Questions About Hell

Saint Steven said:

It seems that this happens all the time.

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When?

SkyWriting said:

When?

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People reject God all the time. Yet he still pursues them and eventually saves them.

SkyWriting said: ↑
You can't reject God....and get saved by the God you've rejected.

Saint Steven said:

People reject God all the time. Yet he still pursues them and eventually saves them.

SkyWriting said: ↑
You can't reject God....and get saved by the God you've rejected.

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I don't think that happens in Hell. But I'm not 100% on that.

SkyWriting said:

I don't think that happens in Hell. But I'm not 100% on that.

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A few things to consider.

Philippians 2:10-11
that at the name of Jesus every knee should bow,
in heaven and on earth and under the earth,
11 and every tongue acknowledge that Jesus Christ is Lord,
to the glory of God the Father.

1 Corinthians 12:3
Therefore I want you to know that no one who is speaking by the Spirit of God says,
“Jesus be cursed,” and no one can say, “Jesus is Lord,” except by the Holy Spirit.

Romans 14:9
For this very reason, Christ died and returned to life so that
he might be the Lord of both the dead and the living.

Romans 10:9
If you declare with your mouth, “Jesus is Lord,” and believe in your heart
that God raised him from the dead, you will be saved.

Note on "acknowledge" in Philippians 2:11
S1843 eksomologéō (from 1537 /ek, "wholly out from," intensifying 3670 /homologéō, "say the same thing about") – properly, fully agree and to acknowledge that agreement openly (whole-heartedly); hence, to confess ("openly declare"), without reservation (no holding back).

smithed64 said:

No she had no choice, He did, but he choose to Obey God.

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That's what God does. He gives it all to redeem His worthless people. That was the point of Hosea.

smithed64 said:

Jesus wasn't God's suffering servant.

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Take it up with the prophet Isaiah.

smithed64 said:

Clay can't speak, so no it can't say 'nevermind' to the potter.

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"Woe to the one who quarrels with his Maker-- An earthenware vessel among the vessels of earth! Will the clay say to the potter, 'What are you doing?' Or the thing you are making say, 'He has no hands '? (Is 45:9)

But who are you, O man, to talk back to God? Shall what is formed say to Him who formed it, “Why did You make me like this?” (Rom 9:21)

Apparently it can try.

smithed64 said:

Again, V8 is a mix of veggies, they also can't determine where they are going to be.

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Any more than can any other of God's creatures in the end.

smithed64 said:

And that my friend is exactly what I am doing. I follow the scriptures and love this saying from Charles Spurgeon.

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smithed64 said:

“If sinners be damned, at least let them leap to Hell over our dead bodies. And if they perish, let them perish with our arms wrapped about their knees, imploring them to stay. If Hell must be filled, let it be filled in the teeth of our exertions, and let not one go unwarned and unprayed for.” Charles Spurgeon

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smithed64 said:

I do consider that. That's why I also will go to extremes to spread the Gospel. Because He did.

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Better nobody hears the gospel if it's just going to portray God as a malevolent psychopath and condemn them to eternity in hell. That's why protest atheism exists, and I understand it.

Woe unto you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! for ye compass sea and land to make one proselyte, and when he is made, ye make him twofold more the child of hell than yourselves. (Mt 23:15)

smithed64 said:

His true love, was the Death and resurrection. Yes.
His Greatest Love, that you and I may be saved. That unmerited salvation. He gives us something we don't deserve.
If we all got what we deserved, it would be Hell. Because we aren't good enough, nor perfect enough, nor righteous enough. His love is so great that He'd never force us to serve Him. It's also so great He continues to give us chance after chance to believe in Him, Repent of our sins, and place our trust in Him.

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Empty words. Get a load of the spirit brother. An arsonist who sells you fire insurance is not your friend. God didn't design some kind of glorified video game with a fiery end for those who don't 'choose' His 'love'. What a sick joke.

Saint Steven said:

Maybe I have the gift of prophecy. - lol

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Let's see, you want me to say, "Sin.", so you can promote holiness?

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LOL...hope your right all the time...remember what God says to do to those who get it wrong...lol

Saint Steven said:

I see you are single, so you probably don't have any children.
Parents don't hate their children for having a runny nose and a dirty diaper.
A good parent cleans their kid up and goes on with life.
I'm pretty sure our heavenly Father is like that.

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I am single.

Have three grown children and three Grandsons.
Have raised 5 others.
One of the greatest lessons i ever learned was from a 17 year old young man, I raised from 8 till He moved out.
One day I was sitting at home, just chillin. This young man came in and sat down in front of me and said, "Ed, I'm angry at you!" I looked up and realized, he was definitely P.O'd at me. I always have the policy with my children and any others, you have a problem, come to me, if it's about me, come to me and I'll listen.
I asked Him "Why?"
He looked me in the eyes and said, "You don't get on to me enough!" To say the least i was a bit shocked. I began to giggle at what He said, not really taking him seriously. But he got even angrier and let me know that He wasn't kidding.
So I took a minute, listened to what he said, won't get into it..too long. It all added up to, that I was to lenient on Him and that I needed to crack down Him a bit more. Which was true, I had been that way with Him.
I asked Him, "Why, you mean you want me to get onto more?...why?"
He said, and I live by this more now than ever...He said. "Dad, when you don't get on to me, it makes me feel like you don't care about me enough to even notice what i'm up to!"
My head exploded. He was right. So I promised that I'd cut out the leniency and crack down on him a bit more.

A good parent, takes care of His/Her kids.
A great parent, does above and listens.
A loving parent, does all above and disciplines their children. If you don't, you don't love them enough to care about where or what they are doing.
This is How God is.

Saint Steven said:

Since that is true, what is the purpose of hell?
When Jesus endured the FULL wrath of God, was there any wrath left to give?

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Jesus, took the full wrath of God while on the cross. That is what He saves us from. So that we would never have to face an Angry God.

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Jesus has to talk about hell because it is the fate that awaits all people apart from him. Because of Adam’s sin, we’re all guilty and deserve God’s eternal punishment. Contrary to popular belief, hell is not a place where God sends those who have been especially bad; it’s our default destination. We need a rescuer or we stand condemned.

So we’re left with two options: stay in our state of depravity and be eternally punished, or submit to the Savior and accept his gift of redemption.

So, for those who reject Christ and live life their way...other words tell God, "NO!, not God's will be done, but, My! will be done"
Should they live in Heaven receiving the same rewards as those of us who repented and serve the Father, put our trust in Jesus, denied ourselves and lived the best we could with His Spirit?

Saint Steven said:

Not sure where you get this idea.
God is omniscient. (all knowing) He is fully aware of everything we do.

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Proverbs 6:16-19 New American Standard Bible (NASB)

16 There are six things which the Lord hates,
Yes, seven which are an abomination to Him:
17 Haughty eyes, a lying tongue,
And hands that shed innocent blood,
18 A heart that devises wicked plans,
Feet that run rapidly to evil,
19 A false witness who utters lies,
And one who spreads strife among brothers.

These have on thing in common, they transgress God's laws. Laws He has placed on our hearts. Transgressing the Law is the definition of Sin. Just because God knows all we do, doesn't mean He likes everything we do.

Your a dad, so everything your children have done has been perfect? They never grated your nerves? Never made you wonder, what in the world is that child doing?

Your right, He not only knows what we do, He knows what we intend to do.
That doesn't excuse us to sin against Him, if anything it should remind us NOT to sin against Him.

Shrewd Manager said:

That's what God does. He gives it all to redeem His worthless people. That was the point of Hosea.



Take it up with the prophet Isaiah.



"Woe to the one who quarrels with his Maker-- An earthenware vessel among the vessels of earth! Will the clay say to the potter, 'What are you doing?' Or the thing you are making say, 'He has no hands '? (Is 45:9)

But who are you, O man, to talk back to God? Shall what is formed say to Him who formed it, “Why did You make me like this?” (Rom 9:21)

Apparently it can try.



Any more than can any other of God's creatures in the end.







Better nobody hears the gospel if it's just going to portray God as a malevolent psychopath and condemn them to eternity in hell. That's why protest atheism exists, and I understand it.

Woe unto you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! for ye compass sea and land to make one proselyte, and when he is made, ye make him twofold more the child of hell than yourselves. (Mt 23:15)



Empty words. Get a load of the spirit brother. An arsonist who sells you fire insurance is not your friend. God didn't design some kind of glorified video game with a fiery end for those who don't 'choose' His 'love'. What a sick joke.

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Your god, may not.

The one truth that allows me to accept the justice of hell is the indisputable certitude of the goodness of God. While the notion of hell is difficult for me to grasp, Jesus (with nail-scarred hands) is worthy of my complete trust. His goodness causes me to look ultimately not to hell, but to the cross. Which is why we spread the Gospel.

The one truth that allows me to accept the justice of hell is the indisputable certitude of the goodness of God.

God is both great and good. His greatness causes us to bow the knee, cry out in awe and wonder, and fear him. We realize we don’t deserve salvation; we deserve punishment. His goodness, on the other hand, causes us to rise up in endless praise, grateful for a Savior. His mercy allows us to enter into his presence boldly and without fear. Because he is good, we can have a relationship with him as a child, dearly loved, snatched from the flames of hell.

In his classic Knowing God, J. I. Packer writes of the goodness and severity of God: “The character of God is the guarantee that all wrongs will be righted someday; when the ‘day of God’s wrath, when his righteous judgment will be revealed’ (Rom 2:5) arrives, retribution will be exact, and no problems of cosmic unfairness will remain to haunt us. God is the Judge, so justice will be done” (143).

One day, all that is wrong will be made right. We’ll see all God’s ways as good, including the demonstration of his eternal justice. For now, we walk in humility and faith, trusting with the apostle Paul: “Oh, the depth of the riches and wisdom and knowledge of God! How unsearchable are his judgments and how inscrutable his ways!” (Rom. 11:33).

smithed64 said:

Jesus has to talk about hell because it is the fate that awaits all people apart from him. Because of Adam’s sin, we’re all guilty and deserve God’s eternal punishment. Contrary to popular belief, hell is not a place where God sends those who have been especially bad; it’s our default destination. We need a rescuer or we stand condemned.

So we’re left with two options: stay in our state of depravity and be eternally punished, or submit to the Savior and accept his gift of redemption.

So, for those who reject Christ and live life their way...other words tell God, "NO!, not God's will be done, but, My! will be done"
Should they live in Heaven receiving the same rewards as those of us who repented and serve the Father, put our trust in Jesus, denied ourselves and lived the best we could with His Spirit?

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I used to believe something similar to that. Not any more.

smithed64 said:

Proverbs 6:16-19 New American Standard Bible (NASB)

16 There are six things which the Lord hates,
Yes, seven which are an abomination to Him:
17 Haughty eyes, a lying tongue,
And hands that shed innocent blood,
18 A heart that devises wicked plans,
Feet that run rapidly to evil,
19 A false witness who utters lies,
And one who spreads strife among brothers.

These have on thing in common, they transgress God's laws. Laws He has placed on our hearts. Transgressing the Law is the definition of Sin. Just because God knows all we do, doesn't mean He likes everything we do.

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At least four of these seven have nothing to do with God's laws.

This doesn't confirm your claim. (see below)

smithed64 said: ↑
God hates sin, he doesn't even want to look at it.

smithed64 said:

The one truth that allows me to accept the justice of hell is the indisputable certitude of the goodness of God.

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Never has faith been so blind.
There is no way hell can equate to goodness. Not as you define it anyway.
Just to be clear, I am assuming you define hell as eternal conscious torment in the Lake of Fire with no hope of escape. Please correct me if I misunderstand you. Or explain what is good about it.

smithed64 said:

LOL...hope your right all the time...remember what God says to do to those who get it wrong...lol

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That's funny, but as you probably know, prophecy after the outpouring of the Holy Spirit has taken on a different role. See scripture below.

This may be more for the topic readers than you. But these days The Holy Spirit is giving believers what amounts to "puzzle pieces" to share with others. The person receiving the "puzzle piece" needs to determine whether and where it fits. These are usually shared as a possible word from God. In need of confirmation by the person receiving it. The "prophet" typically does not have the whole picture, only a puzzle piece to offer.

1 Corinthians 14:3
But the one who prophesies speaks to people for their strengthening, encouraging and comfort.

1 Corinthians 14:24-25
But if an unbeliever or an inquirer comes in while everyone is prophesying, they are convicted of sin and are brought under judgment by all, 25 as the secrets of their hearts are laid bare. So they will fall down and worship God, exclaiming, “God is really among you!”

FineLinen said:

Oh good grief ! ! !

Unspoken Sermons by George MacDonald: Justice

Mankind was born sinners, "not by any choice of their own". Those same sinners (made sinners) are the identical "made sinners" in the Last Adam "made righteous".

The steadfast love of the Lord NEVER ceases > > >EVER

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So, yo don't believe in the indisputable fact that God is Good.
That if not for His Goodness, there would be no chance of repentance.

He imputes His righteousness upon us. We in of ourselves cannot not be righteous on our own.
We must repent, trust in Christ and live a holy and righteous life through and by Him alone.

Your right His Love never ceases. Never said it doesn't.
Because of His love, He made a way for us to be with Him. To break the separation that Sin brought.
That was the Death and resurrection of our Lord Jesus Christ.

Believe in that and in Him, repent, and trust.

Pretty easy.

FineLinen said:

I believe that “God is love.” -1 John 4:8-

I believe that “love never fails.” -1 Cor. 13:8-

I believe that God never fails. EVER!

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I agree, completely.
He is so much more, though

• Nature
  • God Does Not Change - Num. 23:19; Mal. 3:6; James 1:17
  • God is Without Limit - 1 Kings 8:27; Jer. 23:23-24
  • God is Eternal - Psalm 90:2; 1 Tim. 1:17
  • God is One - Deut. 6:4; 1 Cor. 8:4
  • God is Trinitarian - Matt. 28:19; 2 Cor. 13:14
  • God is a Most Pure Spirit - John 4:24
  • God is Invisible - 1 Tim. 1:17
  • God is Truth - Psalm 117:2; Jer. 10:10
  • God is Light - 1 John 1:5
  • God is Infinite - Jer. 23:24; Psalm 147:5
  • God is Unequaled - Isaiah 40:13-25
  • God is Perfect - 1 Kings 8:27; Psalm 139
• Attributes
  • God is Love - 1 John 4:8,16
  • God is Merciful - Exodus 34:6; Psalm 67:1; James 5:11
  • God is Forgiving - Dan. 9:9; Eph. 1:7; Psalm 86:5
  • God is All-Knowing - 1 John 3:20
  • God is Everywhere - Psalm 139:7-12
  • God is All-Powerful - Jer. 32:17,27
  • God is Incomprehensible - Rom. 11:33; Psalm 145:3
  • God is Most Wise - Rom. 16:27; Jude 25
  • God is Most Holy - Isaiah 6:3; Rev. 4:8
  • God is Most Free - Psalm 115:3
  • God is Most Absolute - Isaiah 44:6; Acts 17:24-25
  • God is The Creator - Isaiah 40:12,22,26
  • God is the God of Justice - Isaiah 30:18