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Where did you address it? I don't recall seeing it, but I'd love to read it if you wouldn't mind giving me a post # or link.
Sorry, I thought I had addressed your post. I have been addressing so many posts lately.

You said: "In the bolded portion, we get the context in which Jesus invokes the Psalm: to show the Jews who wanted to stone Him that there is precedent in the scriptures for declaring a man to be God, and that He has proven Himself to be so. It was not to say "You are gods, end of story", as though He was simply recalling the verse a propo of nothing."

Yes, I do believe Jesus was recalling the law He gave in Psalms 82:6 when He said ye are Gods. Then He went on to say that the scripture can not be broken. We are indeed Gods in the making. We can achive Godhood and the fullness of God:

(New Testament | Ephesians 3:19)

19 And to know the love of Christ, which passeth knowledge, that ye might be filled with all the fulness of God.

And the stature of Christ:

(New Testament | Ephesians 4:13)

13 Till we all come in the unity of the faith, and of the knowledge of the Son of God, unto a perfect man, unto the measure of the stature of the fulness of Christ:

That is our goal.
 
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We do trust Jesus Christ and God's true prophets.

(New Testament | Ephesians 3:19)

19 And to know the love of Christ, which passeth knowledge, that ye might be filled with all the fulness of God.

and (since you're making the same faulty, unsupported argument again)

We can achive Godhood and the fullness of God:

(New Testament | Ephesians 3:19)

19 And to know the love of Christ, which passeth knowledge, that ye might be filled with all the fulness of God.

And the stature of Christ:

(New Testament | Ephesians 4:13)

13 Till we all come in the unity of the faith, and of the knowledge of the Son of God, unto a perfect man, unto the measure of the stature of the fulness of Christ:

That is our goal.

From his 7th homily on the Epistle to the Ephesians, St. John Chrysostom (d. 407) writes:

"That ye may be filled unto all the fullness of God."

What he means is this. Although the love of Christ lies above the reach of all human knowledge, yet shall you know it, if you shall have Christ dwelling in you, yea, not only shall know from Him this, but shall even "be filled unto all the fullness of God"; meaning by the "fullness of God", either the knowledge how God is worshipped in the Father, the Son, and the Holy Ghost, or else urging them thus to use every effort, in order to be filled with all virtue, of which God is full.

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Hmm...it would seem the early Church itself understood "the fullness of God" to be the full worship of God in the Holy Trinity (a revelation which Mormons utterly reject, to their great distinction from the early Church despite their claim to being its 'restoration'), or the striving by which a Christian may attain virtue, as God is full of virtue.

Once again, the Mormon understanding is simply absent from anything we actually have preserved of what the early Church itself taught, believed, and did.
 
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We do trust Jesus Christ and God's true prophets.

(New Testament | Ephesians 3:19)

19 And to know the love of Christ, which passeth knowledge, that ye might be filled with all the fulness of God.

How do you say you trust Christ, when you don't even trust His Word?

As to true prophets--- Seems like your prophet said something like "who know what kinds of things were written in the Bible" and much worse descriptions as to how bad it was translated. Mormons want to claim they are experts on the Bible that they don't even trust in the first place. "in so far as it is translated correctly"
 
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Sorry, I thought I had addressed your post. I have been addressing so many posts lately.

You said: "In the bolded portion, we get the context in which Jesus invokes the Psalm: to show the Jews who wanted to stone Him that there is precedent in the scriptures for declaring a man to be God, and that He has proven Himself to be so. It was not to say "You are gods, end of story", as though He was simply recalling the verse a propo of nothing."

Yes, I do believe Jesus was recalling the law He gave in Psalms 82:6 when He said ye are Gods. Then He went on to say that the scripture can not be broken. We are indeed Gods in the making. We can achive Godhood and the fullness of God:

(New Testament | Ephesians 3:19)

19 And to know the love of Christ, which passeth knowledge, that ye might be filled with all the fulness of God.

And the stature of Christ:

(New Testament | Ephesians 4:13)

13 Till we all come in the unity of the faith, and of the knowledge of the Son of God, unto a perfect man, unto the measure of the stature of the fulness of Christ:

That is our goal.
You are so obvious in your arguments. you said

Yes, I do believe Jesus was recalling the law He gave in Psalms 82:6 when He said ye are Gods.

We go to the link that you provided which says this

6 I said, Ye are gods, And all of you sons of the Most High.

You are still arguing this gods versus God thing.Moses was judge. The Psalms 82 gods were judges that "would die like men" they were {Psalms 82:7]
 
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(Old Testament | Psalms 82:6)

6 I have said, Ye are gods; and all of you are children of the most High.

(New Testament | John 10:34 - 35)

34 Jesus answered them, Is it not written in your law, I said, Ye are gods?
35 If he called them gods, unto whom the word of God came, and the scripture cannot be broken;

You've been beating this dead horse for so long there is nothing but dust left of him! As you pointed out---the OT was written in Hebrew or Aramaic, the NT in Greek--and it was written by Jews whom God inspired. Whether the word "God" is capitalized or not---the Jews believed there was only One God. Anything inspired was written by faithful Jews, faithful followers of the only true God. They would have never believed that there was any other true, real God. Only the unfaithful would turn to false God's--No writer of the bible--OT or NT would ever even consider that there was any other God. That was the whole point of their faith---there is only ONE God. Anyone who believed otherwise would not have been a writer of the word of God as they would have not been a believer---and that is why the LDS do not believe that this verse means anything other than we are God's---because you are not believers in the One and Only True God. You are unbelievers and believe in many Gods and that we will be Gods. No true followers of God would believe such a thing much less write it in His Word. It breaks the first commandment. It is the LDS that break scripture.
 
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and (since you're making the same faulty, unsupported argument again)



From his 7th homily on the Epistle to the Ephesians, St. John Chrysostom (d. 407) writes:

"That ye may be filled unto all the fullness of God."

What he means is this. Although the love of Christ lies above the reach of all human knowledge, yet shall you know it, if you shall have Christ dwelling in you, yea, not only shall know from Him this, but shall even "be filled unto all the fullness of God"; meaning by the "fullness of God", either the knowledge how God is worshipped in the Father, the Son, and the Holy Ghost, or else urging them thus to use every effort, in order to be filled with all virtue, of which God is full.

+++

Hmm...it would seem the early Church itself understood "the fullness of God" to be the full worship of God in the Holy Trinity (a revelation which Mormons utterly reject, to their great distinction from the early Church despite their claim to being its 'restoration'), or the striving by which a Christian may attain virtue, as God is full of virtue.

Once again, the Mormon understanding is simply absent from anything we actually have preserved of what the early Church itself taught, believed, and did.
Paul was aware that he could receive the high calling of God after being perfected:

(New Testament | Philippians 3:12 - 15)

12 Not as though I had already attained, either were already perfect: but I follow after, if that I may apprehend that for which also I am apprehended of Christ Jesus.
13 Brethren, I count not myself to have apprehended: but this one thing I do, forgetting those things which are behind, and reaching forth unto those things which are before,
14 I press toward the mark for the prize of the high calling of God in Christ Jesus.
15 Let us therefore, as many as be perfect, be thus minded: and if in any thing ye be otherwise minded, God shall reveal even this unto you.
 
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How do you say you trust Christ, when you don't even trust His Word?

As to true prophets--- Seems like your prophet said something like "who know what kinds of things were written in the Bible" and much worse descriptions as to how bad it was translated. Mormons want to claim they are experts on the Bible that they don't even trust in the first place. "in so far as it is translated correctly"
We know that there are problems with the Bible. At times it contradicts itself:

(Old Testament | Numbers 23:19)

19 God is not a man, that he should lie; neither the son of man, that he should repent: hath he said, and shall he not do it? or hath he spoken, and shall he not make it good?

(Old Testament | Jonah 3:10)

10 ¶ And God saw their works, that they turned from their evil way; and God repented of the evil, that he had said that he would do unto them; and he did it not.
 
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You are so obvious in your arguments. you said

Yes, I do believe Jesus was recalling the law He gave in Psalms 82:6 when He said ye are Gods.

We go to the link that you provided which says this

6 I said, Ye are gods, And all of you sons of the Most High.

You are still arguing this gods versus God thing.Moses was judge. The Psalms 82 gods were judges that "would die like men" they were {Psalms 82:7]
He was NOT talking about judges. Jesus proved this when He was on the earth and reiterated what he had said.
 
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Repent for one of us is repenting and then going the other way as a man should be trying to get right with God.

(Old Testament | Numbers 23:19)

19 God is not a man, that he should lie; neither the son of man, that he should repent: hath he said, and shall he not do it? or hath he spoken, and shall he not make it good?

Repent for God is to abstain from His Judgements

(Old Testament | Jonah 3:10)

10 ¶ And God saw their works, that they turned from their evil way; and God repented of the evil, that he had said that he would do unto them; and he did it not.

Would you not wish that God would repent of His Judgment toward you if you had one unaccounted- for sin in the End?

 
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You've been beating this dead horse for so long there is nothing but dust left of him! As you pointed out---the OT was written in Hebrew or Aramaic, the NT in Greek--and it was written by Jews whom God inspired. Whether the word "God" is capitalized or not---the Jews believed there was only One God. Anything inspired was written by faithful Jews, faithful followers of the only true God. They would have never believed that there was any other true, real God. Only the unfaithful would turn to false God's--No writer of the bible--OT or NT would ever even consider that there was any other God. That was the whole point of their faith---there is only ONE God. Anyone who believed otherwise would not have been a writer of the word of God as they would have not been a believer---and that is why the LDS do not believe that this verse means anything other than we are God's---because you are not believers in the One and Only True God. You are unbelievers and believe in many Gods and that we will be Gods. No true followers of God would believe such a thing much less write it in His Word. It breaks the first commandment. It is the LDS that break scripture.
If you understood the scriptures correctly you would realize that God the Father is our God and Father also the God and Father of Jesus Christ:

(New Testament | 1 Corinthians 8:5 - 6)

5 For though there be that are called gods, whether in heaven or in earth, (as there be gods many, and lords many,)
6 But to us there is but one God, the Father, of whom are all things, and we in him; and one Lord Jesus Christ, by whom are all things, and we by him.

(New Testament | John 20:17)

17 Jesus saith unto her, Touch me not; for I am not yet ascended to my Father: but go to my brethren, and say unto them, I ascend unto my Father, and your Father; and to my God, and your God.
 
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Repent for one of us is repenting and then going the other way as a man should be trying to get right with God.

(Old Testament | Numbers 23:19)

19 God is not a man, that he should lie; neither the son of man, that he should repent: hath he said, and shall he not do it? or hath he spoken, and shall he not make it good?

Repent for God is to abstain from His Judgements

(Old Testament | Jonah 3:10)

10 ¶ And God saw their works, that they turned from their evil way; and God repented of the evil, that he had said that he would do unto them; and he did it not.

Would you not wish that God would repent of His Judgment toward you if you had one accounted- for sin in the End?
God does NOT repent.

(Old Testament | Jonah 3:10)

10 ¶ And God saw their works, that they turned from their evil way; and repented; and God turned away the evil that he had said he would bring upon them.
 
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Yes God does judge among the Gods. And Jesus made it perfectly clear that He was talking about Gods and not judges:

(New Testament | John 10:34 - 35)

34 Jesus answered them, Is it not written in your law, I said, Ye are gods?
35 If he called them gods, unto whom the word of God came, and the scripture cannot be broken;

The Greek word for Gods can only mean Gods and nothing else.
 
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Yes God does judge among the Gods. And Jesus made it perfectly clear that He was talking about Gods and not judges:

(New Testament | John 10:34 - 35)

34 Jesus answered them, Is it not written in your law, I said, Ye are gods?
35 If he called them gods, unto whom the word of God came, and the scripture cannot be broken;

The Greek word for Gods can only mean Gods and nothing else.

So why does you verse still say "Ye are gods", if in the next post you said you corrected the verse?

I would be careful about being a Mormon and claiming you can correct scripture.
 
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If you understood the scriptures correctly you would realize that God the Father is our God and Father also the God and Father of Jesus Christ:

(New Testament | 1 Corinthians 8:5 - 6)

5 For though there be that are called gods, whether in heaven or in earth, (as there be gods many, and lords many,)
6 But to us there is but one God, the Father, of whom are all things, and we in him; and one Lord Jesus Christ, by whom are all things, and we by him.

(New Testament | John 20:17)

17 Jesus saith unto her, Touch me not; for I am not yet ascended to my Father: but go to my brethren, and say unto them, I ascend unto my Father, and your Father; and to my God, and your God.

As usual, this in no way addresses what I said. The Father, Son and Holy Ghost are One. At creation, all were one---with Jesus as the Creator. Yes, we do understand God. CORRECTLY. And Lucifer was created by Jesus---Jesus is not the brother to Jesus. Lucifer is an angel---he is not human. Neither are any of the angels. All created beings. None are divine, non are immortal. Saved angels and saved humans are given immortality as a gift from God. The fallen will one day be destroyed, and sin will be no more. UNLIKE YOUR GOD WHO PERPETUATES SIN FOR ETERNITY. EVERY HUMAN MAN THAT REACHES EXALTATION WILL HAVE THEIR OWN PLANET TO POPULATE AND THEN HAVE TO SAVE FROM SIN AND ON AND ON---AN ENDLESS PERPETUATION OF SIN. HOW HORRIBLE TO WANT THAT KIND OF GOD. Why do you want sin to keep going forever? Our God will put an end to it--forever.
 
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So why does you verse still say "Ye are gods", if in the next post you said you corrected the verse?

I would be careful about being a Mormon and claiming you can correct scripture.
This is the corrected verse:

(Old Testament | Jonah 3:10)

10 ¶ And God saw their works, that they turned from their evil way; and repented; and God turned away the evil that he had said he would bring upon them.

God does not repent.
 
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As usual, this in no way addresses what I said. The Father, Son and Holy Ghost are One. At creation, all were one---with Jesus as the Creator. Yes, we do understand God. CORRECTLY. And Lucifer was created by Jesus---Jesus is not the brother to Jesus. Lucifer is an angel---he is not human. Neither are any of the angels. All created beings. None are divine, non are immortal. Saved angels and saved humans are given immortality as a gift from God. The fallen will one day be destroyed, and sin will be no more. UNLIKE YOUR GOD WHO PERPETUATES SIN FOR ETERNITY. EVERY HUMAN MAN THAT REACHES EXALTATION WILL HAVE THEIR OWN PLANET TO POPULATE AND THEN HAVE TO SAVE FROM SIN AND ON AND ON---AN ENDLESS PERPETUATION OF SIN. HOW HORRIBLE TO WANT THAT KIND OF GOD. Why do you want sin to keep going forever? Our God will put an end to it--forever.
Yes the Father Son and Holy Ghost are one in perfection as per Jesus Christ:

(New Testament | John 17:21 - 23)

21 That they all may be one; as thou, Father, art in me, and I in thee, that they also may be one in us: that the world may believe that thou hast sent me.
22 And the glory which thou gavest me I have given them; that they may be one, even as we are one:
23 I in them, and thou in me, that they may be made perfect in one; and that the world may know that thou hast sent me, and hast loved them, as thou hast loved me.

God created this earth for His own purpose. It was to test us:

(Old Testament | Deuteronomy 5:32)

32 Ye shall observe to do therefore as the LORD your God hath commanded you: ye shall not turn aside to the right hand or to the left.

(Old Testament | Deuteronomy 6:24 - 25)

24 And the LORD commanded us to do all these statutes, to fear the LORD our God, for our good always, that he might preserve us alive, as it is at this day.
25 And it shall be our righteousness, if we observe to do all these commandments before the LORD our God, as he hath commanded us.

(Old Testament | Ecclesiastes 12:13 - 14)

13 ¶ Let us hear the conclusion of the whole matter: Fear God, and keep his commandments: for this is the whole duty of man.
14 For God shall bring every work into judgment, with every secret thing, whether it be good, or whether it be evil.
 
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