What About Dinosaurs?

Petros2015 said:

His character. And mine. And the difference between the two.

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How do you know anything about Jesus' character?

JacksBratt said:

You didn't answer the question. You have just repeated what you have already stated before.

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Because I said, "I'm not going to go detail by detail with you."

You believe as you do and I will believe as I do and I will see you in heaven as it's not a salvation issue.

JacksBratt said:

"There was evening, there was morning, the first day" How explicit do you want it? Then, He does this for each day.

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I don't recall arguing against the 6 days... the question remains as to what occurred on each day, and how God imposed his desired will.

JacksBratt said:

Well, if it is not "literal", how would you describe your method of interpretation of the Genesis account. Not to mention the other scriptures that reinforce this time frame. As in these:

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Again, I'm not denying six days as that is quite explicit, and when did I suggest not to be taken literally? However, we disagree on the nature of those six days and as to God's commands.

JacksBratt said:

Why then do you discard the record of the creation... if, in fact you do believe that it is well within God's abilities to do it as it is written?

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It isn't a question of God's omnipotence but rather how God choose to put those fiats into place. It is undeniable that God choose mediate processes as distinctly set forth in Genesis. A plain reading of Genesis should raise myriad questions, but many choose to read with insufficient delicacy. (GKC)

JacksBratt said:

Yet.. you toss the "six days" concept.. even when it is totally within God's capabilities.

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As noted I did not "toss" the six days, what I did do was studied what Genesis actually says as to the commands, their direction, what is parenthetical, and of course their fulfillment. Again, it doesn't affect God's "capabilities" it concerns his chosen course of creating.

JacksBratt said:

Ya, I read a recipe once on making burgers....

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That I live in maple syrup country I will often add a touch of maple syrup to my burgers... always come out well!

JacksBratt said:

IMHO... you cannot hold one part of the canon, and all it's miracles... as solid truth..... because my salvation depends on that to be true... and discard the other scripture as being truthful... because I disagree with it and it doesn't affect my salvation.

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You've made the false assumption that I have rejected the Genesis creation account as not being truth, when I have done no such thing. I simply looked for answers within the text to questions raised therein. This led to my view of the account with a humility we should all embrace as to various interpretations. It might be noted too that I have no problem with the specific days of creation being 24 hours as it has no effect on what I believe the scripture says as to the overall creation account.

What about Dinosaurs.... I bet they taste yummy

Sorry I could not help my self!!

JacksBratt said:

How do you know anything about Jesus' character?

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Well, there was this funny little book.

And, about 4 chapters of that funny little book seem to have been written by people who claim to have known and travelled with him about 2000 years ago. Although possibly they were written by people who listened to the people that knew and travelled with him on their behalf. And then there were some chapters that were written by people afterwards who did what he told them to do. And there were some letters written by some people who were trying to follow and understand what he told them to do and encourage others.

The first part of the book had been around for a while, but the part about Jesus was added to the first part. The whole book was put together by some bishops, I think, of a funny little church that he started. The funny little church eventually split and split over the next couple thousand years and argued and things, but mostly the funny little book stayed, and you can still find roots of the funny little church that put it together, if you care to look hard enough.

They all seemed to be expecting him to come back, soon, a lot of them said.

Then about one thousand nine hundred and seventy one years later, I got born onto this funny little planet by parents (one of whom at least) had read the funny little book and gone to some of the funny little churches. I think I was about 6 when I asked 'mommy, what about the dinosaurs and the bones?' And mommy gave me a funny little answer, which was to say 'maybe Satan hid fake bones there just to fool everyone into thinking the funny little book wasn't true'. Or words to that effect.

I don't blame mommy. She was doing her best. But the result was a bit confusing - mommy just gave a ridiculous answer to justify her interpretations of the contents of the book over the truth of reality to a 6 year old. And not only does the 6 year old smell something fishy, worse, like all 6 year olds, he really LOVES dinosaurs. Also, the Satan that would be indicated by such a scheme sounded enormously and unfairly powerful. None of those things fit well. But despite the cognitive dissonance, what was clear in my life was that mom had faith, and a good heart, and all the things that I would later identify as the qualities of the Spirit. So when you ask me how I know about the character of Jesus, I would have to say it is mostly from my mom. I've met it in others, but surely she was the first I met it from.

Later, I realized he *had* come back. In fact, he had never really left or been gone for those 2000 years. His spirit remained, carried forward by generations of believers who called him Lord and followed his word and teachings. But it's kind of funny so many people waiting for him to come back, and not realizing that they were the doors by which he could have, if they had listened to his knocking.

But that was all much later. I went out into the funny little world.

It turned out the funny little world is not actually all that funny.

There's plenty that doesn't make much sense, and there's a lot of badness.

Eventually I came back to the funny little book, and realized that I loved the character that was described in there, more than I loved the world. That the character was Truer than the rest of the world. That what he said about human nature was very, very true, or else we wouldn't have crucified him for saying it.

We proved his point as we drove the nails in.

He proved his point when he rose from the dead.

I proved his point as I lived my life without him as Lord.

He proved his point by welcoming me and providing a Way for me to stop doing that.

Faith712 said:

One reason I believe but have some doubt about the bible is because man found dinosaur fossils and other things that confirm the Earth is older than the bible says. So if the bible is true, why doesn't it mention Dinosaurs? If it's true, then why does it say the earth is only thousands of years old?

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The Bible is true. Dinosaurs are a hoax. They never existed outside of the minds of the haters of God's word. We have an enemy and he is called the great deceiver. He also has his hierarchy of wickedness, from the earthly rulers to spiritual wickedness in high places.

This link is a start. It will give you a lot of proof and evidence of the lies and deceptions that have been at work to destroy the credibility of God's Holy Word.
http://www.zephaniah.eu/index_htm_files/The Dark Art of Deception - Why Dinosaurs are a Hoax.pdf

grasping the after wind said:

I have studied it enough to know it is not a book about natural history but a book about God and His relation to His people. Perhaps simply reading it is not enough to find out what it is about.

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The Bible is historically accurate. Who you choose to believe determines what side of the fence you are on.

Donovan1972 said:

http://www.zephaniah.eu/index_htm_files/The Dark Art of Deception - Why Dinosaurs are a Hoax.pdf

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They even got the world to believe that two 'atomic bombs' had destroyed the cities of Hiroshima and Nagasaki in August, 1945, when in reality these unfortunate cities were destroyed by intensive fire-bombing, just like seventy other Japanese cities.

Umm...

Outer space is a myth, giant asteroids do not exist, and dinosaurs were not 'wiped out' 65 million years ago.

Umm...

Oh No! Poor T-Rex!

Donovan1972 said:

The Bible is historically accurate. Who you choose to believe determines what side of the fence you are on.

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Fences are human devices.

They claim that the earth is a spinning globe, when in reality it is both flat and stationary; that the earth is billions of years old, when it is only a few thousand years old; that the 'universe' began with a 'big bang', where nothing became something, and this something then expanded and cooled to produce everything;

That's called 'Creation'. Ain't God grand?

They also teach that, in terms of magnitude, the sun is 333,333 times larger than the earth (an amazing Masonic coincidence) and 93 million miles away, when in reality it is moving along a circular path a few thousand miles above the earth and is less than forty miles in diameter; that explosive thermonuclear devices exist, when in reality the sub-atomic chain reaction needed to produce nuclear fission is simply impossible and the threat of nuclear war is nothing but a hoax to engender mass fear and feed geopolitical tensions; and they exploit the chicanery of Relativity Theory to concoct all kinds of absurd cosmic phenomena, such as black holes and white dwarves, when no such phenomena exist.

Wait till we get to the Green Gnomes. That will really make you flip your lid.

My God created galaxies, stars, dinosaurs and many, many other things. How can I worship the Creator and deny his Creation?

"Saul, Saul, why do you persecute Me? It is hard for you to kick against the goads."

JackRT said:

All that you have said is true were it not for one thing ---WHY? The empirically verified laws of motion and gravity perfectly explain the heliocentric cosmology. Other cosmologies have been proposed but all violate the laws of physics that mankind has spent the last 500 years developing and validating. That physics has taken mankind to the moon and back and has sent probes to every planet and even beyond. The true test of science is "does it work?" and the answer in this case is "it works extremely well".

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It is possible to make working explanations for many things, it doesn’t mean the explanation is necessary correct. And it doesn’t even require changing the laws of physics. Current model is ok, if we believe that we have correct base data. Also, that things work, doesn’t necessary mean that the theory is correct, it can just be a coincidence. And then there is also the question, can it be believed that we have sent anything to other planets.

BBAS 64 said:

What about Dinosaurs.... I bet they taste yummy

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Just like chicken.

Petros2015 said:

They even got the world to believe that two 'atomic bombs' had destroyed the cities of Hiroshima and Nagasaki in August, 1945, when in reality these unfortunate cities were destroyed by intensive fire-bombing, just like seventy other Japanese cities.

Umm...

Outer space is a myth, giant asteroids do not exist, and dinosaurs were not 'wiped out' 65 million years ago.

Umm...

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Oh No! Poor T-Rex!

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Blessed are your eyes for they see

As a student of military history, I am of two minds about Hiroshima and Nagasaki. I am appalled at the terrible loss of life both at the time and since then due to radiation effects. The total I believe may be several hundred thousand.

On the other hand, the invasion of the Japanese main islands was scheduled for the spring of 1946. Military planners were already well aware that the Japanese defense would be desperate and deadly. The official Japanese slogan of the day was "90 million die together”. The Allied planners were preparing for 6 million casualties in the invasion. It was estimated that 2 million of those would be deaths.

It must have been a heart wrenching decision for Truman to have to make. Remember that he had available only those two bombs. Another six would be available in 1946. He may very well have made the right decision based on the lesser of two evils proposition.

What Truman did not know, and is still little known today, is that the Japanese nuclear program was well advanced and was not years behind but only a few weeks behind. Their main research and development facility was located in what is now North Korea at a location known as Project Z. There is evidence that the Japanese actually conducted a successful nuclear test in the Sea of Japan off the coast of North Korea on the day before the Emperor intervened and forced the Japanese surrender.

Interestingly enough, Project Z fell into the hands of the Russian occupiers of North Korea and Russia was a nuclear power within a few short years.

1Thes4:1617daniel12:123 said:

I always say, if people can't believe page one of the Bible, what makes you think they will believe the rest?

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Gonna try this one once more and see if anyone will do anything with it but chant their doctrine. Here goes:
Howcome I have to believe that the writers of Genesis may not have used any poetic license at all in describing the Creation. That when they say that it took six days, it means 24 hour days even though in the beginning of process there was no sun to be used to delimit a "day", and hours hadn't been invented yet. I also have to ignore the fact they they didn't seem to place a lot of stress on precise time of the whole procedure, other than "6 days". If I don't believe that to be precisely what happened in precise terms, then I must reject the Gospel of Christ as false and go off and become a Hindu or something.

On the other hand, when I insist, as in fact I do, that when our took bread, and said " Take, eat: this is my body, which is broken for you" and then took the cup, and said "this cup is the new testament in my blood", that He meant it literally; when we take it, discerning it to be His Body and Blood, we are, in actual fact, eating His flesh and drinking His blood. As He said "Whoso eateth my flesh, and drinketh my blood, hath eternal life; and I will raise him up at the last day. For my flesh is meat indeed, and my blood is drink indeed."

Must I believe that He was merely using poetic license? I used to; that was what I was taught. I had to believe the poetry of Genesis to be plain speaking, but the plain speaking of our Lord to be simply poetry. In my old age I have come to see that as nonsense, the precise opposite of the way it should be taken, It's almost as though someone wanted to stand reason on its head and create confusion. Cry me for a heretic if you like, but I will take the Word of our Lord Christ literally, and accept the simple truth of Genesis as summarized in John: "All things were made by Him; and without Him was not any thing made that was made."

Jipsah said:

Just like chicken.

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No Rabbit...

Donovan1972 said:

The Bible is true. Dinosaurs are a hoax. They never existed outside of the minds of the haters of God's word. We have an enemy and he is called the great deceiver. He also has his hierarchy of wickedness, from the earthly rulers to spiritual wickedness in high places.

This link is a start. It will give you a lot of proof and evidence of the lies and deceptions that have been at work to destroy the credibility of God's Holy Word.
http://www.zephaniah.eu/index_htm_files/The Dark Art of Deception - Why Dinosaurs are a Hoax.pdf

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Dinosaurs are just extinct animals. There are between 200- 2,000 animal extinctions every year. The evolutionists turned the dinosaur into this caricature -that part is the hoax. T.Rex was most likely a scavenger who never even bothered humans. The Bible depicts both land and sea dinosaurs/monsters.

The Leviathan or sea monster is mentioned numerous times through scripture
and behemoth is described at length in Job.

Old tales of dragons, those were dinosaurs. Those stories come from around the world and go back way further than the 19th century. List of dragons in mythology and folklore - Wikipedia
There is a reason that tales of dragons, creation and flood span the world and completely different cultures, they exist because there is truth at the core and the stories got passed and spread around.

Dragons were simply renamed and rebranded in the 19th century into the dinosaur. They made it laughable that humans and dinosaurs could have ever lived at the same time. This is the hoax, not the animals themselves.

Petros2015 said:

Well, there was this funny little book.

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There you have it.. You believe in Christ by what is written in the same book that states how the earth was created.

You believe one part of it.. because your soul depends on it..

You discard the other part because your mere mortal friends told you that it's not true.

Funny... how a man who walked on water and all the other things.. is fine.. if it saves your soul.. Yet this same entity creating the universe in six days.. a feat that we all agree is within His capabilities... is not believable. Even when He did it in six days.. many times, through out the same book.

Faith712 said:

why does it say the earth is only thousands of years old?

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The Bible begins with Adam and Eve in the Garden of Eden around 6,000 years ago. There is no conflict between science and the Bible. Science and History helps us to better understand our Bible. The Bible is literal, but the Bible also contains archetypes. These archetypes are universal with many applications so the Bible has to be written accordingly.

JacksBratt said:

There you have it.. You believe in Christ by what is written in the same book that states how the earth was created. You believe one part of it.. because your soul depends on it.. You discard the other part because your mere mortal friends told you that it's not true.

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I believe the parts that experience bears out as true; needing salvation from myself bore itself out, as did Christ's presence. He didn't save me by walking on water - I'd have followed him even if he hadn't. And I follow him, really, because He came to me, not the other way around.

It's not a matter of my mere mortal friends telling me something is not true; it's my entire moral existance and experience of reality, and also, the fact that the person I'm following, I think, had an interest in Truth. He said things like "I am the Way, the Truth and the Light". He said things like "Everyone who belongs to the truth listens to My voice.”

Now on this thread we have someone here posting articles claiming "there is no such thing as outer space". "atomic weapons don't exist". "the sun is about 40 miles in diameter"

... If God is the author of Truth, really I don't think he's a friend to the author of such articles. Because, it's a pack of lies. And so I think, somebody may be in for a very bad surprise.

"there's no such thing as outer space".

That's pretty funny.

"Bind him hand and foot and cast him into the outer darkness”
"wandering stars, for whom blackest darkness has been reserved forever"

When I look up at the night sky, I see an inconceivably immense creation, billions upon billions of stars. All made by the hand of God.

And do you know what's in-between all those stars? Light years, and light years of unfathomable distance. Enough outer darkness to spend an eternity of eternities in, if one were cast there. So, food for thought.