Opinion: On Impeachment

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But Vindman, who was on the July 25 call, testified that Trump was only willing to give the Ukrainians that meeting if Zelensky’s administration agreed to open an investigation into Burisma, a probe that would impact the Bidens.

“Was there any doubt in your mind as to what the President, our President, was asking for as a deliverable?” Vindman was asked. “There was no doubt,” he replied.
https://www.vox.com/2019/11/8/20955480/impeachment-vindman-testimony-trump-demand-quid-pro-quo

As you see, he clearly stated what Trump did. It doesn't matter what he called it. If he later retracted that testimony, I'd be pleased to see your evidence for it.

Please don’t ignore the question.


moment of honesty here.

When Vindman was cross examined and asked if he had first hand knowledge of bribery, or Quid pro quo. What was his answer?

I know it is uncomfortable, but in cross examination, the previous testimony was pretty much destroyed.

it flies in the face of the narrative, but it is what it is. You can’t ignore it.
 
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  • An attorney for Lt. Col. Alexander Vindman, a key impeachment witness and decorated US Army officer, has demanded that Fox News retract a suggestion made on the network groundlessly alleging that he is a Ukrainian spy.
  • "As a result, LTC Vindman and his family have been forced to examine options, including potentially moving onto a military base, in order to ensure their physical security in the face of threats rooted in the falsehood that Fox News originated," attorney David Pressman wrote in a letter to Fox.
  • Vindman has come under attack from Republican media, activists, and President Donald Trump himself for describing his concern after hearing Trump pressure Ukraine's president to investigate a domestic rival in a July 25 call.
  • Vindman was born in Ukraine, but moved to the US with his family when he was three-years-old.
Alexander Vindman's lawyers demanded a retraction from Fox News after a guest suggested he was a spy with split loyalties

Pretty much says it all, doesn't it?
 
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FBI agents on Thursday visited the Connecticut home and business of Robert Hyde, a Republican congressional candidate whose purported surveillance of the U.S. ambassador in Ukraine last year has become an issue in the impeachment of President Donald Trump.
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Parnas and Giuliani last year were engaged in an effort to oust Yovanovitch as part of a broader push to get Ukraine to investigate former Vice President Joe Biden, the current front-runner for the Democratic presidential nomination.
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In a March 23 text message to Parnas, Hyde had written of Yovanovitch, “Wow. Can’t believe Trumo [sic] hasn’t fired this b----. I’ll get right in that.”

“She [sic] under heavy protection outside Kiev,” Hyde texted.

He went on to describe Yovanovitch’s location, her communications and her security level.

“They are moving her tomorrow,” Hyde wrote Parnas on May 25.

Later that same day, Hyde texted: “She’s talked to three people. Her phone is off. Computer is off.”

And then, “She’s next to the embassy.”
FBI visits home of Robert Hyde, Trump donor at center of Ukraine ambassador spy scandal
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Hyde with an associate.






Since there is such a thing as Photoshop, how do we know for a fact that none of these photos were Photoshopped? I am not claiming the photos are fake, but I have enough experience with Photoshop to know that it doesn't take much effort if you know what you are doing, to add and subtract things from photos that weren't there to begin with.
 
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Its a joke. I watched a woman from Calf congress woman say Trumps crimes were the worst in history.. ok. I saw CNN report about something Trump said 21 years ago. And even some here made a thread about something Trump said in 2017. So I pray for them and speak words of life.

All while president Trump is doing a trade deal with China.
 
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Its a joke. I watched a woman from Calf congress woman say Trumps crimes were the worst in history.. ok. I saw CNN report about something Trump said 21 years ago. And even some here made a thread about something Trump said in 2017. So I pray for them and speak words of life.

All while president Trump is doing a trade deal with China.
How convenient that the Trump Administration makes a trade deal with China that just happens to coincide with the first day of the Impeachment trial!

Given that the Chinese are known as shrewd negotiators who know that this President is in desperate need of "a win," what was the price extracted from this White House to provide Trump with the much needed photo op to counter media coverage of the impeachment?
 
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Moment of honesty. Show us where he contradicted his testimony, if that's what you think he did.

I don't see it in any of the questioning. What do you have?

Nope, the challenge is yours. It just could be that you don’t see it in any of the questioning because you don’t have all the questioning.
 
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Barbarian suggests:
Moment of honesty. Show us where he contradicted his testimony, if that's what you think he did.
I don't see it in any of the questioning. What do you have?

Nope, the challenge is yours.

You couldn't find it either, um? No surprise there. We're used to hearing that excuse. "We have this proof of _____, but we're not going to show you. It's up to you to find it."
 
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Since there is such a thing as Photoshop, how do we know for a fact that none of these photos were Photoshopped? I am not claiming the photos are fake, but I have enough experience with Photoshop to know that it doesn't take much effort if you know what you are doing, to add and subtract things from photos that weren't there to begin with.

If you're really good, it's possible, but anyone capable of pixel peeping can find it. Remember when Trump people tried that "creepy Joe Biden" game, using photoshopped fakes? Took almost no time to expose it.

As someone said, any day now, Trump will deny ever knowing Rudy Giuliani.
 
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People Trump has denied knowing:
“I don’t know Prince Andrew,” Trump responded, “but it’s a tough story.” Although the president has been photographed with the prominent member of the royal family on numerous occasions, Trump doubled down on his claim. “I don’t know him, no,” he said of Andrew, who has retreated to private life after a woman who said she was part of Epstein’s teenage sex ring identified the prince as one of her abusers.
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former Defense Secretary Robert Gates;
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Marine Gen. John Allen;
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New York Times columnist David Brooks;
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former Louisiana Gov. Bobby Jindal
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unnamed woman who claimed he kissed her in the lobby of Trump Tower
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(long list)
Some of the many people Trump has denied knowing
 
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Barbarian suggests:
Moment of honesty. Show us where he contradicted his testimony, if that's what you think he did.
I don't see it in any of the questioning. What do you have?



You couldn't find it either, um? No surprise there. We're used to hearing that excuse. "We have this proof of _____, but we're not going to show you. It's up to you to find it."


LOL!

Here, I'll make it easier - Did Vindman ever have contact with President Trump?

User Clip: Vindman Admits No Firsthand Knowledge | C-SPAN.org

Here is where he admits not using Bribery to describe the actions of the President

Trump War Room --- Text FIGHT to 88022 on Twitter

and don't forget he said

Vindman said he couldn’t recall Ukrainians feeling pressured to do investigations



This, IMHO, is why we should listen to both sides.
 
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Here, I'll make it easier - Did Vindman ever have contact with President Trump?

Lt Col Alexander Vindman told Congress that President Donald Trump made "inappropriate" political demands of the Ukrainian president.

"I couldn't believe what I was hearing," Col Vindman said.

The hearings are investigating whether Mr Trump abused his presidential power.

A decorated Iraq war veteran who serves in a senior role on the US National Security Council (NSC), Col Vindman testified before the House on Tuesday in his Army dress uniform.

As he described his reaction to hearing a call between President Trump and his Ukranian counterpart, President Volodymyr Zelensky, Col Vindman came under attack by the official White House Twitter account, which posted a critical quote from his former boss on the NSC questioning his judgement.
White House attacks impeachment witness

He was listening in on the call. Do you call that "contact?"




The clip is edited to remove the context of what he was describing. As you now realize, Vindman heard Trump ask for the political help from Ukraine as he was asking for it. So yes, that's "firsthand knowledge."

Here is where he admits not using Bribery to describe the actions of the President



Vindman described it as "inappropriate." It only matters what it was, not what Vindman called it. C'mon.
 
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"It was improper for the president to request - to demand - an investigation into a political opponent, especially [from] a foreign power where there is at best dubious belief that this would be a completely impartial investigation and that this would have significant implications if it became public knowledge," he told the committee.

He had reported the "inappropriate" discussion to NSC lawyers "out of a sense of duty".
White House attacks impeachment witness
 
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People Trump has denied knowing:
“I don’t know Prince Andrew,” Trump responded, “but it’s a tough story.” Although the president has been photographed with the prominent member of the royal family on numerous occasions, Trump doubled down on his claim. “I don’t know him, no,” he said of Andrew, who has retreated to private life after a woman who said she was part of Epstein’s teenage sex ring identified the prince as one of her abusers.

Trump shouldn't have memory lapses like that since he said he's a 'very stable genius' and he has 'one of the greatest memories of all time.' Maybe he thinks his memory and intelligence is unpresidented.
 
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MSNBC as a source.

My apologies, but the only source less accurate than MSNBC is CNN

both are extremely biased against the Administration and have made numerous false stories over the last three years.

IMHO they are not a good source for anything except regurgitating their handlers narratives.
 
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