How come humans have not evolved into a higher species?

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Who were the first Scientists both modern and ancient world?

Thales was pretty much the first of both. At least ancient Greek scholars considered him so.

The first "modern" scientists were Arabic, notably Al-Khwarizmi. It is from them (through Francis Bacon) that the "scientific method" came to Europe.
 
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Thales was pretty much the first of both. At least ancient Greek scholars considered him so.

The first "modern" scientists were Arabic, notably Al-Khwarizmi. It is from them (through Francis Bacon) that the "scientific method" came to Europe.

Thank You, I asked because I heard the first modern Scientists were Christian. At least, that is what YEC wants us to believe.
 
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The Genesis accounts of origins and human longevity certainly indicate the opposite of what is called evolutionary biology.

The Genesis accounts shouldn't be taken as literal facts. You do that and you end up making the Bible look false.

Also, these threads should be done in where all people can reply. Not just christians. A high % of Christians, like in this site, do not do any research or knowledge gaining so you won't get that much answers to the question.
Try to get this moved so non-christians can reply, maybe they have better insight and material to show.
 
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Who wrote that down as a flood story?
This is in the Kat Kerr book "Reveaing Heaven" chapter 3 we read about Creation Lab. Where people watch in "hologram form" as God created the Original Earth. Also 'significant events' are recorded there for people to learn from. This has to do with the time of the dinosaurs. We know from Science that in the rocky mountains the dinosaur remains are found in flood deposits. WE know that 200 million years ago Pangaea was broken up and this was the beginning o plate technotics. This explains how the Bible uses Archetypes. So Noah's flood is an archetype of the flood that took place 200 million years ago when we see the super continent of Pangaea.



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The Genesis accounts shouldn't be taken as literal facts. You do that and you end up making the Bible look false.
There is NOTHING in Genesis that contradicts Science. All that is contradicted are bad interpretations of the Bible. I have spend 50 years to study science and ancient history and over 40 years to study the Bible. No one has ever been able to show me a contradiction or conflict. I notice you have nothing to back up your claim. Genesis was written around 4,000 years ago. Yet NO ONE has every been able to show us anything in the Bible that is not accurate and true.
 
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Without philosophy science as no ability to solve real world problems
Science solves some problems. God has the answer for every question and the solution for every problem. If man and IF science had more answers and more solutions, then I would serve Science. God has all the answers and all of the solutions we will ever encounter in life and that is why I serve God.
 
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Without philosophy science as no ability to solve real world problems, it would lack cohesion.
Not quite. Math doesn't care about philosophy at all.

We need science to make sure what we think is true and once science confirms it, our philosophy and just how we believe things change. We used to think rains where signs from gods, and people back then formed their reasoning around that belief, but now, because of science we know that rain isn't caused by any entity emotions and is just a natural process that is part of ecology.

You guys who are undermining science when it has proven more things than various religious beliefs through out time, including yours. So your views of what science "looks like" based on it's proposals is a silly statement.
 
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There is NOTHING in Genesis that contradicts Science. All that is contradicted are bad interpretations of the Bible. I have spend 50 years to study science and ancient history and over 40 years to study the Bible. No one has ever been able to show me a contradiction or conflict. I notice you have nothing to back up your claim. Genesis was written around 4,000 years ago. Yet NO ONE has every been able to show us anything in
the Bible that is not accurate and true.

Genesis and Science don't contradict each other at all when people accept the fact that Genesis is not a science book and stop using it to fact check science theories, discoveries, or proven facts. Even with things that seem to be agreed on by Genesis and Science shouldn't be mentioned as if it scores the Bible any legit points. The Quran has more Science facts, does that make it true?

The Bible's truth isn't reliant on scientific confirmation and it isn't to be used to deny it either because the point of the entire Bible isn't made to be a source of knowledge of the natural universe but a set of compiled books that teach about his personal revelation and relationship with man.
 
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Do you really think that would happen again ?
We have natural laws that regulate the Universe (Cosmos) You will always get the same results. The issue is that all of Creation is in a fallen condition. At the end of the 1,000 year reign of Christ there will be a new heaven and a new earth. All of Creation will be restored. Even now God is doing a work to restore us back to His plan and purpose. Even in Psalm 139:16 David tells us that God writes the book of our life before we are even born. Every chapter and every verse. WE have all of our gifts, talents and abilities and we can choose to use what we have to bring Honor and Glory to God. Or we can choose to dishonor God and that determines if WE are going to be saved or not. God will destroy those who destroy the earth. Those who morn over the fallen condition of His creation will be saved. "and said to him, "Go throughout the city of Jerusalem and put a mark on the foreheads of those who grieve and lament over all the detestable things that are done in it." (Ezekiel 9:4) "Slaughter the old men, the young men and maidens, the women and children, but do not go near anyone who has the mark." (6)
 
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Genesis is not a science book and stop using it to fact check science theories, discoveries, or proven facts.
Genesis does an excellent job of fact checking science so we know what is true and accurate. For example
Genesis 2:10, ESV: "A river flowed out of Eden to water the garden, and there it divided and became four rivers." Using Google Earth we can see exactly where those four river were and were Eden was. Yet again new scientific evidence shows us that the Bible is accurate and true.
 
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Genesis does an excellent job of fact checking science so we know what is true and accurate. For example
Genesis 2:10, ESV: "A river flowed out of Eden to water the garden, and there it divided and became four rivers." Using Google Earth we can see exactly where those four river were and were Eden was. Yet again new scientific evidence shows us that the Bible is accurate and true.

No it does not. Your google earth example is silly, why do you need science to confirm something geographic related such as that? This is something that anybody living in that area can determine if they want to say if Eden was assumed to be in their location.

While you are about Genesis fact checking science. Can you post and explain to me Gen 1:3-5?
 
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why do you need science to confirm something geographic related such as that?
Because it is to difficult to identify the ancient river beds without the photos we have from the google satellite. We live in a time when Daniel tells us knowledge shall increase. "But thou, O Daniel, shut up the words, and seal the book, even to the time of the end: many shall run to and fro, and knowledge shall be increased." (Daniel 12:4)
 
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Because it is to difficult to identify the ancient river beds without the photos we have from the google satellite. We live in a time when Daniel tells us knowledge shall increase. "But thou, O Daniel, shut up the words, and seal the book, even to the time of the end: many shall run to and fro, and knowledge shall be increased." (Daniel 12:4)

No. Not for them. Any body who has traveled around the Mesopotamia area, no matter what time, would easily determine there are four rivers. How do you think Maps where made through out the years, especially the maps during the exploration age? The Mississippi River was known to start from Minnesota all the way to Louisiana (in addition to it's basins) before satellites.

Also, please quote and tell me what Gen 1:3-5 is about.
 
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While you are about Genesis fact checking science. Can you post and explain to me Gen 1:3-5?
Yes I can. I do not have a PhD in Physics but I did study the physics of light in college because I was a technical theater student. I worked for the State Ballet company as an electrician on the Lighting crew for 3 years. So I do know a little bit about light. Also I do photography which is all about light. When God SAID: "Let there be light" this has to do with an event Horizon. "In astrophysics, an event horizon is a boundary beyond which events cannot affect an observer." The Hasidic Rabbi do a better job of understanding this compared to the Christians. Infinity is a singularity. Actually God Himself told me in a dream when I was very young about how the universe is expanding and also the universe contracts or crunches. Even the Hubble is able to photograph the light from a very early universe. What is your question? What are you wanting to know?
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Any body who has traveled around the Mesopotamia area, no matter what time, would easily determine there are four rivers.
Yes they have seen ancient river beds for two of the rivers. Now with the photos they can see that Eden is under the Persian Gulf. We see that the Persian Gulf was formed when the Strait of Hormuz gave way at the time of Noah's flood. There was no Persian Gulf before Noah. This is where Eden was. Now the Persian Gulf is know for their Pearls. Just as Jesus tells us about the pearl of great price in the Bible.

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Yes I can. I do not have a PhD in Physics but I did study the physics of light in college because I was a technical theater student. I worked for the State Ballet company as an electrician on the Lighting crew for 3 years. So I do know a little bit about light. Also I do photography which is all about light. When God SAID: "Let there be light" this has to do with an event Horizon. "In astrophysics, an event horizon is a boundary beyond which events cannot affect an observer." The Hasidic Rabbi do a better job of understanding this compared to the Christians. Infinity is a singularity. Actually God Himself told me in a dream when I was very young about how the universe is expanding and also the universe contracts or crunches. Even the Hubble is able to photograph the light from a very early universe. What is your question? What are you wanting to know?
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Don't get ahead of yourself. I never asked for the scientific stuff you just explained. Just post and explain the verse first? :)
 
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Yes they have seen ancient river beds for two of the rivers. Now with the photos they can see that Eden is under the Persian Gulf. We see that the Persian Gulf was formed when the Strait of Hormuz gave way at the time of Noah's flood. There was no Persian Gulf before Noah. This is where Eden was. Now the Persian Gulf is know for their Pearls. Just as Jesus tells us about the pearl of great price in the Bible.

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But we have maps of that land showing those 4 rivers centuries to centuries even before the invention of photography, let alone satellites. Just like I referenced, how do you think people back then, in any age prior to the 20th century, made maps? You've ignored these key points and just chose to presume that the people back in bc couldn't not determine the amount of rivers in their area with out traveling.
 
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This is in the Kat Kerr book "Reveaing Heaven" chapter 3 we read about Creation Lab. Where people watch in "hologram form" as God created the Original Earth. Also 'significant events' are recorded there for people to learn from. This has to do with the time of the dinosaurs. We know from Science that in the rocky mountains the dinosaur remains are found in flood deposits. WE know that 200 million years ago Pangaea was broken up and this was the beginning o plate technotics. This explains how the Bible uses Archetypes. So Noah's flood is an archetype of the flood that took place 200 million years ago when we see the super continent of Pangaea.



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Hi friend, even thou that is interesting, it really does not answer my question. Someone referred a cro-something which would be time wise before a written record of any kind. If there was over a hundred thousand years between events. I do not think we can take seriously anything written over a hundred thousand years after an event as eye witness testimony.
 
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How come humans have not evolved into a higher species?



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Because recorded history is a blip on the map. Besides, evolution is visible in various aspects of humankind.
 
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There is NOTHING in Genesis that contradicts Science. All that is contradicted are bad interpretations of the Bible. I have spend 50 years to study science and ancient history and over 40 years to study the Bible. No one has ever been able to show me a contradiction or conflict. I notice you have nothing to back up your claim. Genesis was written around 4,000 years ago. Yet NO ONE has every been able to show us anything in the Bible that is not accurate and true.

PI is about 3.14159265358979323846… or 22/7.

The Bible defines PI as,

1 Kings 7:23 King James Version (KJV)
And he made a molten sea, ten cubits from the one brim to the other: it was round all about, and his height was five cubits: and a line of thirty cubits did compass it round about.

30/10 = 3

The Bible is not as accurate in this case as modern math. Concerning being true, it is in the ballpark.

off the top of my head another example would be,

Isaiah 40:22 It is he that sitteth upon the circle of the earth, and the inhabitants thereof are as grasshoppers; that stretcheth out the heavens as a curtain, and spreadeth them out as a tent to dwell in:

Fact is, our earth is not a circle. "Our globe, however, is not even a perfect oblate spheroid" Strange but True: Earth Is Not Round

Again, the Bible is in the ballpark, but not accurate. Or is it even in the ballpark?

Look up cosmology ancient in the interpreter's bible dictionary or encyclopedia. Circle of Isaiah would be referring to the dome over the land(earth).

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Bernard Ramm, in Science and Bible made a good case for a local flood.

In short, the Bible is not a science book. It describes things from the viewpoint of appearance of the average person.
 
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