Catalyst to the Russian War.

Dave L said:

No, you need to prove it exists. Or save it.

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Gog/Magog has not happen yet - there is no mass grave of Gog's army. It is up to you to prove that the mass grave exists, since you claim the event to be historic.

Douggg said:

Gog/Magog has not happen yet - there is no mass grave of Gog's army. It is up to you to prove that the mass grave exists, since you claim the event to be historic.

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You cannot prove this without evidence. Jesus said he game that they might have life. Satan promotes death.

Douggg said:

There is too much evidence that this is the generation that the end times events will take place.

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You think people did not see the "evidence" of world ending when wars, ignorance, plagues, famine swept across the continent ?

What they really saw was just their own misery.

Jonathan Walkerin said:

You think people did not see the "evidence" of world ending when wars, ignorance, plagues, famine swept across the continent ?

What they really saw was just their own misery.

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Israel a nation again. And Jerusalem back in the hands of the Jews. Are unique to this generation.

The technological ability for the world to see the two witnesses' bodies lying dead in the streets and seeing them come back to life and ascend to heaven - at the actual time of it happening, has not been possible for past generations.

Revelation 11:9 And they of the people and kindreds and tongues and nations shall see their dead bodies three days and an half, and shall not suffer their dead bodies to be put in graves.

10 And they that dwell upon the earth shall rejoice over them, and make merry, and shall send gifts one to another; because these two prophets tormented them that dwelt on the earth.

11 And after three days and an half the Spirit of life from God entered into them, and they stood upon their feet; and great fear fell upon them which saw them.

Dave L said:

You cannot prove this without evidence. Jesus said he game that they might have life. Satan promotes death.

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Dave, we are talking the about Gog/Magog event. The text of Ezekiel 39 says that there will be a huge grave site called Hamongog in part of Israel, which it will take 7 years to bury all the dead of Gog's army there.

You are claiming that Gog/Magog event has taken place, already back in Esther's day, no less. Therefore, the grave site must exist. But there is no such massive grave site in Israel. Because Gog/Magog has not happened yet. The burden of proof that such a grave site exists - to support your claim - is up to you.

Douggg said:

Dave, we are talking the about Gog/Magog event. The text of Ezekiel 39 says that there will be a huge grave site called Hamongog in part of Israel, which it will take 7 years to bury all the dead of Gog's army there.

You are claiming that Gog/Magog event has taken place, already back in Esther's day, no less. Therefore, the grave site must exist. But there is no such massive grave site in Israel. Because Gog/Magog has not happened yet. The burden of proof that such a grave site exists - to support your claim - is up to you.

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You need to find it. You cannot prove a negative without looking foolish.

Dave L said:

You need to find it. You cannot prove a negative without looking foolish.

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Dave, the mass grave does not exist. It is up to you to prove that it does, since you claim the Gog/Magog event has taken place already.

Douggg said:

Dave, the mass grave does not exist. It is up to you to prove that it does, since you claim the Gog/Magog event has taken place already.

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You say it does. Prove it.

Dave L said:

You say it does. Prove it.

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OK, I will prove it.
I have been to Israel and Jordan. Travelling down the Kings Highway from Amman to Aquaba, the road goes down and across a huge valley; the Wadi Mawjib, which runs into Eastern side of the Dead Sea. Anciently called the valley of Abarim, which means the valley of travelers.
I saw no cemetery or any bones there, in that dry, barren area, like a canyon almost.

I believe that one day that Ezekiel's prophecy about Gog will happen. See also Joel 2:20

Dave L said:

You say it does. Prove it.

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Dave, in every post I have made to you, I have stated that the mass grave of Gog's army does not
exist because the event has not happened yet.

It is up to you to prove that a mass grave site of Gog's army exists as a historical site full of buried dead bones on a massive scale, since you have claimed the Gog/Magog event has already happened.

Douggg said:

Israel a nation again. And Jerusalem back in the hands of the Jews. Are unique to this generation.

The technological ability for the world to see the two witnesses' bodies lying dead in the streets and seeing them come back to life and ascend to heaven - at the actual time of it happening, has not been possible for past generations.

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Is there a bible reference that end times events will start within a generation of Israel becoming a nation ? Or of two witnessses being able to be seen ascending that is being covered by CNN ?

Jonathan Walkerin said:

Is there a bible reference that end times events will start within a generation of Israel becoming a nation ? Or of two witnessses being able to be seen ascending that is being covered by CNN ?

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The parable of the fig tree in Matthew 24:32-34. The fig tree represents Jerusalem, as earlier Jesus had cursed a fig tree beside the road as he and the disciples were about to enter Jerusalem, knowing that generation would reject him. In 1967, Jerusalem came back into the hands of the Jews.

32 Now learn a parable of the fig tree; When his branch is yet tender, and putteth forth leaves, ye know that summer is nigh:

33 So likewise ye, when ye shall see all these things, know that it is near, even at the doors.

34 Verily I say unto you, This generation shall not pass, till all these things be fulfilled.


And the prophecy in Isaiah 66:7-9. It is talking about the Israel giving birth to Jesus. And then later,
when Israel becomes a nation again, her (other ) children will be delivered.


In verse 7 before she (Zion, another name for Israel, and Jerusalem) travailed, before her pain came, (which will be the pain when Israel experiences in the great tribulation in the end times, when they turn to Jesus), she was first delivered of a man child - Jesus. "Unto us, a child is born, unto us a son is given" Isaiah 9:6. Fulfilled.

In verse 8, as to when her other children would be delivered, i.e. the Jews become Christians en masse, first the nation of Israel will be born in a single day, fulfilled May 14,1948.

And then once that had happen, the pain of delivering her other children will be during the great tribulation - not far into the future.

In verse 9, God is going to make it happen.

7 Before she travailed, she brought forth; before her pain came, she was delivered of a man child.

8 Who hath heard such a thing? who hath seen such things? Shall the earth be made to bring forth in one day? or shall a nation be born at once? for as soon as Zion travailed, she brought forth her children.

9 Shall I bring to the birth, and not cause to bring forth? saith the LORD: shall I cause to bring forth, and shut the womb? saith thy God.

Or of two witnessses being able to be seen ascending that is being covered by CNN ?

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I gave you the reference of the world seeing the two witnesses come to life and ascend, in Revelation 11:9-11. Between being killed and coming back to life, it is a span of 3 1/2 days. There is no possible way in the past for that to occur and be view by the different peoples, kindreds, tongues, and nations.

9 And they of the people and kindreds and tongues and nations shall see their dead bodies three days and an half, and shall not suffer their dead bodies to be put in graves.

10 And they that dwell upon the earth shall rejoice over them, and make merry, and shall send gifts one to another; because these two prophets tormented them that dwelt on the earth.

11 And after three days and an half the Spirit of life from God entered into them, and they stood upon their feet; and great fear fell upon them which saw them.

12 And they heard a great voice from heaven saying unto them, Come up hither. And they ascended up to heaven in a cloud; and their enemies beheld them.

Douggg said:

Dave, in every post I have made to you, I have stated that the mass grave of Gog's army does not
exist because the event has not happened yet.

It is up to you to prove that a mass grave site of Gog's army exists as a historical site full of buried dead bones on a massive scale, since you have claimed the Gog/Magog event has already happened.

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You cannot say it doesn't exist because of your not being able to find it. The cosmonauts said God doesn't exist because they didn't see him while orbiting the earth.

keras said:

OK, I will prove it.
I have been to Israel and Jordan. Travelling down the Kings Highway from Amman to Aquaba, the road goes down and across a huge valley; the Wadi Mawjib, which runs into Eastern side of the Dead Sea. Anciently called the valley of Abarim, which means the valley of travelers.
I saw no cemetery or any bones there, in that dry, barren area, like a canyon almost.

I believe that one day that Ezekiel's prophecy about Gog will happen. See also Joel 2:20

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You cannot prove a negative, I didn't see it so it doesn't exist?

Dave L said:

You cannot say it doesn't exist because of your not being able to find it.

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We are talking about in the land of Israel. No one living in Israel claims a mass burial site of Gog's army exists. Even the Jews recognize that Gog/Magog has not taken place.

Dave L said:

The cosmonauts said God doesn't exist because they didn't see him while orbiting the earth.

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God did not say people would see Him if they would orbit the earth. Differently, God did say that He would destroy Gog's army and that there would be a mass grave site, naming the part of Israel as to where.

There is no archaeological evidence of the mass grave of Gog's army. Gog/Magog has not happened yet, and there is no evidence that it has.

Marilyn C said:

Around the Village of Saida, the largest secret military base in the world was uncovered.

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Got to love the quality of reporting. How would they know if it was the largest secret military base in the world ? Because others bases would by definiton be ...secret ?

Ridiculous.

Douggg said:

We are talking about in the land of Israel. No one living in Israel claims a mass burial site of Gog's army exists. Even the Jews recognize that Gog/Magog has not taken place.

God did not say people would see Him if they would orbit the earth. Differently, God did say that He would destroy Gog's army and that there would be a mass grave site, naming the part of Israel as to where.

There is no archaeological evidence of the mass grave of Gog's army. Gog/Magog has not happened yet, and there is no evidence that it has.

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It still doesn't support your claim. Have you considered the bloodshed linked to Israel? Jesus came that they might have life. Satan destroys life. Follow the money, or in this case the blood shed to know if a doctrine is true or not.

Dave L said:

It still doesn't support your claim. Have you considered the bloodshed linked to Israel? Jesus came that they might have life. Satan destroys life. Follow the money, or in this case the blood shed to know if a doctrine is true or not.

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Dave, I am not understanding your comment in regards to there not being any mass grave site for Gog's army in Israel yet.

Douggg said:

Dave, I am not understanding your comment in regards to there not being any mass grave site for Gog's army in Israel yet.

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Just follow the bloodshed, it tells us a lot.