Sen. Paul : I think the Bidens are corrupt

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Just as New York Times ran 1100+ fake stories about proof that Russia colluded with Trump and led tens of thousands of fake stories of similar quality and integrity across the mainstream media, so too we have seen stories attempting exonerate Biden and Son sans any evidentiary examination.

Attacks on real reporting, false reports about there being nothing to see by reporters who didn't interview a soul and delete the reported money laundering investigation from Latvia, and tell us there was no ongoing investigation in 2016, which is an outright lie Rueters!

Facts deleted from most news accounts:

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The Latvian law enforcement memo identified a series of loan payments totaling about $16.6 million that were routed from companies in Beliz and the United Kingdom to Burisma through Ukraine’s PrivatBank between 2012 and 2015.

The flagged funds were “partially transferred” to Hunter Biden, a board member at Burisma since May 2014, and three other officials working for the Ukrainian natural gas company, the Latvian memo said.

The letter asked Ukrainian officials for any evidence about whether the funds were involved in corruption and whether Ukrainian officials were investigating Burisma and the recipients of the money.

“On the grounds of possible legalization of proceeds derived from criminal activity and corruption, please grant us permission to share the information included in the reply to this request with Latvian law enforcement entities for intelligence purposes only,” the letter said.

Arturs Saburovs, the Third Secretary at the Latvian embassy in Washington, confirmed his country flagged the transactions in February 2016 after seeing public reports that Burisma was under investigation in Ukraine and that Hunter Biden served on the company’s board. He said Latvia did not receive any evidence back from Ukraine to further its investigation."

Hunter is at the center of a money laundering scheme when being investigated.

He starts calling his father and contacts at state to help stop investigation. His partner gets a meeting with John Kerry, (seems reasonable after all any of us could get a similar meeting right)?
Then Joe goes over to blackmail the Ukrainian President if he doesn't Fire the prosecutor that is investigating the money laundering and tax evasion Biden won't release the money owed to Ukraine. Maybe blackmail isn't the right word, hmm, extortion? Bribery? Influence peddling seems a little tame, quid pro quo seems to too tame as well. We will stay with extortion!

And as for President Obma's involvement, "Just call him."

Joe's testimony is clear, he has run the extortion plan up the latter to his boss and received approval!

Yet the corrupt media keep churning out the fake news attempting to cover it all up.
 
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The Bidens have absolutely nothing to do with the charges against Trump, except as potential "victims" who were "targeted" because of a disproven fantasy of Trump's that they had been involved in wrongdoing.

Perhaps in Trump's fevered imagination bribing foreign nations to investigate his political enemies is a form of self-defense? Is that what the Trump defense is going to be?

"Members of Congress, I was just engaging in self-defense. Biden is trying to depose me. I had to take action!"

Hoping against hope that the Senate can differentiate between paranoia and self-defense,
 
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The Bidens have absolutely nothing to do with the charges against Trump, except as potential "victims" who were "targeted"




because of a disproven fantasy of Trump's that they had been involved in wrongdoing.

Perhaps in Trump's fevered imagination bribing foreign nations to investigate his political enemies is a form of self-defense? Is that what the Trump defense is going to be?

"Members of Congress, I was just engaging in self-defense. Biden is trying to depose me. I had to take action!"

Hoping against hope that the Senate can differentiate between paranoia and self-defense,

The Bidens are what this thread is about.
For those that think they are innocent
don't you wish you had a job that paid
85 grand a year for doing Next To Nothing?

Sound to me to be
one of the biggest bribes I've ever heard of.

M-Bob
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Eric Trump: Reports that Joe's brother 'leveraged' family name show 'the Bidens are a business'

Reports that Joe Biden's brother "leveraged" the family name for personal gain, coming months after similar allegations against the former vice president's son Hunter, are proof the famous Delaware family is "a business," Eric Trump said Friday.

Frank Biden, according to the network, earned "hundreds of thousands of dollars over a five-year period," and "unabashed[ly]" touted his last name as a "tremendous asset," and claimed that Bidens "tak[e] care of people who need help." The charter school organization, ABC reported, was later hit by "claims of mismanagement."

Turning to the former vice president's own career, Trump remarked that Joe Biden served in the Senate for more years than Eric Trump has been alive. Biden, a New Castle County councilman in 1972, defeated Sen. J. Caleb Boggs, R-Del., and served in the Senate until around the time of President Obama's 2009 inauguration.
 
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Maher says Bidens will become the 'bigger scandal' if they testify, Lev Parnas 'not credible'

Maher says Bidens will become the 'bigger scandal' if they testify, Lev Parnas 'not credible'
By Joseph A. Wulfsohn | Fox News

"Real Time" host Bill Maher returned Friday night after a holiday break and weighed in on potential witnesses in the Senate impeachment trial of President Trump, including the possibility of former Vice President Joe Biden and his son Hunter Biden being brought in to testify -- as well as Rudy Giuliani associate Lev Parnas.

Maher said that Democrats who've been pushing for witness testimony at the trial -- from the likes of former national security adviser John Bolton, for example -- could find themselves facing unintended consequences.

"How about this question: Could it backfire, witnesses?" Maher asked during the show's panel segment. "Because then [doesn't] Trump get to call Biden and his ne'er-do-well son?"
 
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The Bidens are what this thread is about.
For those that think they are innocent
don't you wish you had a job that paid
85 grand a year for doing Next To Nothing?

Sound to me to be
one of the biggest bribes I've ever heard of.

M-Bob
M-Bob
Wasn't that 85 Grand a month or around 1 Million a year?
 
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Wasn't that 85 Grand a month or around 1 Million a year?

Yes, the Bible states that
the love of money
is the root of all evil.

Earning that amount for doing next to nothing
sounds like a whole lot of love
for a whole lot of money.

Anyone who states that the Bidens have done nothing wrong are just fooling themselves or just trying to fool others.

Look -- there's a wall
see the writing on the wall?
You say no?
Just a suggestion -- open your eyes.

M-Bob
 
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Lots of high paid consultants make lots of money. Hunter Biden should not have taken the assignment because of "appearances." John Kerry's son, one of his partners, told him to avoid it.
But the fact is that it did NOT cause his father, VP Biden, to participate in corruption. He went to Ukraine as an emissary for President Obama, following HIS orders, with the blessings of their NATO allies, and did exactly what he was sent to do--get a very corrupt prosecutor fired.
And once again, the Bidens had NOTHING to do with Trump's actions in July, 2016. They were "victims" who were being "targeted" by a very powerful and evil man. Being a victim is no crime. The criminal is the victimizer. (You can fill in the blank...)
 
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The Bidens have absolutely nothing to do with the charges against Trump, except as potential "victims" who were "targeted" because of a disproven fantasy of Trump's that they had been involved in wrongdoing.

Perhaps in Trump's fevered imagination bribing foreign nations to investigate his political enemies is a form of self-defense? Is that what the Trump defense is going to be?

"Members of Congress, I was just engaging in self-defense. Biden is trying to depose me. I had to take action!"

Hoping against hope that the Senate can differentiate between paranoia and self-defense,
Same fake news media that claimed Solomon's story was false claimed that FISA abuse by Devon Nunes investigation was also false, how'd that turn out (over 50 violations)? Truth was worse that even what Nunes discovered. So too is Biden corruption.

Biden's corruption and trump's investigation of same and DNC corruption in Ukraine are the topic.

But wait, that is not all. We now know that Hunter was only one of five Biden's to become rich through influence peddling in 2009-2016. Biden's brother was hired as SVP at a construction company mere 3 weeks before that company was awarded a huge contract to build housing in Iraq.

$1.5B contract in Iraq for Biden’s little brother exposes Obama ahead of debate
 
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But wait, that is not all. We now know that Hunter was only one of five Biden's to become rich through influence peddling in 2009-2016.

The big problem for you is the usual one. Evidence. Or lack of it. A smaller but serious one is that Trump sought to make bribery legal.
 
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The articles of impeachment cover a period when Biden was out of office and his son was not involved in Burisma.

But I guess if Trump's defense is the "so what" defense--he did it so what? Then Trump might introduce the Biden's under "the devil made me do it" excuse.
I do believe the devil governs Trump's behavior--but he speaks through Trump's mirror, not the Bidens.
 
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An aside, since the Democratic Leadership in the House has allowed hearsay evidence to impeach the President, do we need anything more than hearsay to prosecute anyone including the Bidens?

In fact, the articles are based on the testimony of people actually present, as well as numerous documents showing that the aid was being withheld, pending Zelensky's willingness to help Trump's re-election campaign.
 
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He thinks the Biden's are corrupt?

I don't think it's going to be a very effective distraction. For one thing, America isn't buying it.

Twenty-seven percent of those polled said they thought it was illegal for former Vice President Joe Biden's son to serve on the board.

Hunter Biden is not accused of any crimes for being a board member on Burisma.

"When told about Hunter Biden’s financial deals in the Ukraine and China, voters did not think they were crimes but overwhelmingly saw them as bad judgment," Mark Penn, the co-director of the Harvard CAPS/Harris poll said in a statement to The Hill.
Poll: Majority say Hunter Biden's role on Ukrainian energy board was bad judgment

That suggests that even about half of republicans aren't buying the story.
 
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In fact, the articles are based on the testimony of people actually present, as well as numerous documents showing that the aid was being withheld, pending Zelensky's willingness to help Trump's re-election campaign.

thank you for your kind and informative reply, however it does not negate the facts that the impeachment precedent was based on a whistle blower giving hearsay testimony, followed by numbers of “witnesses” who shared second and sometimes third hand knowledge. Each time their hearsay status was brought to light on cross examination.

Now, truth be told there are exceptions to hearsay evidence, they are as follows

Rule 803. Exceptions to the Rule Against Hearsay

You will note through reading of the link, none of the exceptions could apply to any of the hearsay testimony nor witnesses.
 
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thank you for your kind and informative reply, however it does not negate the facts that the impeachment precedent was based on a whistle blower giving hearsay testimony,

The report was examined and deemed credible by our intelligence people, but in any event, if there wasn't first-hand testimony, such as Lt. Col. Vindman's, it would have gone nowhere. As you know, the whistleblower was vindicated by testimony by people who were there, by emails, admitting the aid was being held up to coerce political help, and the GAO report, documenting that the law had been broken.
 
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