What would happen to the creation/evolution debate...

dad · Jan 14, 2020

pitabread said:
And you're completely wrong about that.

Show me some biology (101 or otherwise) that supports you being related to a banana?

FrumiousBandersnatch · Jan 14, 2020

dad said:
Show me some biology (101 or otherwise) that supports you being related to a banana?

Here's a 101 article.

pitabread · Jan 14, 2020

dad said:
Show me some biology (101 or otherwise) that supports you being related to a banana?

Educational resources for learning about biology and evolution

dad · Jan 14, 2020

FrumiousBandersnatch said:
Here's a 101 article.

From your link

"So, when people repeat the percentage as being "a similarity of DNA," actually what the research looked at was the similarity of gene products. "It's a pretty minor mistake," Dr. Brody reassures. "The kernel that you would take home is that we have something in common with a banana and a potato and a pine tree. That part is true."

The article reads like a fable offering no support but making claims.

dad · Jan 14, 2020

pitabread said:
Educational resources for learning about biology and evolution

Would you like me to post a bunch of religious links also?

pitabread · Jan 14, 2020

dad said:
Would you like me to post a bunch of religious links also?

Hey, you're the one who asked me.

If you're not actually interested in the answers (and we both know you're not), then why ask at all?

MoreQuestions · Jan 14, 2020

pitabread said:
... if everyone was required to pass an introductory Biology (university-level Biology 101) course first?

My prediction: the debate mostly disappear for two reasons.

1) I suspect a lot of creationists wouldn't have the inclination to pass such a course. Most creationists in my experience little genuine interest in science.

2) Those who did pass would likely have a lot of misconceptions about basic biology and evolution cleared up in the first place. Given there is a correlation between understanding of evolution and acceptance, I suspect increased understanding would lead to a decrease in the numbers of creationists.

Wrong starting point for this discussion, I'm afraid. Evolution is an explanation of the diversity of life. It does not address how life began, so you cannot compare it to creationism which is about origins.
If you want an alternative to creationism to compare try abiogenesis.

pitabread · Jan 14, 2020

MoreQuestions said:
Wrong starting point for this discussion, I'm afraid. Evolution is an explanation of the diversity of life. It does not address how life began, so you cannot compare it to creationism which is about origins.
If you want an alternative to creationism to compare try abiogenesis.

Creationism as used on this forum refers to those who reject evolution as an explanation for diversity of life.

MoreQuestions · Jan 14, 2020

public hermit said:
I went to a private Christian university. We were taught evolution in biology class. It was not taught to us as something to be defeated or rejected, but simply as science. It is a bit befuddling to me, this debate between creation and evolution. I believe that God created all there is ex nihilo. I am convinced that something like the current theory of evolution is an accurate representation of how species came to be. I am convinced of this because I have looked at the theory and the evidence used to support it (at least I did years ago when studying such things).

So, I am a little lost in this debate. I consider myself a "creationist" but not in the sense that I deny evolution as some atheistic agenda. I realize that some atheists have used it to try and debunk the idea that God created, but to me that is simply a confusion of science and metaphysics. Finding the theory of evolution convincing has not adversely affected my faith. I know some will say it must have, but then again I know a categorical difference when I come across one. So, from my own experience, I would say education (including in biology) is really a wonderful thing. Maybe what is needed is a little more training in philosophy and nuance.

I'm not surprised you are a little lost. The original question was poor. It should have put creationism and abiogenesis up as alternatives, not evolution which only deals with diversity of life, not origins.

public hermit · Jan 14, 2020

MoreQuestions said:
I'm not surprised you are a little lost. The original question was poor. It should have put creationism and abiogenesis up as alternatives, not evolution which only deals with diversity of life, not origins.

It's been a bit, but I think that distinction was clarified in the thread.

MoreQuestions · Jan 14, 2020

Jonaitis said:
You are reading the text through your modern lens, that's the problem.

If you are right that this is a problem why has God given us this problem? Why doesn't he help everyone and issue a bible we can understand today?

pitabread · Jan 14, 2020

MoreQuestions said:
I'm not surprised you are a little lost. The original question was poor. It should have put creationism and abiogenesis up as alternatives, not evolution which only deals with diversity of life, not origins.

You're new here. Spend some time on these forums and you'll come to understand how 'creationism' is typically used here and that it most often refers to those who reject evolution as an explanation for life's diversity. Hence the dichotomy in the OP.

I'll grant there sometimes is some confusion over the meaning of the term, although I usually make an effort to clarify that in these discussions.

FrumiousBandersnatch · Jan 14, 2020

dad said:
From your link

"So, when people repeat the percentage as being "a similarity of DNA," actually what the research looked at was the similarity of gene products. "It's a pretty minor mistake," Dr. Brody reassures. "The kernel that you would take home is that we have something in common with a banana and a potato and a pine tree. That part is true."

The article reads like a fable offering no support but making claims.

Ultimately, unless you do the research yourself, it will always be claims - but, being scientific research, you can find the original papers and judge the quality of the claims, and if you're prepared to, you can use them to perform the same or similar research yourself to confirm the results. Not really necessary in this case, as similar research has been done many times.

hedrick · Jan 14, 2020

Polls are hard to interpret, because a lot depends upon how people interpret the question. This artlcles suggests that actual creation belief may be a lot less common than the a Gallup numbers show. How highly religious Americans view evolution depends on how they’re asked about it

MoreQuestions · Jan 14, 2020

NBB said:
As a 'rather sane' person ... i and others have experienced things with God and have the absolute certainty he is up there..

Where is "up there"?

MoreQuestions · Jan 14, 2020

pitabread said:
Creationism as used on this forum refers to those who reject evolution as an explanation for diversity of life.

That is not a definition of creationism. Might be a definition of a-evolutionism, but that's not what people have been saying at all.
Evolution makes no claims about origins. Please get words right.

MoreQuestions · Jan 14, 2020

public hermit said:
It's been a bit, but I think that distinction was clarified in the thread.

Maybe for some but not all!!!

pitabread · Jan 14, 2020

MoreQuestions said:
That is not a definition of creationism. Might be a definition of a-evolutionism, but that's not what people have been saying at all.
Evolution makes no claims about origins. Please get words right.

Like I said previously, you're new here. I would advise taking some time to learn how terms are used here.

I won't deny that creationism can and does have multiple meanings. Nobody here uses the term "a-evolutionism".

dad · Jan 14, 2020

pitabread said:
Hey, you're the one who asked me.

If you're not actually interested in the answers (and we both know you're not), then why ask at all?

What I was asking was for some evidence that biology covers what they claim evolved or is a product of evolution untold ages ago. I never asked whether they had oodles of claims and sites all thumping the claim.

pitabread · Jan 14, 2020

dad said:
What I was asking was for some evidence that biology covers what they claim evolved or is a product of evolution untold ages ago.

Of course. Even a cursory search on Google Scholar demonstrates that.

I never asked whether they had oodles of claims and sites all thumping the claim.

I pointed you to educational resources on the subject of biology and evolution. The best way to understand how evolution is supported by evidence is to start by learning about the theory of evolution.

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