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I'm probably stepping on a prickly subject, but how do folks feel about these, as well as other popular things like selfies & body image, through surgery, or building muscle to 'look good'?

If you go along with any, how do you then do what Yeshua says in Lk9v23 ?

“If anyone desires to come after Me, let him deny himself, and take up his cross daily, and follow Me."
 

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"All things are lawful for me, but not all things are helpful; all things are lawful for me, but not all things edify." 1 Corinthians 10:23 NKJV
 
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Leviticus 19:28 - Ye shall not make any cuttings in your flesh for the dead, nor print any marks upon you: I [am] the LORD.
now even though many people have tattoos i dont believe it will send them to hell because the only unforgivable sin is blasphemy of the Holy Spirit , so i think you'll even see people in heavin who have tattoos on their fleshly body right not but those tattoos wont be visible in heaven cause we will have spiritual bodies ...
 
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I'm probably stepping on a prickly subject, but how do folks feel about these, as well as other popular things like selfies & body image, through surgery, or building muscle to 'look good'?

If you go along with any, how do you then do what Yeshua says in Lk9v23 ?

“If anyone desires to come after Me, let him deny himself, and take up his cross daily, and follow Me."

For the most part, I wouldn't. If you come to Christ with these things, ok. Facial jewelry and ear plugs, I'd take them out, and let the body heal. The Scriptures don't actively prohibit these things for Christians, but much can be said about vanity and unnecessary self-decoration being harmful and kind of addictive.

Some Christians in Egypt do get small crosses tattooed on their wrists; it's a way to identify themselves with Christ, and show their Christian faith in an overwhelmingly Muslim culture.

But you think about most tattoos people get; it's like, why? Why do you want a snake bursting out of your neck and a velociraptor on your arm? You think about the spiritual implications of a lot of tattoos, and it gets weird.
 
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Whelp... lol.

My experience with tattoos is that I have some. Nowadays it seems like I see more and more people in the congregation that have them as well. I used to have piercings but I kind of “grew” out of that as a phase, but I love tattoos. Honestly it has not effected my faith at all, and I don’t think it does for most Christians.
 
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I don’t believe tattoos or piercings (beyond the ears) are positive representations of my femininity or person. While they’re viewed as expressions by some and ministry by others. I arrived at a different conclusion.

I question the necessity of articulating myself through permanent markings and wonder why my deportment and conversation aren’t enough. If I’m lacking, the solution isn’t adornment. It’s self-improvement.

Strengthening my communication skills, confidence, and manners is a wiser approach. I see little reason to maim myself with words and symbols that could be crafted by a jeweler’s hand. Embedding them in my flesh isn’t necessary.

Most importantly, I’m a holy looking glass. When people encounter me. I want to give a positive reflection of Him. The same holds true for my partner and family.

In light of my calling, I feel a greater responsibility about my appearance and the example I’m setting for others. Elegance and godliness are my aims.

~Bella
 
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I'm probably stepping on a prickly subject, but how do folks feel about these, as well as other popular things like selfies & body image, through surgery, or building muscle to 'look good'?

If you go along with any, how do you then do what Yeshua says in Lk9v23 ?

“If anyone desires to come after Me, let him deny himself, and take up his cross daily, and follow Me."
The day I got my tattoo I just happened to read Leviticus 19:28. I thought it was some kind of twisted sense of humor that I would read it after the fact and not before.

Leviticus 19:28
"You shall not make any cuts in your body for the dead nor make any tattoo marks on yourselves: I am the LORD."

Pretty plain. Blunt. Succinct.

Cr@p. Why'd He have to put that in there?

Later went on to get degrees in sociology and social psychology (with a little anthropology thrown in) to learn about ritual scarification and underlying significance of pagan practices during the Mosaic era.

The word "holy" literally means "separate." We are to be a separate people, not like all others. We are also to glorify God in all we think, say, and do. So I would ask any advocate of tattoos how scarring the body, especially if the tattoos symbolize and worldly conditions, glorifies God in a manner in which how separation for God is realized.
 
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The day I got my tattoo I just happened to read Leviticus 19:28. I thought it was some kind of twisted sense of humor that I would read it after the fact and not before.

Leviticus 19:28
"You shall not make any cuts in your body for the dead nor make any tattoo marks on yourselves: I am the LORD."

Pretty plain. Blunt. Succinct.

Cr@p. Why'd He have to put that in there?

Later went on to get degrees in sociology and social psychology (with a little anthropology thrown in) to learn about ritual scarification and underlying significance of pagan practices during the Mosaic era.

The word "holy" literally means "separate." We are to be a separate people, not like all others. We are also to glorify God in all we think, say, and do. So I would ask any advocate of tattoos how scarring the body, especially if the tattoos symbolize and worldly conditions, glorifies God in a manner in which how separation for God is realized.


So do you think that after the fact of the tattoo being done and now reading that verse that you are no longer saved?

Is this a sin that is repentance?

I believe we have a merciful God, one that saves even those with tattoos. I would have to pray about this more and read more on this. I ask in a desire to talk about the topic.

So someone with tattoos repents of their sins and asked Jesus to be their Lord and personal Savior, go through the steps of becoming involved in the Church. By this scripture that person is saved but should not get any more tattoos based on the laws of scripture.
 
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So do you think that after the fact of the tattoo being done and now reading that verse that you are no longer saved?

Is this a sin that is repentance?

I believe we have a merciful God, one that saves even those with tattoos. I would have to pray about this more and read more on this. I ask in a desire to talk about the topic.

So someone with tattoos repents of their sins and asked Jesus to be their Lord and personal Savior, go through the steps of becoming involved in the Church. By this scripture that person is saved but should not get any more tattoos based on the laws of scripture.

Salvation is not lost due to a tattoo. A tattoo could however be seen as statement along the lines of "God did not do as good a job of making me as I like so I am going to fix it with a permanent improvement on His work." . IMO if the Bible says don't do something, OT or not, and I do not have an extremely good reason ( not a rationalization or an excuse but an actual good reason) to do it anyway, I think I should not do it.
 
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So do you think that after the fact of the tattoo being done and now reading that verse that you are no longer saved?
No, of course not. 2 Peter 1: 9.

Why would you think I'd think I was not saved because of a tattoo? Really, explain that Cross Over.
Is this a sin that is repentance?
Hmmm... I can see attention to detail wasn't happening when this post was written. No sin is repentance. I assume you mean something like is this a sin from which I cannot repent and again the answer is "No," and I again I wonder why you would think I would think such a thing. Do please explain the impetus bhind these inquiries.
I believe we have a merciful God, one that saves even those with tattoos. I would have to pray about this more and read more on this. I ask in a desire to talk about the topic.

So someone with tattoos repents of their sins and asked Jesus to be their Lord and personal Savior, go through the steps of becoming involved in the Church. By this scripture that person is saved but should not get any more tattoos based on the laws of scripture.
Yep. Yep to all of it.

We are saved by grace through faith being created in Christ for good works (Eph. 2:5-10)

We are not saved by an absence of tattoos and no tattoo any Spirit regenerated person gets after having been converted from life to death can wrest the blood of Christ from its accomplishments or purpose. That's like thinking a moth can fly into a nuclear explosion and survive.


That being said, there is a difference between living in Christ and living fruitfully in Christ (John 15). We might stretch the context and say all things are lawful or permissible, but not all things are beneficial or edifying (1 Cor. 10:23). Paul wrote that because the goal is fruit-bearing, profit or edification, not what is merely permissible. All the scriptures about fruit-bearing are rooted in the first command God ever gave humanity: "Be fruitful and multiply, subdue the earth and rule over it," a command that has oft been repeated in various wordings but never a recanted.

There are of course many reasons people use to get tattoos but which one is the Spirit prompting a person, "Go get tattooed"?.

Culturally speaking, the Levitical code was intended to prevent identification with tribes and idols. The Hebrews were God's tribe, and their identity was not in the world. Their God was not a finite anthropomorphized god of man-made imagination and design and their religion was not a harvest religion ritualizing the cycles of seasons. Their identification and thereby their identity was in God alone, just as ours is in Christ alone.

Sure, you and I could get a tattoo and God might roll His eyes and utter a divine "Sheesh," but I suspect something more profoundly sad would occur on His end.

Even getting tattoos for evangelistic purposes is dubious because the best apologetic is a life well-lived and if and when God shows up during moments of proselytizing all human effort beyond the preaching of the gospel becomes irrelevant. It is never eloquent words and intellectually unassailable arguments or well-attired presentation that saves. It is God Who saves. Can he use our shortfalls to save another? Sure? Does He? Yep. Need He? Nope.

In the end I suspect the tattoos will be removed.

1 Corinthians 3:10-15
"According to the grace of God given to me, like a skilled master builder I laid a foundation, and someone else is building upon it. Let each one take care how he builds upon it. For no one can lay a foundation other than that which is laid, which is Jesus Christ. Now if anyone builds on the foundation with gold, silver, precious stones, wood, hay, straw — each one’s work will become manifest, for the Day will disclose it, because it will be revealed by fire, and the fire will test what sort of work each one has done. If the work that anyone has built on the foundation survives, he will receive a reward. If anyone’s work is burned up, he will suffer loss, though he himself will be saved, but only as through fire."

Only the things surviving testing remain. We'll all emerge charred and covered in soot (free of tattoos), even if we're still holding good works that survived because we're not perfect this side of the grave.

Romans 6:1
"What shall we say then? Are we to continue in sin that grace may abound?"

It's only a tattoo, after all.

Or shall we consider another standard?

Philippians 4:8
"Finally, brethren, whatever is true, whatever is honorable, whatever is right, whatever is pure, whatever is lovely, whatever is of good repute, if there is any excellence and if anything worthy of praise, dwell on these things."

So pure, lovely, good repute, excellent praiseworthy tattoos are okay :tonguewink:.

Let's revisit Romans 6 again.

Romans 6:1-15
"What shall we say then? Are we to continue in sin that grace may abound? By no means! How can we who died to sin still live in it? Do you not know that all of us who have been baptized into Christ Jesus were baptized into his death? We were buried therefore with him by baptism into death, in order that, just as Christ was raised from the dead by the glory of the Father, we too might walk in newness of life. For if we have been united with him in a death like his, we shall certainly be united with him in a resurrection like his. We know that our old self was crucified with him in order that the body of sin might be brought to nothing, so that we would no longer be enslaved to sin. For one who has died has been set free from sin. Now if we have died with Christ, we believe that we will also live with him. We know that Christ, being raised from the dead, will never die again; death no longer has dominion over him. For the death he died he died to sin, once for all, but the life he lives he lives to God. So you also must consider yourselves dead to sin and alive to God in Christ Jesus. Let not sin therefore reign in your mortal body, to make you obey its passions. Do not present your members to sin as instruments for unrighteousness, but present yourselves to God as those who have been brought from death to life, and your members to God as instruments for righteousness. For sin will have no dominion over you, since you are not under law but under grace. What then? Are we to sin because we are not under law but under grace? By no means!"

We're all trying to find the healthy place between legalism, antinomianism, and hypocrisy. That "We..." is us, the regenerate believers in the Most High God Who purchased while we were still helpless sinners headed for destruction.

Those who don't believe and aren't regenerate? They don't fret over tattoos. This op gets discussed much differently in an atheist forum.

(my apologies for the length)
 
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In about 50 or 60 years there are going to be some odd looking old folks in nursing homes what with wrinkling and sagging and stretching of tattoos.
 
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Leviticus 19:28 - Ye shall not make any cuttings in your flesh for the dead, nor print any marks upon you: I [am] the LORD.
now even though many people have tattoos i dont believe it will send them to hell because the only unforgivable sin is blasphemy of the Holy Spirit , so i think you'll even see people in heavin who have tattoos on their fleshly body right not but those tattoos wont be visible in heaven cause we will have spiritual bodies ...

That proof text does not relate. It speaks of a specific ritual of cutting up one's body for the person who died.
 
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(I have no tattoos and will not get one).

In quoting Leviticus, seldom is it cut and dried. Context is king.

We are not under the Mosaic law to start with (Roman 7:4-7:6) so there's that to start. Add to that multiple bible commentaries agree that the people in the culture surrounding God's chosen were in the habit of marking their flesh as shows of devotion to their idols. That law, for the people of that time, was intended to keep them from compromising their devotion to God by falling into a idolatry practice.

Before you pooh-pooh that, read all of Lev 19 and look at the things that are commanded and the ones that we would never call a sin today. Reaping to the edges of a field. Harvesting grapes a second time. Keeping a worker's wages overnight (does even the church pay its employees every day?). Planting two kinds of seeds in a field (there goes the typical garden). Wear clothing of two kinds of material. Eating meat with blood in it. Cutting the hair on the sides of your head or clipping the edges of your beard. etc.

Instead, ask why you would be getting the tattoo and what the content of it says to the world. Where is your heart.
 
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The day I got my tattoo I just happened to read Leviticus 19:28. I thought it was some kind of twisted sense of humor that I would read it after the fact and not before.

Leviticus 19:28
"You shall not make any cuts in your body for the dead nor make any tattoo marks on yourselves: I am the LORD."

Pretty plain. Blunt. Succinct.

Cr@p. Why'd He have to put that in there?

Later went on to get degrees in sociology and social psychology (with a little anthropology thrown in) to learn about ritual scarification and underlying significance of pagan practices during the Mosaic era.

The word "holy" literally means "separate." We are to be a separate people, not like all others. We are also to glorify God in all we think, say, and do. So I would ask any advocate of tattoos how scarring the body, especially if the tattoos symbolize and worldly conditions, glorifies God in a manner in which how separation for God is realized.

And, that proof text has nothing to do with tattoos as people do them today.

23 “When you come into the land of Canaan and plant any kind of fruit tree, consider the fruit ritually unclean for the first three years. During that time you must not eat it. 24 In the fourth year all the fruit shall be dedicated as an offering to show your gratitude to me,[c] the Lord. 25 But in the fifth year you may eat the fruit. If you do all this, your trees will bear more fruit. I am the Lord your God.

26 “Do not eat any meat with blood still in it. Do not practice any kind of magic. 27 Do not cut the hair on the sides of your head or trim your beard 28 or tattoo yourselves or cut gashes in your body to mourn for the dead. I am the Lord.

29 “Do not disgrace your daughters by making them temple prostitutes;[d] if you do, you will turn to other gods and the land will be full of immorality. 30 Keep the Sabbath, and honor the place where I am worshiped. I am the Lord.

"Archaeology, backed by biblical texts, indicates the Canaanites would customarily slash their bodies for ritualistic purposes (1 Kings 18:28), especially to mourn their dead and honor their gods. Leviticus 19:28 seems to imply this when it says, “you will not make cuttings in your flesh, for the dead, nor print marks on you.”" YHWH wants his elect to be set apart — Warriors Of The Ruwach

The Religion of Canaan: From the Earliest Times to the Hebrew Conquest on JSTOR

Eze 9
3 Now the glory of the God of Israel had gone up from the cherub, where it had been, to the threshold of the [d]temple. And He called to the man clothed with linen, who had the writer’s inkhorn at his side; 4 and the Lord said to him, “Go through the midst of the city, through the midst of Jerusalem, and put a mark on the foreheads of the men who sigh and cry over all the abominations that are done within it.”

5 To the others He said in my [e]hearing, “Go after him through the city and kill;[f] do not let your eye spare, nor have any pity. 6 Utterly[g] slay old and young men, maidens and little children and women; but do not come near anyone on whom is the mark; and begin at My sanctuary.” So they began with the elders who were before the [h]temple. 7 Then He said to them, “Defile the temple, and fill the courts with the slain. Go out!” And they went out and killed in the city.

8 So it was, that while they were killing them, I was left alone; and I fell on my face and cried out, and said, “Ah, Lord God! Will You destroy all the remnant of Israel in pouring out Your fury on Jerusalem?”
 
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short answer to above post, canaanites, put marks on their body(not ink under the skin) in honor of their gods. In Eze 9, God directed that those who were faithful to him receive a mark on their skin to him. The marks contained the name of one's God. Canaanites also had skin markings for the god of the dead, named Mot.
 
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So do you think that after the fact of the tattoo being done and now reading that verse that you are no longer saved?

Is this a sin that is repentance?

I believe we have a merciful God, one that saves even those with tattoos. I would have to pray about this more and read more on this. I ask in a desire to talk about the topic.

So someone with tattoos repents of their sins and asked Jesus to be their Lord and personal Savior, go through the steps of becoming involved in the Church. By this scripture that person is saved but should not get any more tattoos based on the laws of scripture.

There are Christians who use Tattoos as a means of conversations about Jesus.
 
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In about 50 or 60 years there are going to be some odd looking old folks in nursing homes what with wrinkling and sagging and stretching of tattoos.

Love it,
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When I first started teaching my first principal was a WW2 navy vet. He had a buxom young lady in a modest bikini tattooed on one arm. He told me that when he became a teacher "I had to dress her up a bit".
 
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I dont see anything wrong with piercings or tattoos but they are not for me.
I am scared of needles and do have two holes in my ear but am not sure about getting any other piercings.
 
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When I first started teaching my first principal was a WW2 navy vet. He had a buxom young lady in a modest bikini tattooed on one arm. He told me that when he became a teacher "I had to dress her up a bit".
@JackRT Well, exactly; the person tattooing the bikini on the figure was actually an act of modesty.

While some ppl might even complain about bikinis, yet in fact some bikinis are actually more modest than some stringy one-piece creations.
 
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