Democrats are all over the map over the years

The Barbarian said:

Bob, everyone, on either side of the aisle comes closer. Can you find anyone else who got nailed with million-dollar damages for defrauding people who trusted him, or cheated on three wives in turn, or lies about everything, even when it doesn't matter, or intervened to help war criminals escape justice, or ...

No, that's Trump's excuse. He thinks everyone is an amoral wreck of a human being. But it's not true.

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Is that cut and paste?
Because, it sounds so familiar.
Old and been around for years now.
Why? Because it's all they got.
M-Bob

visionary said:

SICK. After Soleimani and His Goons Murder Over 600 US Soldiers Pelosi Calls His Death "Disproportionate" - An Outraged Lee Zeldin Sets Her Straight

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The 600 US soldiers have no right being in Iraq in the first place. Also Soleimani’s assassination was illegal plain and simple, it’s sick that certain Americans actually try defending aggression against a foreign nation like this to this extent.

Mountainmanbob said:

Is that cut and paste?
Because, it sounds so familiar.
Old and been around for years now.

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Everytime those guys get caught, it's "I just want to move on now." Sorry, actions have consequences.

Why? Because it's all they got.

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That and the felonies he did trying to get Ukraine to bail out his political campaign.

The argument "hey, they're all as corrupt as Trump", is a loser.

The Barbarian said:

Bob, everyone, on either side of the aisle comes closer. Can you find anyone else who got nailed with million-dollar damages for defrauding people who trusted him, or cheated on three wives in turn, or lies about everything, even when it doesn't matter, or intervened to help war criminals escape justice, or ...

No, that's Trump's excuse. He thinks everyone is an amoral wreck of a human being. But it's not true.

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Being personally consistent in one's moral convictions and upholding Christian values doesn't seem to be a primary concern anymore among the Christian Right since Donald Trump came along and started politically pandering to conservative/evangelical Christians. In fact, we have witnessed the Republican Party being refashioned and morphed into the image of Donald Trump in the last three years.

Trump has perfected his ability to speak Christianese and he knows exactly what to say to persuade his faithful followers. He reminds me of the Pied Piper because he knows what melody to play to get people to willingly follow him. He knows how to manipulate other people and then he plays them like a fiddle to his own personal and professional advantage. If he genuinely believed in Christ and believed in His teachings, then it would be demonstrated in his life through his words and behavior, but it isn't.

He only speaks Christianese and puts on an act like he cares about his Christian followers and their political agendas because he knows that kind of speech will entice them and keep them appeased. And the disconcerting part in all of this is that his Christian followers seem to already know that about him because we've heard such lame excuses from them like "I voted for a President, not a pastor!" and "I didn't vote for him because he was a choir boy!" They also insist that he shouldn't be judged for his sins and that no one is sinless (and perfect). But they haven't exactly been morally consistent using the latter excuses because none of them seem to have the slightest hint of moral confliction pointing a judgmental finger and casting stones at some Democratic politician for his or her immoral behavior.

The Barbarian said:

Everytime those guys get caught, it's "I just want to move on now." Sorry, actions have consequences.

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It isn't like that when the guilty person in question is a Democrat and it wouldn't be like that if Trump had stuck to his previous liberal beliefs instead of pretending to be a Republican. In fact, it wouldn't be like that if Trump had campaigned as a Democrat and if he was a Democratic President now. If he was still a Democrat and he didn't pander to the Christian Right, then he would have been condemned long ago by his faithful supporters before he had the chance to plan his first presidential campaign rally.

Al Masihi said:

Also Soleimani’s assassination was illegal plain and simple, it’s sick that certain Americans actually try defending aggression against a foreign nation like this to this extent.

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Killing terrorists is not against US policy.
More should do it.
We hate bad guys.
M-Bob

The Barbarian said:

That and the felonies he did trying to get Ukraine to bail out his political campaign.



The argument "hey, they're all as corrupt as Trump", is a loser.

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I wish they would keep up with the news.
That one went down in flames.

M-Bob

Mountainmanbob said:

I wish they would keep up with the news.
That one went down in flames.

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Nope. It's why he got impeached. Not only does the transcript show it:
Read the transcript of Trump's conversation with Volodymyr Zelensky - CNNPolitics

and witnesses testify to it:
Vindman: Without hesitation, I knew I had to report this
Lt. Col. Alexander Vindman told House Intelligence Chair Adam Schiff that while listening in on the July 25 call between President Trump and Ukrainian President Zelensky, Vindman thought it was improper for Trump to "demand an investigation."
Alexander Vindman on Ukraine Trump call: Without hesitation, I knew I had to report this - CNN Video

but the GAO has reported that Trump did violate the law.
Hold on Ukraine Aid Violated Law, Nonpartisan Watchdog Finds

Freeze on funds is at the center of the impeachment of President Trump
Hold on Ukraine Aid Violated Law, Nonpartisan Watchdog Finds


Sondland said that by September he had become concerned that $391m in US security aid to Ukraine had become "jeopardised" by a White House "log jam". As a result, Sondland said he pushed a senior Ukrainian official to move forward with the investigations Trump wanted in order to release the aid.

"We tried our best to fix the problem while keeping the State Department and the NSC closely advised," Sondland said, referring to the National Security Council.
Gordon Sondland: 'Was there quid pro quo? ... The answer is yes'

It's really too late to try to re-write this narrative.

The Barbarian said:

Nope. It's why he got impeached. Not only does the transcript show it:
Read the transcript of Trump's conversation with Volodymyr Zelensky - CNNPolitics

and witnesses testify to it:
Vindman: Without hesitation, I knew I had to report this
Lt. Col. Alexander Vindman told House Intelligence Chair Adam Schiff that while listening in on the July 25 call between President Trump and Ukrainian President Zelensky, Vindman thought it was improper for Trump to "demand an investigation."
Alexander Vindman on Ukraine Trump call: Without hesitation, I knew I had to report this - CNN Video

but the GAO has reported that Trump did violate the law.
Hold on Ukraine Aid Violated Law, Nonpartisan Watchdog Finds

Freeze on funds is at the center of the impeachment of President Trump
Hold on Ukraine Aid Violated Law, Nonpartisan Watchdog Finds


Sondland said that by September he had become concerned that $391m in US security aid to Ukraine had become "jeopardised" by a White House "log jam". As a result, Sondland said he pushed a senior Ukrainian official to move forward with the investigations Trump wanted in order to release the aid.

"We tried our best to fix the problem while keeping the State Department and the NSC closely advised," Sondland said, referring to the National Security Council.
Gordon Sondland: 'Was there quid pro quo? ... The answer is yes'

It's really too late to try to re-write this narrative.

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Do you really Think a Trump supporter would want to read fake propaganda?

Are we still going to see these same old posts floating around after Trump is reelected?
M-Bob

Mountainmanbob said:

Do you really Think a Trump supporter would want to read fake propaganda?

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Generating it is more they're style, isn't it? But as you know, the information I just posted, is well-documented.

Mountainmanbob said:

Killing terrorists is not against US policy.
More should do it.
We hate bad guys.
M-Bob

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Only he wasn’t a terrorist and a commander of a foreign nation, US policy is the definition of terrorism, who was arming groups that killed Christians in Syria and Iraq, the US. Who funds Saudi Arabia and the Gulf States, the US. Who created the Taliban, the US. The US doesn’t hate the bad guys, it creates bad guys to fight its enemies. It was Soleimani who defeated Isis in both Iraq and Syria, not the US, infact Isis pops up whenever the US seems to intervene in either Iraq or Syria, Isis territory was growing rapidly during the American intervention and it was only pushed back when Russia and Iran intervened on behalf of the Syrian government. Just last week Isis made another major attack in Iraq after pretty much a year of silence after being pounded by Qasem Soleimani and Abu Mahdi Al Muhandis, America takes both out and they suddenly come back one week after the illegal assassination of a Soleimani and Muhandis, coincidence, I think not.

Al Masihi said:

Only he wasn’t a terrorist and a commander of a foreign nation, US policy is the definition of terrorism, who was arming groups that killed Christians in Syria and Iraq, the US. Who funds Saudi Arabia and the Gulf States, the US. Who created the Taliban, the US. The US doesn’t hate the bad guys, it creates bad guys to fight its enemies. It was Soleimani who defeated Isis in both Iraq and Syria, not the US, infact Isis pops up whenever the US seems to intervene in either Iraq or Syria, Isis territory was growing rapidly during the American intervention and it was only pushed back when Russia and Iran intervened on behalf of the Syrian government. Just last week Isis made another major attack in Iraq after pretty much a year of silence after being pounded by Qasem Soleimani and Abu Mahdi Al Muhandis, America takes both out and they suddenly come back one week after the illegal assassination of a Soleimani and Muhandis, coincidence, I think not.

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Well now interesting because,
half the people in Iran call him a terrorist.
M-Bob

"The strong action taken by the United States, led by President Obama, and NATO, the United Nations and the Arab League proves the power of the world community working together.
Pelosi wasn’t alone, of course — many Democrats supported Obama’s policy, and major newspapers like The New York Times backed regime change in Libya at the time in unhinged, screeching editorials. Years later, Libya is an open-air slave market split by nonstop sectarian strife, and thousands of refugees have been displaced."
Libya is experiencing civil war. Why does our country not realize that nations will only adopt democratic principles when they are ready on their own?
Gaddafi was known for human rights abuses and financing terrorism.

I suppose some of the differences between Obama's actions and Trump's is that: Obama was supported by NATO, the UN, and the Arab League. Trump kept his attack secret except from Vladimir Putin and his Mar a Lago friends, who are being investigated for possible insider trading due to their advance knowledge.

Mountainmanbob said:

Well now interesting because,
half the people in Iran call him a terrorist.
M-Bob

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Any statistics? Most people in Iran including the anti regime club threw themselves behind Soleimani. Also it doesn’t matter how many people whether inside Iran or outside of Iran call him a terrorist what matters is facts, facts are he wasn’t a terrorist, Trump fits that label more then him and imagine if Iran assassinated Trump that way, we wouldn’t hear the end of it from America.

Al Masihi said:

Any statistics? Most people in Iran including the anti regime club threw themselves behind Soleimani. Also it doesn’t matter how many people whether inside Iran or outside of Iran call him a terrorist what matters is facts, facts are he wasn’t a terrorist, Trump fits that label more then him and imagine if Iran assassinated Trump that way, we wouldn’t hear the end of it from America.

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Doesn't sound like a US view?
M-Bob