Addiction: sin or disease?

Strong in Him · Jan 16, 2020

messianist said:
Yeasha says the spiritual man judge all thing but will not be judged by no man, your lost and can't see or hear the truth blind guide.

That you think I'm lost is a judgement - and a false one.

messianist · Jan 16, 2020

Strong in Him said:
That you think I'm lost is a judgement - and a false one.

Its accurate.

Strong in Him · Jan 16, 2020

messianist said:
Its accurate.

Like I said; you haven't a clue.

messianist · Jan 16, 2020

It's you who hasn't got a clue as you have shown now and other threads

Strong in Him · Jan 16, 2020

messianist said:
It's you who hasn't got a clue as you have shown now and other threads

Is it possible to stop throwing around insults for 5 minutes and contribute sensibly to this thread?

The subject of the OP was; is addiction a sin or a disease?
Your first post on this thread did not give an opinion or an answer; you said:

messianist said:
Those who have addictions are under judgment.

Which sounds as if you are saying that they are a sin - though you never actually said that.
A couple of people, including myself, thought that a bit harsh, and said that we shouldn't judge others. Someone asked that if someone needs painkillers prescribed by a doctor and becomes addicted to them, are they still under judgement? Your reply was "yes".

From then onward, every time somebody quoted a verse about judging, you replied with part of a verse, taken out of context.

messianist said:
The spiritual man judge all things.

In 1 Corinthians 2 Paul is talking about the difference between human wisdom and the wisdom that is given by the Spirit. In 1 Corinthians 2:14 he says that someone who does not have the Spirit cannot accept the things that come from the Spirit of God. They are foolishness to him, he cannot understand them because they are spiritually discerned.
In the next verse he says that the spiritual man makes judgements about all things - which I feel means whether a teaching is from the Spirit or not.
We who have the Spirit are able to discern Spiritual things; whether a teaching/prophecy or whatever is from God, or whether it is something that someone has decided themselves, using their own mid and logic, which may not be controlled by the Spirit.

That verse is not a final statement on the subject of judgement.
Jesus said that we are not to judge others, Matthew 7:1-2
Jesus said that God has given him the authority to judge, John 5:27
Jesus said that if he does judge anybody, then his judgements are correct because he cam from the Father.
Paul said that at whatever point we judge someone, we are condemning ourselves, Romans 2:1.
Paul asked "why do you judge your brother?" Romans 14:10 and said we should stop passing judgement on one another, Romans 14:13.
Paul said to judge nothing, 1 Corinthians 4:5.
James asked "who are you to judge your neighbour?" James 4:12.

Now we are told to be discerning and test the spirits - which may include an element of judgement. But again, that is judging, or discerning, spiritual things as Paul said in 1 Corinthians 2:15. Scripture does not contradict itself, but we may need to look at all Scriptures on a subject, and in context, to be able to understand what it is saying on that subject - not just pull part of a verse out of context.

Your terse statement that all addicts are under judgement is not a spiritual thing, it is a matter of opinion. And it is part of a verse pulled out of context.
You have not tried to explain what Paul is saying here, especially as he says elsewhere that we are not to judge.
You have no offered any opinion/information about how someone may become addicted, or why you consider it to be a sin - just a blanket condemnation. Which you repeated:

messianist said:
Yeasha says the spiritual man judge all thing but will not be judged by no man, your lost and can't see or hear the truth blind guide.

No; PAUL, not Jesus, said the the spiritual man judges all things.
If you are going to throw around insults and basically accuse me of not being a Christian, it would sound more impressive if you got your facts straight.

messianist · Jan 16, 2020

I don't say things to impress people shows more for you thank me, I said that the scripture is in the bible not who said it, it's there and its correct.

messianist · Jan 16, 2020

Strong in Him said:
Is it possible to stop throwing around insults for 5 minutes and contribute sensibly to this thread?

The subject of the OP was; is addiction a sin or a disease?
Your first post on this thread did not give an opinion or an answer; you said:

Which sounds as if you are saying that they are a sin - though you never actually said that.
A couple of people, including myself, thought that a bit harsh, and said that we shouldn't judge others. Someone asked that if someone needs painkillers prescribed by a doctor and becomes addicted to them, are they still under judgement? Your reply was "yes".

From then onward, every time somebody quoted a verse about judging, you replied with part of a verse, taken out of context.

In 1 Corinthians 2 Paul is talking about the difference between human wisdom and the wisdom that is given by the Spirit. In 1 Corinthians 2:14 he says that someone who does not have the Spirit cannot accept the things that come from the Spirit of God. They are foolishness to him, he cannot understand them because they are spiritually discerned.
In the next verse he says that the spiritual man makes judgements about all things - which I feel means whether a teaching is from the Spirit or not.
We who have the Spirit are able to discern Spiritual things; whether a teaching/prophecy or whatever is from God, or whether it is something that someone has decided themselves, using their own mid and logic, which may not be controlled by the Spirit.

That verse is not a final statement on the subject of judgement.
Jesus said that we are not to judge others, Matthew 7:1-2
Jesus said that God has given him the authority to judge, John 5:27
Jesus said that if he does judge anybody, then his judgements are correct because he cam from the Father.
Paul said that at whatever point we judge someone, we are condemning ourselves, Romans 2:1.
Paul asked "why do you judge your brother?" Romans 14:10 and said we should stop passing judgement on one another, Romans 14:13.
Paul said to judge nothing, 1 Corinthians 4:5.
James asked "who are you to judge your neighbour?" James 4:12.

Now we are told to be discerning and test the spirits - which may include an element of judgement. But again, that is judging, or discerning, spiritual things as Paul said in 1 Corinthians 2:15. Scripture does not contradict itself, but we may need to look at all Scriptures on a subject, and in context, to be able to understand what it is saying on that subject - not just pull part of a verse out of context.

Your terse statement that all addicts are under judgement is not a spiritual thing, it is a matter of opinion. And it is part of a verse pulled out of context.
You have not tried to explain what Paul is saying here, especially as he says elsewhere that we are not to judge.
You have no offered any opinion/information about how someone may become addicted, or why you consider it to be a sin - just a blanket condemnation. Which you repeated:

No; PAUL, not Jesus, said the the spiritual man judges all things.
If you are going to throw around insults and basically accuse me of not being a Christian, it would sound more impressive if you got your facts straight.

Ps the bible is not written on opinions.

Strong in Him · Jan 16, 2020

messianist said:
Ps the bible is not written on opinions.

Never said it was.
The Bible does not mention addictions.

Sounds like you can't answer my post.

Strong in Him · Jan 16, 2020

messianist said:
I don't say things to impress people shows more for you thank me, I said that the scripture is in the bible not who said it, it's there and its correct.

Still taken out of context. Maybe you don't know what it means?

messianist · Jan 16, 2020

Strong in Him said:
Never said it was.
The Bible does not mention addictions.

Sounds like you can't answer my post.

You did mention opinions, sounds like I can't answer your post, you can't comprehend the truth,

messianist · Jan 16, 2020

messianist said:
You did mention opinions, sounds like I can't answer your post, you can't comprehend the truth,

Not taken out of context at all, I know exactly what it means.

Strong in Him · Jan 16, 2020

messianist said:
You did mention opinions,

Yes, I mentioned opinions because the OP is a question - is addiction a sin or a disease?
The answer to this will be an opinion since the Bible does not teach on the subject. It has a lot to say about putting God first, not worshipping idols etc, but does not answer the question "if someone is addicted to something, is that a sin, or something they can't help?" And that includes babies who are born with addictions and people prescribed drugs for medical conditions.

I said that you have not given any opinion, input, or insight, into this; just condemned those who are addicted as being under judgement.
I did not say the Bible doesn't give us an opinion; I said YOU have not offered one.

Kaon · Jan 16, 2020

Emsmom1 said:
Is addiction a sin or a disease? Maybe both? Curious as to what people think about this topic.

It's both, mixed with the consequences of being a carnal entity. We do not get to choose our destiny, nor do we get to dictate it. As we see, addiction is part genetic, part spiritual oppression, part "disease" and all parts carnality. To be enslaved to anything is a spiritual issue at base.

faroukfarouk · Jan 17, 2020

Strong in Him said:
Never said it was.
The Bible does not mention addictions.

Sounds like you can't answer my post.

Hi; the Bible mentioned 'inordinate affection', although addiction is more a medical type of work, right?

rayraysh · Apr 26, 2020

I can undoubtedly tell you 100% that I did not choose to be an addict. But I don't think it's a disease as such, but it does some crazy things to your brain man in the sense that even when I was abusing and no longer wished to be. I called help hotlines daily, undergo free dug rehab program, read tons of articles on addiction resource. For an addict it's a constant battle to not consume even though they don't want to and it's making them unhappy.

Carl Emerson · Apr 26, 2020

rayraysh said:
I can undoubtedly tell you 100% that I did not choose to be an addict.

Can you elaborate on this ??

Mountainmanbob · Apr 26, 2020

messianist said:
Those who have addictions are under judgment.

Not too sure about that.
One of the best preachers and teacher of our times smoked cigarettes.

Maybe cigarettes got him to heaven faster
but, I doubt that kept him out.

M

messianist · May 3, 2020

Mountainmanbob said:
Not too sure about that.
One of the best preachers and teacher of our times smoked cigarettes.

Maybe cigarettes got him to heaven faster
but, I doubt that kept him out.

M

who is the teacher you a referring to Bob?

Mountainmanbob · May 3, 2020

messianist said:
who is the teacher you a referring to Bob?

If you have the time check out the sermon.
Straight from the Book.

RC Sproul

messianist · May 3, 2020

Mountainmanbob said:
If you have the time check out the sermon.
Straight from the Book.

RC Sproul

Thank you I will look into it.

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