Why many people here use word girlfriend/boyfriend?

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Properly, marriage is ordained by God, and no man mess with that marriage for thus Lord Jesus, Whose Name is the Word of God (Revelation 19:13), says "Have you not read that He who created [them] from the beginning MADE THEM MALE AND FEMALE, and said, 'FOR THIS REASON A MAN SHALL LEAVE HIS FATHER AND MOTHER AND BE JOINED TO HIS WIFE, AND THE TWO SHALL BECOME ONE FLESH'? So they are no longer two, but one flesh. What therefore God has joined together, let no man separate" (Matthew 19:4-6).

Marriage is a picture of Christ and the Assembly (Ephesians 5:22-33).

Adultery is unfaithfulness to marriage as ordained by God (Exodus 20:14) for thus says Jesus, Lord and God (John 20:28), "You have heard that it was said, 'YOU SHALL NOT COMMIT ADULTERY'; but I say to you that everyone who looks at a woman with lust for her has already committed adultery with her in his heart" (Matthew 5:27-28).

Amorous kissing (romantic kissing) between consenting people is sexual activity (Song of Solomon 1:2, and the continuing description throughout the book).

If the consenting people are not married then the people engage in adultery, even under the circumstance that the consenting people have not been married to anyone - it is adultery. They defile the marriage bed (Hebrews 13:4).

People promoting that amorous kissing outside of wedlock is acceptable to God are people that promote licentiousness and dissipation (Luke 21:34, Jude 1:4, Philippians 3:18-19).

The promoters of adultery unrighteously plant stumbling blocks for children. Lord Jesus says "whoever causes one of these little ones who believe in Me to stumble, it would be better for him to have a heavy millstone hung around his neck, and to be drowned in the depth of the sea. Woe to the world because of [its] stumbling blocks! For it is inevitable that stumbling blocks come; but woe to that man through whom the stumbling block comes!" (Matthew 18:6-7)

Beware of the precepts of men which includes that amorous kissing outside of marriage is not addressed by the Word of God. Outside of marriage, romantic kissing is adultery. Do not be deceived, adulterers will not inherit the Kingdom of God (Matthew 15:8-9, 1 Corinthians 6:9-10).

"You were formerly darkness, but now you are Light in the Lord; walk as children of Light for the fruit of the Light [consists] in all goodness and righteousness and truth, proving what is well-pleasing to the Lord" (Ephesians 5:8-10).
 
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Is it? I am not so sure.

I am sure most christian couples come to their wedding day/night with a VERY strong desire to have sex. And there is a lot of thought given to setting the right mood, the right clothing, how that clothing is going on and coming back off. That is NOT lust at all.
Honestly I always felt that this was a huge difference between lust and desire. Lust is desire but desire isn't necessarily lust. Lust I would define as a sexual desire for someone you aren't married two whereas desire toward your spouse is not only good but encouraged by Scripture. I desire my husband; I don't lust after him because having a sexual desire toward my spouse isn't sinful!
 
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Honestly I always felt that this was a huge difference between lust and desire. Lust is desire but desire isn't necessarily lust. Lust I would define as a sexual desire for someone you aren't married two whereas desire toward your spouse is not only good but encouraged by Scripture. I desire my husband; I don't lust after him because having a sexual desire toward my spouse isn't sinful!
And therein lies the problem. People just make up meanings for words and then go off with it. There is a guy on here who wrote a very long post about how all sexual desire is evil and sinful. Even in marriage. He calls it "lust." The congregation i attended in college considered any sexual thought feeling or information BEFORE you say "I do" to be sinful lust. They literally wanted people to come to the wedding ceremony as sexual as 5 year olds. No feelings, no thoughts, no curiosity, no nothing.

That is why I insist we must go back to the words and definitions from 2000 years ago.
 
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Matthew 5:28 - But I say unto you, That whosoever looketh on a woman to lust after her hath committed adultery with her already in his heart.

You mean I've been sinning for half a century, kissing my wife?
 
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Honestly I always felt that this was a huge difference between lust and desire. Lust is desire but desire isn't necessarily lust. Lust I would define as a sexual desire for someone you aren't married two whereas desire toward your spouse is not only good but encouraged by Scripture. I desire my husband; I don't lust after him because having a sexual desire toward my spouse isn't sinful!

Of course. In fact, desiring your spouse before marriage isn't sinful; it's what a man and a woman in love feel for each other. God gave you that gift for reproduction, but also to build a sense of intimacy within the bonds of marriage.

Within marriage, He expects you to enjoy it.
 
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You mean I've been sinning for half a century, kissing my wife?
well if that's the case all of us married people are going to hell if we don't repent.
 
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And therein lies the problem. People just make up meanings for words and then go off with it. There is a guy on here who wrote a very long post about how all sexual desire is evil and sinful. Even in marriage. He calls it "lust." The congregation i attended in college considered any sexual thought feeling or information BEFORE you say "I do" to be sinful lust. They literally wanted people to come to the wedding ceremony as sexual as 5 year olds. No feelings, no thoughts, no curiosity, no nothing.

That's just insane. Hard to believe anyone is that unrealistic and out of touch with God's purposes for marriage.
 
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Of course. In fact, desiring your spouse before marriage isn't sinful; it's what a man and a woman in love feel for each other. God gave you that gift for reproduction, but also to build a sense of intimacy within the bonds of marriage.

Within marriage, He expects you to enjoy it.
I have a family member who will soon be a 40-year-old virgin who will completely agree with that. He desires a wife, he desires a marital relationship with that wife, but he keeps his body and mind pure of lusting after women or sexual encounters outside of marriage. He's my hero. I can't imagine having that much faith to abstain from such for as long as he has.
 
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That's just insane. Hard to believe anyone is that unrealistic and out of touch with God's purposes for marriage.
Some people take Scriptural commands too far because the temptation is too great. I get that, sometimes you need to. If you have a history of drunkenness you should not be drinking at all or maybe even not even go to a bar as a designated driver.
The problem is when you enforce these convictions on others and elevate these rules you have made for yourself to where they are equal or greater than Scripture
 
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If you have a history of drunkenness you should not be drinking at all or maybe even not even go to a bar as a designated driver.
The problem is when you enforce these convictions on others and elevate these rules you have made for yourself to where they are equal or greater than Scripture
Example: the pastor who took over the congregation I attended in high school had been a serious drunk before coming to faith. At least half of his sermons were on the hidden sources of alcohol in your home and how by even just having it there was sinful and lost you your salvation.

To him even accidentally smelling alcohol was the sin of drunkenness.
 
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Example: the pastor who took over the congregation I attended in high school had been a serious drunk before coming to faith. At least half of his sermons were on the hidden sources of alcohol in your home and how by even just having it there was sinful and lost you your salvation.

To him even accidentally smelling alcohol was the sin of drunkenness.
A perfect example of the line between eliminating temptation and legalism. :oldthumbsup:
 
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Why many people here use word girlfriend/boyfriend?
We must live according to bible. Where in bible is used word girlfriend/boyfriend?
Is this not fornication? Fornication means to have sexual activity without being married to the human. Kiss is fornication too, because it is sexual activity. What do you think?

No, it is not Biblical but neither is your assumption true to every person. We can’t judge those outside of God, but only those who are His family on the account of sin.

Part of my testimony is how I looked for a man of God but did not find one because I didn’t ask Him. Once I did ask Him due to my utter failure on my own strength, He led me to one He saw right in His sight. We were tested for 3 years before marriage.

The walk of a Christian is not always black and white. God’s law is in black, the Holy Spirit is in white, but our walk and journey of Christ is grey until He gives us a new body. We are however a new creation, spiritually speaking.
I just mean that the Holy Spirit is always at work within us during our walk with Christ.

I hope this little analogy helps. :yellowheart:
 
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We need to relax. Need to understand that God made man and woman. And there are things that come natural. When were young it hits us like a ton of bricks. Nothing what so ever wrong with those desires, feelings. You know you can want someone so much and never think one lust thought right? If kissing for some makes you right from the start LUST.. yeah.. then YOU just stop it.
 
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Why many people here use word girlfriend/boyfriend?
We must live according to bible. Where in bible is used word girlfriend/boyfriend?
Is this not fornication? Fornication means to have sexual activity without being married to the human. Kiss is fornication too, because it is sexual activity. What do you think?

Your thread and many of the responses made me think of Solomons words in Ecclesiastes 7

Do not be overrighteous,
neither be overwise—
why destroy yourself?
17 Do not be overwicked,
and do not be a fool—
why die before your time?
18 It is good to grasp the one
and not let go of the other.
Whoever fears God will avoid all extremes
 
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I think he simply meant to say, that kissing could lead to a whole lot of things. The question is, can people kiss and leave it at just kissing? Sexual feelings can get aroused quickly especially in men. Then what next?
You are, maybe, correct in what you have said but, in complete honesty, the screen name he has chosen, like mine, is worthy of explanation when either of us follows the directions of Yashuah and seeks Righteous Judgement. i.e. th1bill is aq form of hold over from my days of singing and playing C&W and The Blues. A number of regulars on a few Christian Web Sites know my history but, essentially, that is it.

Since 1/1/90 I have only appeared at the Lecturn, teaching the Gosple or doing Special Music in Service at my Home Church and in the Prison System in Texas with the now Passed Over Gene Thomley and his Glory Bound Express.

This might sound rude but please don't do this to me again. I was not off subject but i was Fishing for truth. And May YHWH bless your Evangelical efforts as He has mine, these past thirty years or so,
 
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A perfect example of the line between eliminating temptation and legalism. :oldthumbsup:
Hi; in our Bible study we are looking at Colossians; and the believer's setting affection on things above (3.1) is not because of a list of legal rules but because of being rooted in truth and doctrine and being 'risen with Christ', and so we set our affection willingly on things above, not in order to follow a bunch om man-made rules.
 
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Hi; in our Bible study we are looking at Colossians; and the believer's setting affection on things above (3.1) is not because of a list of legal rules but because of being rooted in truth and doctrine and being 'risen with Christ', and so we set our affection willingly on things above, not in order to follow a bunch om man-made rules.
I'm not sure what that has to do with my prior post.
Eliminating temptation is where you see areas of your life that cause sin and change those areas so you won't be tempted to sin.
Legalism is where you enforce those rules you made up for yourself on others.

For example:
I had a friend growing up whose mother didn't believe in celebrating Halloween. Many Christians don't as they feel this takes part in Satanic rituals. Ok fine, that's where the Lord leads you. My friend's mom then had another baby born on October 31st. When her youngest was born she would always have her daughter's parties on Halloween, during trick-or-treating hours. She would also write on the invitations every year "This is to celebrate my daughter's birthday. NOT to celebrate Halloween." This generally meant that her daughter's friends (my sister being one of them) had two options every year: be a good friend to her daughter and go to her party or put on a fun costume and go get candy. It wasn't enough for this woman to live by her own convictions in her household, she had to enforce these beliefs on other parents and use her daughter's birthday to do so.
 
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I'm not sure what that has to do with my prior post.
Eliminating temptation is where you see areas of your life that cause sin and change those areas so you won't be tempted to sin.
Legalism is where you enforce those rules you made up for yourself on others.

For example:
I had a friend growing up whose mother didn't believe in celebrating Halloween. Many Christians don't as they feel this takes part in Satanic rituals. Ok fine, that's where the Lord leads you. My friend's mom then had another baby born on October 31st. When her youngest was born she would always have her daughter's parties on Halloween, during trick-or-treating hours. She would also write on the invitations every year "This is to celebrate my daughter's birthday. NOT to celebrate Halloween." This generally meant that her daughter's friends (my sister being one of them) had two options every year: be a good friend to her daughter and go to her party or put on a fun costume and go get candy. It wasn't enough for this woman to live by her own convictions in her household, she had to enforce these beliefs on other parents and use her daughter's birthday to do so.
@barefeetonholyground
Thanks for your comment! (in the Colossians passage mentioned Paul also talks about legalism in the surrounding verses.)
 
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