Is it Biblical for the death penalty to still apply today?

Monksailor · Jun 23, 2019

Just in case someone missed the subtle, yet very significant implication in my previous post: Jesus, God the Son, Creator and Sustainer of ALL, the Lord and Savoir and Teacher and... of ALL Christians, who was falsely accused and wrongfully sentenced to death did not again, as with the adulterous woman incident, fight or resist the "wrong" as some see of capital punishment; BOTH very opportunistic times to teach us regarding any wrong or obsolescent perspective our Lord might have had (have) regarding capital punishment. RATHER, our Lord, God, supported capital punishment by submitting to it Himself by which, even though wrongfully sentenced, He earned our escape from eternal damnation and a beloved child relationship with the Creator of the universe through such a deplorable act.

Beanieboy · Jan 15, 2020

Monksailor said:
Yes, Jesus forgave, BUT only those who repented of their sin and believed in Him. Regarding the woman caught in adultery and the stoning to death which was beginning people ignore the fact that Jesus did NOT say or imply that the punishment of death was wrong or obsolete. ALSO, people quickly forget that after Jesus forgave He COMMANDED her to go and not to repeat that sin again, ever..

Why did you omit this part?
10 Jesus straightened up and asked her, “Woman, where are they? Has no one condemned you?”

“No one, sir,” she said.

Then neither do I condemn you,” Jesus declared. “Go now and leave your life of sin.”

You omitted that a) Jesus did not condemn her, and b) there was one person there without sin, Christ, who could have picked up the stone and throw it first. He didn't.

Beanieboy · Jan 15, 2020

Monksailor said:
Just in case someone missed the subtle, yet very significant implication in my previous post: Jesus, God the Son, Creator and Sustainer of ALL, the Lord and Savoir and Teacher and... of ALL Christians, who was falsely accused and wrongfully sentenced to death did not again, as with the adulterous woman incident, fight or resist the "wrong" as some see of capital punishment; BOTH very opportunistic times to teach us regarding any wrong or obsolescent perspective our Lord might have had (have) regarding capital punishment. RATHER, our Lord, God, supported capital punishment by submitting to it Himself by which, even though wrongfully sentenced, He earned our escape from eternal damnation and a beloved child relationship with the Creator of the universe through such a deplorable act.

Shall we start with executing people who takes God's name in vain, people working on the Sabbath, or rebellious children? Will anyone be left?

Schlauch Mann · Jan 18, 2020

Beanieboy said:
Why did you omit this part?
10 Jesus straightened up and asked her, “Woman, where are they? Has no one condemned you?”

“No one, sir,” she said.

Then neither do I condemn you,” Jesus declared. “Go now and leave your life of sin.”

You omitted that a) Jesus did not condemn her, and b) there was one person there without sin, Christ, who could have picked up the stone and throw it first. He didn't.

During His earthly ministry, Jesus wasn't part of a governing body that had authority to execute people.

Also notice that the text tells us this was a deliberate attempt to trap Jesus. It doesn't come right out and say what exactly the trap is, but we know something fishy is going on. There are potential clues, though. For one, where is the man? She was caught "in the act". Mosaic Law said BOTH were to be executed, but they only brought the woman. Further, the Jews couldn't execute anyone without Roman approval, which the text never says they had. So, the Jews' actions here are questionable at best, making it seem like executing the woman wouldn't have even been legal in the first place.

Shall we start with executing people who takes God's name in vain, people working on the Sabbath, or rebellious children? Will anyone be left?

Why would we kill people for that? We don't follow the old covenant. We follow the new, which puts the authority to execute in the hands of the government.

steve78 · Jan 23, 2020

Schlauch Mann said:
Why would we kill people for that? We don't follow the old covenant. We follow the new, which puts the authority to execute in the hands of the government.

The government should have no authority, Execution is often a political tool to persecute groups of people it dosen't like or to silence political enemies.

Your three times more likely to get executed for a crime in the US if your black, gay or poor.

Another problem it's takes so long to execute people. Some people serve around 20 years plus on death row.

When we hung people in England, it would be done within three weeks.

SkyWriting · Jan 23, 2020

steve78 said:
The government should have no authority, Execution is often a political tool to persecute groups of people it dosen't like or to silence political enemies.

Your three times more likely to get executed for a crime in the US if your black, gay or poor.

Another problem it's takes so long to execute people. Some people serve around 20 years plus on death row.

When we hung people in England, it would be done within three weeks.

The government is not well liked in England, for some reason.

steve78 · Jan 24, 2020

SkyWriting said:
The government is not well liked in England, for some reason.

What's to like about Trump mate. He is everything that wrong and bad with humanity.

Francis Drake · Jan 24, 2020

Maria Billingsley said:
"Render unto Caesar what is Caesar's and render unto God what is God's". Though I am against the death penalty, as are many states across our country, if it is the law then it is the penalty rendered by that state. If you are against it you can vote it out if it comes up. Jesus did not kill any sinner. He forgave them.

Jesus is the God who is manifest throughout the Old Covenant, and as such condemned many to death. Judgement under the law is still applicable and Jesus never cancelled its application to criminals.

steve78 · Jan 24, 2020

Francis Drake said:
Jesus is the God who is manifest throughout the Old Covenant, and as such condemned many to death. Judgement under the law is still applicable and Jesus never cancelled its application to criminals.

One of the 10 commandments says it wrong to kill. It's wrong to kill criminals, its wrong to take any form of human life period.

yeshuaslavejeff · Jan 24, 2020

David_AB said:
There are some OT laws that are supposed to have been replaced by the new covenant but is the death penalty one of them?

I think the death penalty is the subject or the object or the responsibility of secular governments,
not of Ekklesia assemblies.
(remember we, Ekklesia, are being put to death daily ! )

Francis Drake · Jan 25, 2020

steve78 said:
One of the 10 commandments says it wrong to kill. It's wrong to kill criminals, its wrong to take any form of human life period.

The Hebrew words and context make it clear it refers to murder, not judicial execution.
There are many places in the OT law where execution of criminals is commanded.

Jaxxi · Jan 29, 2021

David_AB said:
There are some OT laws that are supposed to have been replaced by the new covenant but is the death penalty one of them?

Yes. We as a society must continue the death penalty for the worst of the worst. When the crimes are so terribly horrific that we do not have the means to punish these people accordingly then we put them to death to let God serve justice on them.

RCrihfield · Jun 14, 2021

steve78 said:
My understanding of the bible that is simply wrong (sinful) for anybody to kill another person. God alone has the right to initiate or terminate life.

Therefore the death penalty is wrong and anybody who supports or involved in capital punishment is commiting a sin.

And Paul tells us that GOD institutes government as His ministers to do that very thing. Can a government act wrongly in how it applies justice? You bet, and those responsible will pay for betraying their duties (either way, too harsh or too lenient)

Don't confuse murder with judgment. You have no right to vengence. That is God's purview. And He exercises that purview through goverments.

That is what the bible tells us.

Paradox.79 · Jun 27, 2021

I am against the death penalty, the reasoning is simple. We imprison thousands of innocent people each year. If someone is in prison and you find out they are innocent you can let them go. If you execute someone who is innocent you can not bring them back.

David_AB · Jun 27, 2021

Paradox.79 said:
I am against the death penalty, the reasoning is simple. We imprison thousands of innocent people each year. If someone is in prison and you find out they are innocent you can let them go. If you execute someone who is innocent you can not bring them back.

Depends what the death penalty is for.
I haven't known of any serial killers to be wrongly convicted.
If there is then the law can be tweaked.

Paradox.79 · Jun 27, 2021

David_AB said:
Depends what the death penalty is for.
I haven't known of any serial killers to be wrongly convicted.
If there is then the law can be tweaked.

David since the introduction of DNA evidence not 1 or 10 or 20 or 50 but hundreds if not thousands by now who were serving 20 to life or were on death row have been exonerated. Our system is flawed and because it is flawed the death penalty should not be in place. A wise man said it is better for 10 guilty men to go free than for one innocent to punished

David_AB · Jun 27, 2021

Paradox.79 said:
David since the introduction of DNA evidence not 1 or 10 or 20 or 50 but hundreds if not thousands by now who were serving 20 to life or were on death row have been exonerated. Our system is flawed and because it is flawed the death penalty should not be in place. A wise man said it is better for 10 guilty men to go free than for one innocent to punished

Yes that was before DNA technology.
Starting today how many would be wrongly convicted?
We don't have many serial killers in the UK and I'm not aware of any that have been wrongly convicted.

Jaxxi · Jun 27, 2021

Paradox.79 said:
I am against the death penalty, the reasoning is simple. We imprison thousands of innocent people each year. If someone is in prison and you find out they are innocent you can let them go. If you execute someone who is innocent you can not bring them back.

With tools of DNA and solid evidence it is pretty easy to determine guilt and no one should be executed without DNA evidence. In cases such as the recent one where police found that the guy had killed his parents and they found his mothers head on the stove in a pot or the recent one in Spain where the man killed his mother and ate her, her body not completely consumed as they found a lot of it or the case where the man admitted to raping a 7 year old girl and buried her alive while she clutched her stuffed unicorn and they found his DNA inside her or the case of the man who killed his mother, beheaded her and then sodomized her dead corpse- these cases deserve the death penalty because these people took innocent life in such a heinous manner that their eternal judgement should be expedited. They need to meet their fate immediately and have lost the gift to breath by doing inhumane acts and ruining peoples lives. I feel that after doing such unspeakable acts one no longer deserves the right to enjoy a meal or read a book or enjoy anything life has to offer while their victims blood screams from the earth for justice. No the Bible says there are crimes that punishable by being stoned to death and if that is good enough for God than we should uphold what He says when their is solid proof of their guilt. The fact that He gave us the means through science to eliminate innocent people from being executed helps us to know that the people who are being executed are 100% guilty of the crimes they are accused of.

Jaxxi · Jun 27, 2021

RCrihfield said:
And Paul tells us that GOD institutes government as His ministers to do that very thing. Can a government act wrongly in how it applies justice? You bet, and those responsible will pay for betraying their duties (either way, too harsh or too lenient)

Don't confuse murder with judgment. You have no right to vengence. That is God's purview. And He exercises that purview through goverments.

That is what the bible tells us.

There are certain crimes in the Bible that are punishable by death and it is the community who is to end their lives right? Not like vigilante justice but like community stoning after being found guilty. God instructs us to do that. I feel that is so that He can impose His sentence on them. They have abused their gift of life and no longer get to have it.

Paradox.79 · Jun 30, 2021

Jaxxi said:
With tools of DNA and solid evidence it is pretty easy to determine guilt and no one should be executed without DNA evidence. In cases such as the recent one where police found that the guy had killed his parents and they found his mothers head on the stove in a pot or the recent one in Spain where the man killed his mother and ate her, her body not completely consumed as they found a lot of it or the case where the man admitted to raping a 7 year old girl and buried her alive while she clutched her stuffed unicorn and they found his DNA inside her or the case of the man who killed his mother, beheaded her and then sodomized her dead corpse- these cases deserve the death penalty because these people took innocent life in such a heinous manner that their eternal judgement should be expedited. They need to meet their fate immediately and have lost the gift to breath by doing inhumane acts and ruining peoples lives. I feel that after doing such unspeakable acts one no longer deserves the right to enjoy a meal or read a book or enjoy anything life has to offer while their victims blood screams from the earth for justice. No the Bible says there are crimes that punishable by being stoned to death and if that is good enough for God than we should uphold what He says when their is solid proof of their guilt. The fact that He gave us the means through science to eliminate innocent people from being executed helps us to know that the people who are being executed are 100% guilty of the crimes they are accused of.

Not always...do not get me wrong I am not saying a killer should not be put down...but even dna is not 100% there have been a few that Dna was wrong...there is rarely 100%. And honestly the cost of executing someone is more expensive than keeping them in prison. And I would rather be executed than spending my life locked in a cage for the rest of my life.

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