What would happen to the creation/evolution debate...

FrumiousBandersnatch said:

Ultimately, unless you do the research yourself, it will always be claims - but, being scientific research, you can find the original papers and judge the quality of the claims, and if you're prepared to, you can use them to perform the same or similar research yourself to confirm the results. Not really necessary in this case, as similar research has been done many times.

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Well, you should post the relevant bit from the papers then. We would then see it is a joke that is worded in scientific terms. Nothing in biology can establish that processes we see today such as adapting and evolving are responsible for life on earth, period.

pitabread said:

Of course. Even a cursory search on Google Scholar demonstrates that.

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And so you searched, and posted nothing, because..?

I pointed you to educational resources on the subject of biology and evolution.

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I pointed out to you that belief based tales are not educational.

The best way to understand how evolution is supported by evidence is to start by learning about the theory of evolution.

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The best way to learn about that is for you to post a microsmidgion of biology that claims to show you are related to flatworms and bananas. Then we will learn why the claim is laughable.

pitabread said:

You can do your own search. Go to Google Scholar and type in "evolution".

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I do not need to because I am aware of what biology can deal with. You do need to if you want to find some site that shows biology really does connect you to your imagined shared ancestor with a flatworm or banana. I say there is no link and you can't, and that if you do it will be decimated and exposed as belief-based.

If you want to dismiss modern biology as "belief based tales", by all means

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When it comes to some connection with TOE, yes. Totally dismissed.

. That doesn't change the fact that the theory of evolution is foundational to modern biology and has real world applications.

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That is not a fact. The only aspects of evolution that biology deals with are recent evolution. If you claim it deals with imagined ancient ancestors such as the ones cited, then show us the material.

And thus it continues to be taught as part of an education requirement in the science of biology.

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And in Daniel's day, it was mandatory to bow to idols...so?

If all you're trying to do is bait people to post things so you can handwave them away, I'll pass thanks.

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You cannot post anything that is not belief based, so stop pretending. Really.

But if you ever want to learn about biology and evolution, the educational resources in that thread I linked will always be there.

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If I wanted to learn other religions I may get back to you. Don't hold your breath.

pitabread said:

Creationism as used on this forum refers to those who reject evolution as an explanation for diversity of life.

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If that's the case then that's what's causing some of the problems in the conversations.

dad said:

I do not need to because I am aware of what biology can deal with.

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It doesn't seem like it after reading your posts on the topic, just a constant stream of snide innuendo and derogatory language.

dad said:

When it comes to some connection with TOE, yes. Totally dismissed.

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You are welcome to your opinion. Don't make the mistake of believing that it has any relevance outside of your little bubble though.

dad said:

That is not a fact. The only aspects of evolution that biology deals with are recent evolution. If you claim it deals with imagined ancient ancestors such as the ones cited, then show us the material.

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I've read many articles dealing with exactly what he was referring, are you not aware of how the TOE is used in medical research? It's bizarre that you should make such statements when you are apparently so ignorant on the topic.

dad said:

Nothing in biology can establish that processes we see today such as adapting and evolving are responsible for life on earth, period.

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Agreed. Science makes no such claim.

Jimmy D said:

It doesn't seem like it after reading your posts on the topic, just a constant stream of snide innuendo and derogatory language.

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While I may not tend to be as worshipful toward science beliefs as you might like, but I do look at the substance of what is posted.

You are welcome to your opinion. Don't make the mistake of believing that it has any relevance outside of your little bubble though.

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Thanks for your opinion.

I've read many articles dealing with exactly what he was referring, are you not aware of how the TOE is used in medical research?

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It is not used.
As I mentioned, any evolution used is only that which occurs now, so it is irrelevant to your claimed shared ancestors with bananas.

pitabread said:

Yes, yes it really is.

But this where creationists get stuck; it's the cycle of creationist denialism. At the end of the day it doesn't matter what you are presented with; you'll just keep handwaving and denying.

It's rare to find a creationist (like Todd Wood) who is upfront and honest about the reality of the science of biology. I don't think most creationists could handle it.

The truth about evolution

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Then produce relevant quotes and a link that they come from. Produce the goods.

FrumiousBandersnatch said:

Agreed. Science makes no such claim.

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No relation to TOE then, OK.

pitabread said:

The best place to start with this is the educational resources I linked. That way you can develop the requisite understanding of the subject matter needed. The choice is up to you.

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I saw nothing in any of them that was anything but belief based. Post the relevant quote from one link if you claim otherwise.

dad said:

No relation to TOE then, OK.

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The TOE is an explanation for the diversity of life, not its existence.

dad said:

I saw nothing in any of them that was anything but belief based.

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To a man with a hammer everything looks like a nail

FrumiousBandersnatch said:

The TOE is an explanation for the diversity of life, not its existence.

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It explains you are related to worms and bananas. That is an explanation of life.

dad said:

It explains you are related to worms and bananas. That is an explanation of life.

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But it's not an explanation for the origin of life--it's an explanation for how life has changed and diversified over time since it originated. That life has changed and diversified over time is a fact. The theory of evolution is an explanation of that fact.

That life exists is a fact. The explanation of that fact rests with another scientific discipline called abiogenesis.

MoreQuestions said:

If that's the case then that's what's causing some of the problems in the conversations.

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That is not the case. The term is used for a broad array of things and often if not most often is associated with attributing man and all life on earth to the process of evolution itself.

dad said:

That is not the case. The term is used for a broad array of things and often if not most often is associated with attributing man and all life on earth to the process of evolution itself.

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I think you just made my point for me.
A term that is used for a broad array of things (as you state) by definition is a cause of confusion.