What about tattoos & piercings?
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I have to agree here. I think there are four categories of tattoos.
1/ Some people got them to go along with everyone else,
2/then there are people who get them on a whim
3/ the others get them because they just like them
4/those who get ones that are meaningful to them.
I would think no. 4 would be the best reason if you did get one.
A couple of well thought out tattoos is one thing, but I don't understand the people who have them all over their body, including the neck, hands, legs, arms, feet. Heads as well.
Myself, I'm happy to be a "cleanskin"
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I believe we have to consider what Yeshua would say, when hearing explanations as to why you have permanently marked your skin with images and/or text, that do not reflect the faith, if He has chosen you to be conformed to.
On the whole, it is more for younger people, who want to be noticed, whereas when your an old 'fuddy duddy' like me, (probably more UK than US slang), then you don't want to be noticed, unless it's to reflect Christ, through witnessing. Plus as the wrinkles & drooping flesh come, it rather blurs the images. A lot of the larger tattoos are on the chest or back, & I certainly wouldn't want to show, or be seen disrobed anyway, but each to his own! Maybe when I was younger, I would get a tan at the beach, but I'm more of a Son worshipper than sun worshipper nowadays!
On the whole, it is more for younger people, who want to be noticed, whereas when your an old 'fuddy duddy' like me, (probably more UK than US slang), then you don't want to be noticed, unless it's to reflect Christ, through witnessing. Plus as the wrinkles & drooping flesh come, it rather blurs the images. A lot of the larger tattoos are on the chest or back, & I certainly wouldn't want to show, or be seen disrobed anyway, but each to his own! Maybe when I was younger, I would get a tan at the beach, but I'm more of a Son worshipper than sun worshipper nowadays!
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Fail.
What was it I posted, specifically, that led to that incorrect conclusion? Please, do be fully forthcoming.
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This is going to be a little digressive but I believe those who don't already know what follows will find comfort and joy from the content (and those who do already know the same from the reminder.
Many find the OT case laws punitive or vindictive, and they were when seen through the eyes of the Jewish leaders of Jesus' days incarnate. However, the laws were intended to be restitutional and conciliatory, not retributional and vengeful. This is seen in the two basic categories of punishment: 1) death and 2) restitution. All capital crimes had to be established by two or more witnesses; a single witness was insufficient. All other cases required the wrongdoer to repay what was lost, often with an additional penalty established by the law.
Take, for example, a case in which I borrow your donkey but while plowing the donkey is injured and has to be put down. According to the law I owed you a donkey plus five shekels. If I borrowed you ox and then subsequently broke your ox I then you'd you one ox plus 40 shekels. Why the increased penalty? Because the loss, however temporary, was greater.
This is important because in some cases no restitution is possible. The spouse practicing infidelity cannot give the offended spouse a new heart, one that no longer knows betrayal.
Should I not be able to afford to repay the loss you could simply cancel the debt. I could be shown mercy and forgiven without recompense. This was authority only the offended party possessed; the judge could not cancel the debt. Should you so desire repayment you would take me to the magistrate who would lock me up for the night. The next morning I would be taken to the marketplace and my debt sold; a wealthy person would purchase my debt, pay you the debt owed and I would then be obligated to work off that debt. The rich person, having purchased that debt, was obligated to equip me to do that for which I had been hired (provide tools for the task), feed and house me during the period of time in which I worked off the debt. This was called bond service. This is the term Jesus used in some of his parables and the term Paul used at the opening of his epistles.
Remember that in the OT all debts were canceled every seven years so if my debt were so large it could not be worked off in what might remain of a Jubilee cycle then I stayed in jail but it is worth noting Israel did not have penitentiaries.
Having labored and worked off my debt the rich man would then take me back to the magistrates and declare my debt having been worked off. My debt was forgiven, I now had training in a new trade and could be reconciled not only to the one whose donkey I broke but the entire community, now as an even more productive member of society. This last part was important had I been a thief or had committed wrongdoing not inherently related to work.
Suppose, however, after my term of service I wished to stay in the employ of the rich man? There was then a ritual in which I would voluntarily pledge my lifelong commitment and I would be taken to the doorway of the rich person's house and have my ear pierced with a nail and ring would be place therein.
When people went to the market each day in ancient Israel they not only saw those whose debts were being purchased, they also saw many men wearing earrings, a sign of their voluntary love commitment to the one who had purchased their debt.
So we find the gospel permeated the law, and there are piercings God enshrined therein.
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faroukfarouk
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Putting through multiples is a perfectly valid preference, if wanted.Yes, exactly
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faroukfarouk
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@Heavenhome Your evidently very careful analysis, the clear result of much thought, is wise. The category of what you call no. 4 would probably include the believer that is so gripped by the joy of bearing permanent witness to a Scripture design that he — or equally or even more likely she — in this pursuit feels strongly compelled to force an inking into the dermis, even if it means being prepared to forego being a cleanskin....
4/those who get ones that are meaningful to them.
I would think no. 4 would be the best reason if you did get one. ...
Myself, I'm happy to be a "cleanskin"
You may as you indicated not have a parlor in your locality, but you have clearly given the culture of tasteful and meaningful and witness bearing tattooing a great deal of thought.
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faroukfarouk
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Hi @blackribbon Your comments a while ago about mastectomy patients' tattoos were apt. Are you still in nursing?
The psychological aspect is probably as important as any other.
The psychological aspect is probably as important as any other.
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Here is a very interesting article I thought you’d all be interested in.
Instagram is leading a new tattoo boom as some artists get 70 percent of their clients from the app | Daily Mail Online
Instagram is leading a new tattoo boom as some artists get 70 percent of their clients from the app | Daily Mail Online
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faroukfarouk
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@Chrystal-J Did you see this more recent thread also? and do you think that you are now completely done with getting inked?
It used to be so nearly exclusively a man thing, decades back, but this gradually changed and it's hugely not that way now.
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faroukfarouk
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@sunshineforJesus Not that you necessarily would do it but did you hear of numbing cream, which parlors sometimes use for putting in jewelry (and also doing ink)?
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@Oscarr Oh so you went with her to give her moral support as she received the inking. I'm guessing that if it was a highly recommended place like you say, then she might have had to wait a while for an appointment, because of the likely high demand.
Seems to me that in North America and among many Westerners the client will typically think: "Oh it feels good to be tattooed in order to express my individuality!"
Whereas many Polynesians/Maori maybe think to some extent: "Oh I need to be tattooed in order to express belonging to my cultural group!"; i.e., to assert some kind of collective identity.
(Perhaps I over-simplify; or maybe there is something to it.)
Anyway whichever way your daughter thought, it must have felt a fulfilling experience for her, I guess.
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