US Ambassador stalked and surveilled by Guiliani associate and Republican Congressional candidate

And by the way... a quid pro quo isn't illegal, it is how business and politics are done. If it were illegal, Biden would be in jail as he admitted openly of doing what you all want to crucify Trump with.

Ken Rank said:

Have you physically seen the evidence, gone through it all? Or, are you relying on somebody else telling you there is evidence?

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I've seen a fair bit of it, though how much I've seen depends on exactly which scandal we're talking about.

miamited said:

Hi kentonio,

Personally, I'm just baffled as to when we turned the corner as a nation to allow and approve of our national leader using private attorneys to go out and do 'wet' work. We have large security and investigative departments for which we pay billions of dollars in tax monies, whose job it is, to go after wrongdoers among our elected and appointed officials.

As a nation, are we really prepared for this covert operations against others by hired guns of national leaders? Just seems like a strange and dangerous place to me.

God bless,
In Christ, ted

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The "shadow diplomacy" of Gulliani and his associates is a slap in the face to our country's diplomatic corp. A highly respected Ambassador Yovanovitch was basically threatened and dismissed to get her out of the way for their unethical and corrupt dealings.

Ken Rank said:

And by the way... a quid pro quo isn't illegal, it is how business and politics are done. If it were illegal, Biden would be in jail as he admitted openly of doing what you all want to crucify Trump with.

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It's illegal when the POTUS request political favors in return for political dirt. No amount of smiley faces or deflection can change that fact.

Ken Rank said:

And by the way... a quid pro quo isn't illegal, it is how business and politics are done.

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Really? What do you think bribery is? It's a quid pro quo. Same thing with insider trading - it's illegal when the insider receives some kind of benefit for passing along the insider info.

Quid pro quo's certainly can be illegal or otherwise prohibited (say, by corporate policy) in some contexts. Preventing improper quid pro quo's is precisely why organizations have policies against employee conflicts of interest.

If it were illegal, Biden would be in jail as he admitted openly of doing what you all want to crucify Trump with.

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No, he didn't.

iluvatar5150 said:

No, he didn't.

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I have seen the video, and I am sure you have too... where Biden said he would withhold 1 BILLION in aid to the Ukraine unless they fired a certain prosecutor. They did and they got their money. It's on tape.

Ken Rank said:

I have seen the video, and I am sure you have too... where Biden said he would withhold 1 BILLION in aid to the Ukraine unless they fired a certain prosecutor. They did and they got their money. It's on tape.

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That's great. As I'm sure has been pointed out to you numerous times, the context behind Biden's demand is entirely different than it was with Trump's demand.

iluvatar5150 said:

That's great. As I'm sure has been pointed out to you numerous times, the context behind Biden's demand is entirely different than it was with Trump's demand.

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No.... Joe said we would withhold loans and aid unless they fired a prosecutor (who himself has stated he was looking into the company Hunter was working for) and they did. That is a quid pro quo and more.

Ken Rank said:

No.... Joe said we would withhold loans and aid unless they fired a prosecutor (who himself has stated he was looking into the company Hunter was working for) and they did. That is a quid pro quo and more.

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I don't know why you posted that video. I never denied that Biden made the demand. What I said was that the context behind his demand was different than it was with Trump's.

Do you know what I'm talking about when I say "the context behind Biden's demand"?

iluvatar5150 said:

I don't know why you posted that video. I never denied that Biden made the demand. What I said was that the context behind his demand was different than it was with Trump's.

Do you know what I'm talking about when I say "the context behind Biden's demand"?

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By definition, a quid pro quo is a quid pro quo. I am happy with record unemployment, especially among minorities. So sorry the last 3 years have made you so miserable. Have a great day.

Ken Rank said:

By definition, a quid pro quo is a quid pro quo.

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You just said nothing.

Quid pro quo is defined as "a favor or advantage granted or expected in return for something" - IOW, it's basically a trade. Sometimes, those exchanges are perfectly fine. When I buy a banana at the grocery store, I engage in a quid pro quo with the grocer. I engage in a quid pro quo with my employer when I agree to trade my labor to them in exchange for money.

But sometimes, those exchanges are not fine.

When I offer my plumber $1000 to fix my sewer line, it's fine.
When I offer my city councilman $1000 to fix my sewer line, it's not fine. It's bribery.

Pretending that all exchanges morally equivalent is absurd.

I am happy with record unemployment, especially among minorities. So sorry the last 3 years have made you so miserable. Have a great day.

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What are you talking about? Your post is nothing but a nonsensical deflection. You claim to dislike media sources that feed you fake news, but then you promote your own fake news and when somebody challenges it, you run away, throwing up a cloud of non sequiturs like ant-missile chaff behind an airplane?

If anything, you just advocated turning a blind eye to corruption as long as your pockets get lined.

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Have you physically seen the evidence, gone through it all? Or, are you relying on somebody else telling you there is evidence?

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This thread is about the surveillance of our ambassador to the Ukraine.
Here is some of the evidence from Lev Parnas communicating with Republican candidate Robert Hyde about Hyde's people watching her movements:

essentialsaltes said:

This thread is about the surveillance of our ambassador to the Ukraine.
Here is some of the evidence from Lev Parnas communicating with Republican candidate Robert Hyde about Hyde's people watching her movements:

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The now famous dossier was faked.... I can easily photo shop the above. And "broski?" Really?

Listen... you have a passionate dislike for Trump and conservative thought. I don't care to change your mind and you won't change mine. I like my guns, my bible, the economy, people of every color and creed, the Earth, the new China deal, and a president willing to stand up and proudly defend a great country. So I will move on now... have a great day.

miamited said:

Hi kentonio,

Personally, I'm just baffled as to when we turned the corner as a nation to allow and approve of our national leader using private attorneys to go out and do 'wet' work. We have large security and investigative departments for which we pay billions of dollars in tax monies, whose job it is, to go after wrongdoers among our elected and appointed officials.

As a nation, are we really prepared for this covert operations against others by hired guns of national leaders? Just seems like a strange and dangerous place to me.

God bless,
In Christ, ted

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The biggest problem with private people operating outside of government is that there isn't government documentation of their methods or goals. This is a true 'deep state' method.

Giuliani specifically pointed out to the Ukraine official that he was not the President's attorney but was Donald J. Trump's personal attorney while at the same time telling the public that what he was doing in the Ukraine was authorized by the State Department. If that is true then the State Department should have Rudy's documents and Rudy should have had a government-issued cell phone and used a government email server for all communications for security reasons.

Ken Rank said:

The now famous dossier was faked....

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No, the dossier is real. Any particular piece of information inside it is not necessarily credible, but no one ever attested that it was 100% true. It is not fake.

I can easily photo shop the above.

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Maybe you can, but you didn't. You can get the same document from the US Congress. I won't link to it, because people say some very naughty things about the ambassador. But if you search for "READ: Documents from Giuliani associate Lev Parnas released by House impeachment investigators" you can find it.

Listen... you have a passionate dislike for Trump and conservative thought.

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That has nothing to do with whether Lev Parnas had the Ukrainian ambassador under observation. You originally claimed to distrust media sources, so I'm providing non-media sources.

Hank77 said:

The biggest problem with private people operating outside of government is that there isn't government documentation of their methods or goals. This is a true 'deep state' method.

Giuliani specifically pointed out to the Ukraine official that he was not the President's attorney but was Donald J. Trump's personal attorney while at the same time telling the public that what he was doing in the Ukraine was authorized by the State Department. If that is true then the State Department should have Rudy's documents and Rudy should have had a government-issued cell phone and used a government email server for all communications for security reasons.

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Exactly. There is NO accountability which is the very reason Donald J Trump avoided official channels.

FBI investigators on Thursday visited both the home and business of Connecticut congressional candidate Robert Hyde, who this week was implicated in the Ukraine scandal.

The agents were seen by CNN and their presence was confirmed by a law enforcement official. They were at the home early Thursday morning in Weatogue, Connecticut, before going to Hyde's business in nearby Avon.

Hyde runs both his landscaping company and his campaign headquarters from the office. The investigators did not answer questions as to Hyde's whereabouts or why they wanted to speak with him. No other details were provided.

Text messages show Hyde was involved in efforts to surveil and remove former US Ambassador Marie Yovanovitch from her post in Kiev.

The chairman of the Connecticut Republican Party has called for Hyde to drop out of the race for the northwestern Connecticut House seat.

"It's not helpful to the President. It's not helpful to other Republican candidates. And it provides an opportunity for Democrats to raise money. It allows the opposition to label all Republicans with these comments," J.R. Romano told CNN on Wednesday.

Ken Rank said:

The outlets that have been calling for impeachment before there was evidence of anything... have an agenda and I do not listen to them. That's all... have a great day.

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Fingers in ears and a loud “Lalalalala...”!

Hyde, who told Parnas he was with a “private security” team in Kyiv, was involuntarily committed to a psychiatric hospital last year after police were called to Trump’s Doral resort outside Miami, police and court records show. Doral police said Hyde insisted his life was in danger and that he believed painters
and landscape workers were trying to harm him.

Why was this "political operative" involved with Parnas?

https://www.washingtonpost.com/worl...ae3e82-3862-11ea-a1ff-c48c1d59a4a1_story.html


Image credit - Stephen Colbert

wing2000 said:

Hyde, who told Parnas he was with a “private security” team in Kyiv, was involuntarily committed to a psychiatric hospital last year after police were called to Trump’s Doral resort outside Miami, police and court records show. Doral police said Hyde insisted his life was in danger and that he believed painters
and landscape workers were trying to harm him.

Why was this "political operative" involved with Parnas?

https://www.washingtonpost.com/worl...ae3e82-3862-11ea-a1ff-c48c1d59a4a1_story.html


Image credit - Stephen Colbert

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They may have met at Mar-a-Lago, seeing they both have been there.

Actually no. Parnas told Rachel Maddow that he met Hype at the Trump International Hotel in DC.
Parnas said he didn't take him seriously because he was always drunk.

@wing2000