Opinion: On Impeachment

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MSNBC as a source.

My apologies, but the only source less accurate than MSNBC is CNN

Note that wasn't analysis, but facts. Facts are stubborn things. Even if they are said by people you don't like,they still remain facts.

Trump habitually denies knowing people, after they do something disreputable. And there's a lot of them.
 
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Note that wasn't analysis, but facts. Facts are stubborn things. Even if they are said by people you don't like,they still remain facts.

Trump habitually denies knowing people, after they do something disreputable. And there's a lot of them.

facts indeed are stubborn things. That is why you see so many retractions in the media.
 
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facts indeed are stubborn things. That is why you see so many retractions in the media.

It's why we see so many "alternative facts" from Trump and his people.
 
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It's why we see so many "alternative facts" from Trump and his people.

LOL. Ok. We are certainly at an impasse. I will not convince you and you will not convince me.

Gods best to you.
 
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It looks really bad when they tout this as a sad and somber duty, then hand out souvenir pens, smiling, taking selfies and then hold a Parade for the press.
This is just bashing. Bet you didn't complain at all when the House 'paraded' the articles of impeachment to the Senate when it was about Bill Clinton.

Bet you also didn't complain when pens were handed out after important bills or documents were signed by Republicans.
 
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This is just bashing. Bet you didn't complain at all when the House 'paraded' the articles of impeachment to the Senate when it was about Bill Clinton.

Bet you also didn't complain when pens were handed out after important bills or documents were signed by Republicans.

first, this thread isn’t about me personally, I’m sorry you do not like my political stance, but I am free, last I looked to express my opinions. Until then, I think we are instructed when we disagree, address the topic of the thread and not the poster, yes, I believe I read that somewhere. What an individual did or did not do During the Clinton or any other presidency has zero to do with this thread. Thank you.

secondly, the topic of this thread (which is not me), is being spoken of across the news from sources that are from the political spectrum along with several Senators and congress people.

if pointing out a political parties hypocrisy is bash, the forum would have to be closed.
 
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It's fine to disagree with conclusions. Disagreeing with facts, that's not so good.

This is just bashing. Bet you didn't complain at all when the House 'paraded' the articles of impeachment to the Senate when it was about Bill Clinton.

People do what they can, with what they have.
 
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first, this thread isn’t about me personally, I’m sorry you do not like my political stance, but I am free, last I looked to express my opinions

secondly, the topic of this thread (which is not me), is being spoken of across the news from sources that are from the political spectrum along with several Senators and congress people.

if pointing out a political parties hypocrisy is bash, the forum would have to be closed.
Okay - but this thread was started to complain about how the Articles of Impeachment were walked from the House to the Senate and imply this was just a publicity stunt. As if that was unusual for the situation.
It was tradition. It was done when Clinton was impeached. Republicans enjoyed the moment. The press will always film something like that. The Dems did not have to ask for them.

Seems really hypocritical for Republicans to complain about it now when it was done by them before.
 
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This is just bashing. Bet you didn't complain at all when the House 'paraded' the articles of impeachment to the Senate when it was about Bill Clinton.

Bet you also didn't complain when pens were handed out after important bills or documents were signed by Republicans.

Okay - but this thread was started to complain about how the Articles of Impeachment were walked from the House to the Senate and imply this was just a publicity stunt. As if that was unusual for the situation.
It was tradition. It was done when Clinton was impeached. Republicans enjoyed the moment. The press will always film something like that. The Dems did not have to ask for them.

Seems really hypocritical for Republicans to complain about it now when it was done by them before.

Well said.
 
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Okay - but this thread was started to complain about how the Articles of Impeachment were walked from the House to the Senate and imply this was just a publicity stunt. As if that was unusual for the situation.
It was tradition. It was done when Clinton was impeached. Republicans enjoyed the moment. The press will always film something like that. The Dems did not have to ask for them.

Seems really hypocritical for Republicans to complain about it now when it was done by them before.

please show me where the Republican Speaker of the House, During the Clinton impeachment, handed out souvenir pens with his name in them, posed for pictures celebrating the occasion and them had the House Managers diva ceremonial march to the Senate surrounded by the press.
 
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please show me where the Republican Speaker of the House, During the Clinton impeachment, handed out souvenir pens with his name in them, posed for pictures celebrating the occasion and them had the House Managers diva ceremonial march to the Senate surrounded by the press.

The House republicans did that in their own chambers. Remember the for-the-media march on the hearings by House republicans, including some who were on the committee, but never showed up, complaining about being closed out of the process. The rules by which it was being held had been implemented by republicans.

Don't know if they passed out pens, though. Passing out pens was too much for most republicans. Trying to coerce a foreign government to become involved in American elections is one thing, but passing out pens is just horrible behavior. WFTH-I
 
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please show me where the Republican Speaker of the House, During the Clinton impeachment, handed out souvenir pens with his name in them, posed for pictures celebrating the occasion and them had the House Managers diva ceremonial march to the Senate surrounded by the press.
There has been video in the past of presidents signing laws or executive orders using numerous pens and then they get handed out. It wasn't new. It is handing out a piece of history regardless how one views that history.
 
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There has been video in the past of presidents signing laws or executive orders using numerous pens and then they get handed out. It wasn't new. It is handing out a piece of history regardless how one views that history.

Historians will probably be pleased, but in the meantime, some people aren't going to like any more publicity than is absolutely necessary.
 
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Here is an image of the Republicans bringing the Articles of Impeachment for Clinton over to the Senate after the walk:

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There has been video in the past of presidents signing laws or executive orders using numerous pens and then they get handed out. It wasn't new. It is handing out a piece of history regardless how one views that history.

That’s not what I asked. Did they do that for the Clinton impeachment? Can you show the souvenir pens and the photos of them smiling and posing for the occasion?

Here is an image of the Republicans bringing the Articles of Impeachment for Clinton over to the Senate after the walk:

WR981219.07.jpg

Yes, they did deliver them and a photo was made of the event.

got video of the parade to deliver them with the media pool in tow??
 
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Washington (CNN)Former US Ambassador to Ukraine Marie Yovanovitch on Tuesday called for an investigation into the "disturbing" notion that she was under surveillance from associates of the President's personal lawyer, Rudy Giuliani.
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"It's common that terrorists and former communists do this to us. It's appalling and incomprehensible that somebody who is working for the President's personal lawyer would have been doing this to our ambassador," they told CNN.

Marie Yovanovitch calls for investigation into 'disturbing' surveillance as ex-diplomats outraged over her treatment - CNNPolitics
 
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Washington (CNN)Former US Ambassador to Ukraine Marie Yovanovitch on Tuesday called for an investigation into the "disturbing" notion that she was under surveillance from associates of the President's personal lawyer, Rudy Giuliani.
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"It's common that terrorists and former communists do this to us. It's appalling and incomprehensible that somebody who is working for the President's personal lawyer would have been doing this to our ambassador," they told CNN.

Marie Yovanovitch calls for investigation into 'disturbing' surveillance as ex-diplomats outraged over her treatment - CNNPolitics

May I please ask what the post has to do with how the Democratic leadership is handling their actions during the impeachment?
 
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