than a sign that it is on the verge of exploding.

Occams Barber said:

When Orion's belt slips, Orion's pants will fall down and we'll get another huge astronomical display.
OB

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There is already a huge astronomical display below Orion's belt; it is called the Orion nebula, or M42 and M43.

Astrophile said:

Betelgeuse is a well-known variable star, with 6-year and 425-day cycles. Its present decrease in brightness is probably the result of its reaching minimum in both cycles at the same time, rather than a sign that it is on the verge of exploding.

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And how long till we find out if this probability is correct? Was this expected and predicted?

dad said:

It is ALL based on observations that are in a tiny frame of time recently.

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By that definition we could just throw all of science away since we can not reproduce the results after our species has gone extinct.

Brilliant.

dad said:

And how long till we find out if this probability is correct? Was this expected and predicted?

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Probably by February or March; if the present fading is part of the normal light variation, Betelgeuse will brighten again before it gets too close to the Sun to be visible. Even if it is still faint at the beginning of spring, it should be back to within its normal range by the time it reappears next autumn.

dad said:

The trick is whether whatever it does (unexpected as it may be to science) is related to the reasons you think it is doing it.

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I will keep watching Betelgeuse (when we have clear nights) and will let you know what it is doing. At present it appears to be fairly stable at about magnitude 1.3.

Astrophile said:

I will keep watching Betelgeuse (when we have clear nights) and will let you know what it is doing. At present it appears to be fairly stable at about magnitude 1.3.

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OK. But whatever it does will not be predicted since you are simply observing to see what it does. The reasons it will brighten or dim are open for debate also. So is how far away it is and how big it is.

jayem said:

The red giant star Betelgeuse (not to be confused with the Michael Keaton movie,) which is in the constellation Orion, has significantly dimmed. Once the 9th brightest star in our view of the galaxy, it is now the 23rd brightest. This could mean that it will explode as a supernova. Actually, this may have already occurred. Betelgeuse is 600 ly from Earth. What we’re observing now happened 6 centuries ago. We’ll know more in the next 600 years.

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It has likely already exploded, which is why we are measuring spikes in gamma rays enveloping the magnetic hemisphere.

I'm on the side that Betelgeuse (the hand of the central one) will not go nova. It's the joint bone of Orion's archer arm after all. He needs it intact to release His arrows on a would be enemy. If his joint bone exploded he'd be handicapped, no longer be a victorious archer and that just will not do.

All of that aside, the red star is in the constellation that God set in place to last. It and all the others aren't going anywhere.

fwGod said:

All of that aside, the red star is in the constellation that God set in place to last. It and all the others aren't going anywhere.

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We do have quite a firm understanding how the stars die. We have seen supernova explosions. So quite clearly stars are not eternal.

How do stars die?

We have also seen them being born.

https://phys.org/news/2010-06-astronomers-witness-star-born.html

Wikipedia lists 39 potential supernova candidates, including Betelgeuse, four of which are closer than it. IK Pegasis, the nearest, is a mere 150 light years distant. It is a potential Type 1a supernova, in which white dwarves accrete material from a very close companion. Unlike Betelgeuse, however, IK Pegasi is not in danger of imminent* explosion. It will meet its fate in a few million years time.

*With a geologist's mind set, imminent means anything likely to occur in the next 100,000 years or so.

Jonathan Walkerin said:

We do have quite a firm understanding how the stars die. We have seen supernova explosions. So quite clearly stars are not eternal.

How do stars die?

We have also seen them being born.

https://phys.org/news/2010-06-astronomers-witness-star-born.html

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I'm aware that stars have gone supernova, exploded, died and others have been "born" at one time or another.

I'm not talking about those.

This thread OP is regarding the dimming of
Betelgueze in Orion and the idea that it may at some point or has already gone supernova.

But based on scriptures in the Bible I have some confidence that Betelgueze won't because it is among the permanent stars of the Mazzeroth constellations which have a special purpose from God to be signs to us.. and to speak to us (Psalm 19:1-6)

There are Bible teachers such as Chuck Missler who taught about the plan of salvation in the constellation stars, beginning with Virgo and ending with Leo.

fwGod said:

But based on scriptures in the Bible I have some confidence that Betelgueze won't because it is among the permanent stars of the Mazzeroth constellations which have a special purpose from God to be signs to us.. and to speak to us (Psalm 19:1-6)

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So you agree stars die and are born but Betelgueze is divine and eternal because it has a special purpose.....

Sounds rubbish.

fwGod said:

There are Bible teachers such as Chuck Missler who taught about the plan of salvation in the constellation stars, beginning with Virgo and ending with Leo.

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I'm not sure I would place a lot of credence on someone seemingly prone to plagiarism. Are there any denominations, theologians, or prominent churchmen who are supportive of Missler's views on Betelgeuse?

Jonathan Walkerin said:

So you agree stars die and are born but Betelgueze is divine and eternal because it has a special purpose.....

Sounds rubbish.

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I have used the scriptures and given a Bible teacher who teaches it.

What you do with it is up to you, but that doesn't make you right.

Ophiolite said:

I'm not sure I would place a lot of credence on someone seemingly prone to plagiarism.

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Did you read that the incidences were entirely and honestly not intentional, and corrected.

Ophiolite said:

Are there any denominations, theologians, or prominent churchmen who are supportive of Missler's views on Betelgeuse?

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To my knowledge he is a most respected Bible teacher across the board of Christendom.

fwGod said:

Did you read that the incidences were entirely and honestly not intentional, and corrected.

To my knowledge he is a most respected Bible teacher across the board of Christendom.

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“To lose one parent, Mr. Worthing, may be regarded as a misfortune; to lose both looks like carelessness.” Oscar Wilde from The Importance of Being Ernest.

I'm not the most respected anything on the entire planet, yet I have taken care to, at least implicitly and nearly always explicitly, properly attribute any quotations, text, etc, that I have used. I have never been accused of failing to do so. I do this out of respect for the author, the audience and myself. If I were actually to fail do so in a publication, one that people were paying to acquire, I would be mortified. I would take every imaginable step to ensure that such an error was never repeated. Based on the evidence available to me thus far I find Missler's action at best seriously disrespectful and at worst cynically reprehensible.

fwGod said:

To my knowledge he is a most respected Bible teacher across the board of Christendom.

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That's not what I asked you. I repeat are, there any denominations, theologians, or prominent churchmen that support his views on Betelgeuse?