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But you agree that Isaiah 11:6 will only happen in the future correct?

I believe it is ongoing now. It is figurative language to describe the peace that comes through the prince of peace. Paul draws several of the Old Testament prophecies relating to the removing of the global deception upon the Gentiles (ethnos) together in Romans 15:8-12 and shows how this began with the life, death and resurrection of Christ and the subsequent evangelism of the early Church. Significantly, Isaiah 11 is one of them. He declares, “Now I say that Jesus Christ was a minister of the circumcision for the truth of God, to confirm the promises made unto the fathers: And that the Gentiles might glorify God for his mercy; as it is written (in 1 Samuel 22:50), For this cause I will confess to thee among the Gentiles, and sing unto thy name. And again he saith (in Psalm 18:49), Rejoice, ye Gentiles, with his people. And again (in Deuteronomy 32:43), Praise the Lord, all ye Gentiles; and laud him, all ye people. And again (in Isaiah 11:10), Esaias saith, There shall be a root of Jesse, and he that shall rise to reign over the Gentiles; in him shall the Gentiles trust.”

Moreover, Romans 9:27-28 plainly declares, referring to Isaiah 10, Esaias also crieth concerning Israel (in Isaiah 10:20-22), Though the number of the children of Israel be as the sand of the sea, a remnant shall be saved: For he will finish the work, and cut it short in righteousness: because a short work will the Lord make upon the earth.

Parts of Isaiah 11 definitely refer to the new covenant period (as can be seen through Paul’s allusion to this chapter in Romans 9:27-28 and 15:8-12), the others parts that are under dispute refer to the “new heavens and new earth.”
 
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How do you know you have spiritualize it correctly? If you meet another with a different spiritual interpretation of lamb and wolves, who is right and who is wrong?
By allowing Scripture to inform our understanding of Scripture. These four carnivorous animals (wolf; leopard; bear; and lion) are first mentioned (at least 3 out if 4 are - the 4th isn't given a description) in the prophecy of Daniel, chapter 7. Daniel 7 Commentary - Commentary Critical and Explanatory on the Whole Bible
 
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This is totally spot on!!!

If the cross is not enough for Israel then they are damned and doomed for all eternity. But salvation is open to them today in the exact same way as it is for us. It is through the one all-sufficient sacrifice for sin on the cross 2000 years ago alone that men are saved. That is it! If they embrace the cross they will go to heaven, if reject they it they will go to hell. It is that simple! There is no other hope!

Revelation 13:8 tells us that Christ was “the Lamb slain from the foundation of the world.” He was predestined to come into this world as a substitutionary sacrifice, without which no man could be saved. 1 Peter 1:19 confirms that Christ was “a lamb without blemish and without spot: Who verily was foreordained before the foundation of the world, but was manifest in these last times for you.” There was a predetermined blueprint that Christ had to fulfil – He did perfectly.

Calvary was an important part of God's Sovereign plan for fallen-man. Our salvation was secured in eternity because God lives and works in eternity. It was experientially realized in time, because man is born and lives in time. Christ performed the Father's will for our lives - by dying for us. The Holy Spirit applied the Father's will to our lives – by convicting us and regenerating us.

Dispensationalists argue that it is all about the bloodline, and they are right, however, they focus in on the wrong bloodline. They choose the natural bloodline of Abraham instead of the ongoing blood atonement system God has provided as a means of redemption for the penitent sinners. The blood covenant provides a spiritual covering for all those who have entered into a personal experiential covenant relationship with God. This whole arrangement began in the Garden, continued through their righteous son Abel, and continues still today through the cross-work.

The Old Testament prophets predicted the manner of Messiah’s ministry and the focus of His earthly mission. They foretold the time that He would come. They described His assignment and detailed His accomplishments. They depicted a suffering servant coming to redeem Israel from their sin. They portrayed the resistance He would experience. They forecast His rejection and the cross.

The angel of the Lord summed up Christ’s mission on earth when he spoke to Joseph in a dream about the birth of Jesus in Matthew 1:20–21: “Joseph, thou son of David, fear not to take unto thee Mary thy wife: for that which is conceived in her is of the Holy Ghost. And she shall bring forth a son, and thou shalt call his name JESUS: for he shall save his people from their sins.”

Christ had a task to fulfil and goals to achieve. Everything He encountered and when He encountered it was part of a preordained plan for Him. That plan captivated His whole time on this earth from the cradle to the cross. Jesus testified in Luke 19:10: “For the Son of man is come to seek and to save that which was lost.” Jesus was a man on a mission. He came to help fallen man. 1 Timothy 1:15 declares, “This is a faithful saying, and worthy of all acceptation, that Christ Jesus came into the world to save sinners.”

Christ actually came to rescue us and save us from our sin. He knew our predicament and He came to help. He came for the broken, the hurting, the broken, the confused and the lost. He came to rescue people in a fallen state. Jesus tells us in John 3:16-17: “For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life. For God sent not his Son into the world to condemn the world; but that the world through him might be saved.”

When Jesus came 2000 years ago He was on a mission of love from start to finish. Heaven couldn’t have given mankind a greater gift. His whole life was love: every word He said and every deed He did was saturated in love. His death was the final and eternal seal of that love pertaining to His ministry on this earth.

Those old covenant saints that had eyes to see fully grasped the spiritual assignment of the Messiah Christ. They knew that He was coming to redeem His people from their sins. The song of Mary, the Magnificat, shows that, connecting Christ’s birth to the fulfilment of His mission, to save His people. Mary praises Him: “My soul doth magnify the Lord, And my spirit hath rejoiced in God my Saviour” (Luke 1:46-47).

John the Baptist’s father Zacharias, who was filled with the Holy Ghost, prophesied in Luke 1:68-75: “Blessed be the Lord God of Israel; for he hath visited and redeemed his people, And hath raised up an horn of salvation for us in the house of his servant David; As he spake by the mouth of his holy prophets, which have been since the world began: That we should be saved from our enemies, and from the hand of all that hate us; To perform the mercy promised to our fathers, and to remember his holy covenant; The oath which he sware to our father Abraham, That he would grant unto us, that we being delivered out of the hand of our enemies might serve him without fear, In holiness and righteousness before him, all the days of our life.”

The elect remnant of Israel had a spiritual awareness of Christ’s mission. Redemption was the central aspect of Messiah’s mission to earth. Israel needed the sin question addressed more than any other issue. This was man’s greatest affliction. Right was His birth redemption was the great spiritual assignment laid upon His shoulders.

The coming redeemer was anticipated by Simeon who faithfully waited for His appearing in Luke 2:30-35, where he acknowledged: “For mine eyes have seen thy salvation, Which thou hast prepared before the face of all people; A light to lighten the Gentiles, and the glory of thy people Israel … Behold, this child is set for the fall and rising again of many in Israel; and for a sign which shall be spoken against; (Yea, a sword shall pierce through thy own soul also,) that the thoughts of many hearts may be revealed.”

Redemption was no secondary thought. It was no Plan B. It was the duty Jesus came to realize and He accomplished it perfectly. Anna, the prophetess, announced the same in Luke 2:38: “she coming in that instant gave thanks likewise unto the Lord, and spake of him to all them that looked for redemption in Jerusalem.” Obviously, those who knew the Old Testament Scriptures, and were blessed with eyes to see, were fully aware that redemption was at the forefront of the Messiah’s ministry. The enlightened old covenant saints awaited the promised redeemer with great anticipation. This was central to their faith and necessary for their eternal redemption.

The language of Messianic fulfilment is written throughout the New Testament pages. John the Baptist introduced Christ in John 1:31, as “he that was to be … made manifest to Israel.” Simeon testified He was the “consolation of Israel” (Luke 2:25). Paul describes Him in Acts 28:20 as “the hope of Israel.” He is the eternal fulfilment of the vision and prophecy.

John the Baptist introduced Christ in John 1:29-30: “Behold the Lamb of God, which taketh away the sin of the world. This is he of whom I said, After me cometh a man which is preferred before me: for he was before me.”

John the Baptist was familiar with Old Testament prophecy, as that is all he had. He recognized that animal sacrifices were coming to an end because Jesus Christ, the ultimate and perfect sacrifice, had arrived. He was the desire of every true Israelite from the beginning.

Christ’s focus and His mission were to redeem His people. This was central to His Gospel message. He told the disciples in Mark 8:27-31 (paralleling Matthew 16:21 and Luke 9:22): “And he began to teach them, that the Son of man must suffer many things, and be rejected of the elders, and of the chief priests, and scribes, and be killed, and after three days rise again.”

Christ perfectly succeeded in His mission. Contrary to false Dispy teaching, Jesus did not come to set up a literal physical earthly Davidic kingdom, He came to die for our sins. This is another of countless fallacies that are attached to Dispensationalism.

sovereigngrace,

1. It is not totally spot on.
Why do you persist on spreading lies about dispensations belief when you know good and well your false accusation that we think the Cross was not enough for Israel.
It is downright insulting to think such a thing lot alone say it over and over again and again like a broken record. You ought to be ashamed of such atrocity.

2. The Cross was the fulfillment of the 1st prophecy in Genesis 3:15.
Spiritually, there is no other way to be saved than the blood of Jesus who died on Calvary Matthew 28:26; Hebrews 9:22.
So you are wrong on this point in what you say dispensationalists believe.
Israel has to be forgiven their sins under the New Covenant as a nation Jeremiah 31:31-34; Romans 11:25-29; Hebrews 8:7-13.
This couldn’t happen under Jesus ministry


3. Since we believe that Calvary was and is enough and will always be enough Romans 1:16.

4. Dispensationalists believe that Israel has the same opportunity to be saved by the New Covenant as anyone else.
Dispensationalists believe if they accept Christ they will go to Heaven and if they reject they will be damned forever. It’s either Heaven or Hell. That’s it. He is the only hope!

5. Revelation 13:8 and 1 Peter 1:19 we believe the same as you that Christ was predestined to become the Savior for the world by the death of the Cross and that he would fulfill just that and he did that.

6. Dispensationalists do not believe that the physical bloodline is the ongoing atonement system. That is your fabrication of the position.
Romans 3:2; Physical Israel was committed with the oracles of God.
Matthew 21:43-44; shows the prophecy of Jesus that the spiritual aspect of the KoG would be taken away from Israel and given to a nation bringing forth the fruits because the nation of Israel rejecting Jesus gospel of the spiritual aspect of the KoG Matthew 6:33;Luke 17:20-21.
This we know is the church of Jew and Gentile Ephesians 2:14-15.

7. We believe in the blood covenant like you.
We believe in the prophets predictions about the manner of Messiah, and the focus of the suffering servant and that he was to redeem Israel.
We don’t spiritually allegorize redeeming Israel like he accomplished that in his ministry which was not true because they rejected him Matthew 23:37-39.
You have to twist scripture and deny this scripture to make your interpretation try and stick, whether in his ministry or the early church. Matthew 1:21-23 is such an example.
Like 19:10 was prophetic to after the cross.
This is why Paul stated 1 Timothy 1:15 after the cross agrees with Luke.
His earthly ministry of the KoH was to Israel only Matthew 10:6-7. The gentiles were strangers to the Covenants Ephesians 2:12.

8. The plan b in Schafer’s context was correct.
Your accusation is that God’s plan with the Son didn’t work so he had to think of another plan and in your words above was a secondary thought.
Dispensationalism does not believe such a thing.
Just as Israel was in the plan of God to bring the Messiah to fruition Galatians 4:4 the Church was predestined before the foundation of the world Ephesians 1:3.
Isaiah 53 shows a picture of Israel rejecting Christ which was the result shown in John 1:11.

9. Matthew 16:21; Mark 8:27:31; and Luke 9:22; dispensationalists believe these scriptures. What you fail to understand is that this was not a part of the KoH and KoG message to the Jews because Israel had already rejected Jesus Matthew 23:37-39. Your time factor is off.

10. We agree in many things spiritually speaking, but like usual your post deny proper context when speaking of the physical KoH that you replace by spiritually allegorizing scriptures . This is why you cannot be consistent with the scriptures.
Jesus focus had to be on the spiritual aspect because without it they would never qualify to rule the physical KoH Luke 17:22-37.
This is clear of the end days but first Christ had to suffer and be rejected of his generation.

11. Yes Israel will be in the KoH in the future Ezekiel 37:16-28.
Isaiah 2:1-4 Isaiah wrote about the last days of Judah and Jerusalem that the mountain of the Lord’s house shall be established in the tops of the mountains and shall be exalted above the hills and all nations shall flow into it. And the Lord will rule out of Zion where the law will go forth.
This is a physical kingdom capital of the earth Isaiah 2:1-4; Zechariah 14:9 King all over the earth.
Quit making up falsehoods and being onesided. The evidence shows that is what you’re posting. Jerry Kelso
 
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sovereigngrace,

1. It is not totally spot on.
Why do you persist on spreading lies about dispensations belief when you know good and well your false accusation that we think the Cross was not enough for Israel.
It is downright insulting to think such a thing lot alone say it over and over again and again like a broken record. You ought to be ashamed of such atrocity.

2. The Cross was the fulfillment of the 1st prophecy in Genesis 3:15.
Spiritually, there is no other way to be saved than the blood of Jesus who died on Calvary Matthew 28:26; Hebrews 9:22.
So you are wrong on this point in what you say dispensationalists believe.
Israel has to be forgiven their sins under the New Covenant as a nation Jeremiah 31:31-34; Romans 11:25-29; Hebrews 8:7-13.
This couldn’t happen under Jesus ministry


3. Since we believe that Calvary was and is enough and will always be enough Romans 1:16.

4. Dispensationalists believe that Israel has the same opportunity to be saved by the New Covenant as anyone else.
Dispensationalists believe if they accept Christ they will go to Heaven and if they reject they will be damned forever. It’s either Heaven or Hell. That’s it. He is the only hope!

5. Revelation 13:8 and 1 Peter 1:19 we believe the same as you that Christ was predestined to become the Savior for the world by the death of the Cross and that he would fulfill just that and he did that.

6. Dispensationalists do not believe that the physical bloodline is the ongoing atonement system. That is your fabrication of the position.
Romans 3:2; Physical Israel was committed with the oracles of God.
Matthew 21:43-44; shows the prophecy of Jesus that the spiritual aspect of the KoG would be taken away from Israel and given to a nation bringing forth the fruits because the nation of Israel rejecting Jesus gospel of the spiritual aspect of the KoG Matthew 6:33;Luke 17:20-21.
This we know is the church of Jew and Gentile Ephesians 2:14-15.

7. We believe in the blood covenant like you.
We believe in the prophets predictions about the manner of Messiah, and the focus of the suffering servant and that he was to redeem Israel.
We don’t spiritually allegorize redeeming Israel like he accomplished that in his ministry which was not true because they rejected him Matthew 23:37-39.
You have to twist scripture and deny this scripture to make your interpretation try and stick, whether in his ministry or the early church. Matthew 1:21-23 is such an example.
Like 19:10 was prophetic to after the cross.
This is why Paul stated 1 Timothy 1:15 after the cross agrees with Luke.
His earthly ministry of the KoH was to Israel only Matthew 10:6-7. The gentiles were strangers to the Covenants Ephesians 2:12.

8. The plan b in Schafer’s context was correct.
Your accusation is that God’s plan with the Son didn’t work so he had to think of another plan and in your words above was a secondary thought.
Dispensationalism does not believe such a thing.
Just as Israel was in the plan of God to bring the Messiah to fruition Galatians 4:4 the Church was predestined before the foundation of the world Ephesians 1:3.
Isaiah 53 shows a picture of Israel rejecting Christ which was the result shown in John 1:11.

9. Matthew 16:21; Mark 8:27:31; and Luke 9:22; dispensationalists believe these scriptures. What you fail to understand is that this was not a part of the KoH and KoG message to the Jews because Israel had already rejected Jesus Matthew 23:37-39. Your time factor is off.

10. We agree in many things spiritually speaking, but like usual your post deny proper context when speaking of the physical KoH that you replace by spiritually allegorizing scriptures . This is why you cannot be consistent with the scriptures.
Jesus focus had to be on the spiritual aspect because without it they would never qualify to rule the physical KoH Luke 17:22-37.
This is clear of the end days but first Christ had to suffer and be rejected of his generation.

11. Yes Israel will be in the KoH in the future Ezekiel 37:16-28.
Isaiah 2:1-4 Isaiah wrote about the last days of Judah and Jerusalem that the mountain of the Lord’s house shall be established in the tops of the mountains and shall be exalted above the hills and all nations shall flow into it. And the Lord will rule out of Zion where the law will go forth.
This is a physical kingdom capital of the earth Isaiah 2:1-4; Zechariah 14:9 King all over the earth.
Quit making up falsehoods and being onesided. The evidence shows that is what you’re posting. Jerry Kelso

Do you believe in the rebuilding of the demolished Jewish temple in your so-called future millennium?
Do you advocate the return of animal sacrifices as sin offerings in the future in your so-called future millennium?
Do you hold to the restoration of the old covenant priesthood in your so-called future millennium?
 
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By allowing Scripture to inform our understanding of Scripture. These four carnivorous animals (wolf; leopard; bear; and lion) are first mentioned (at least 3 out if 4 are - the 4th isn't given a description) in the prophecy of Daniel, chapter 7. Daniel 7 Commentary - Commentary Critical and Explanatory on the Whole Bible

I guess if you prefer to spiritualize a passage instead of taking the literal meaning, there will be plenty of ways for it to be justified.

Okay then, we can agree to disagree.
 
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Do you believe in the rebuilding of the demolished Jewish temple in your so-called future millennium?
Do you advocate the return of animal sacrifices as sin offerings in the future in your so-called future millennium?
Do you hold to the restoration of the old covenant priesthood in your so-called future millennium?

sovereign grace,

1. There is no scripture that says or advocates for animal sacrifices as sin offerings in the future of the millennium?
Do you believe the feasts of the Lord are forever?

2. Exodus 29:9; 40:15; Numbers 25:11-13; 1 Chronicles 23:13. What do you think? Jerry Kelso
 
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sovereign grace,

1. There is no scripture that says or advocates for animal sacrifices as sin offerings in the future of the millennium?
Do you believe the feasts of the Lord are forever?

2. Exodus 29:9; 40:15; Numbers 25:11-13; 1 Chronicles 23:13. What do you think? Jerry Kelso

So what is the purpose for the mass slaughter of innocent animals in your future millennium?

Christ abolished the whole old covenant arrangement through Calvary. Premils promote its full restoration in their future millennium and totally negate the cross-work in doing so.

The ceremonial law was simply a signpost to Christ. No more. The cross removed this imperfect system. The shadow and the temporal could only remain until the real and eternal arrived. Why would God restore animal sacrifices when He sent His Son to make one final all-sufficient sacrifice for sin? After Christ comes there is no need for the typical sacrifices on the new earth? The fulfilment, the reality, the substance, will be in the midst of God's people. The shadow has been long discarded.

Hebrews 10:5-6 tells us, Sacrifice and offering thou wouldest not, but a body hast thou prepared me: In burnt offerings and sacrifices for sin thou hast had no pleasure.”

There is no room in the plan of God for the return of the imperfect Old Testament sacrifices. Once Christ (the final sacrifice) came and fulfilled His destiny by dying for man’s sin the former was done away. The old has been eternally abolished. God took upon human form. The Son of God being perfect could testify: “a body hast thou prepared me.” That body was perfect and His sacrifice was the sacrifice of sacrifices – the one that ended all the old covenant sacrifices.

Hebrews 10:8-10 confirms: Sacrifice and offering and burnt offerings and offering for sin thou wouldest not, neither hadst pleasure therein; which are offered by the law; Then said he, Lo, I come to do thy will, O God. He taketh away the first, that he may establish the second. By the which will we are sanctified through the offering of the body of Jesus Christ once for all.”

The old covenant was temporal and imperfect and could never satisfy God’s eternal plan for man. It has now been replaced by the new covenant with its focus upon the one individual all-sufficient perfect eternal sacrifice. The New Testament disallows the re-introduction of the abolished sacrifices and offerings. Christ is that final offering for sin.

Hebrews 10:14-20 then affirms, For by one offering he hath perfected for ever them that are sanctified. Whereof the Holy Ghost also is a witness to us: for after that he had said before, This is the covenant that I will make with them after those days, saith the Lord, I will put my laws into their hearts, and in their minds will I write them; And their sins and iniquities will I remember no more. Now where remission of these is, there is no more offering for sin. Having therefore, brethren, boldness to enter into the holiest by the blood of Jesus, By a new and living way, which he hath consecrated for us, through the veil, that is to say, his flesh.”
 
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So what is the purpose for the mass slaughter of innocent animals in your future millennium?

Christ abolished the whole old covenant arrangement through Calvary. Premils promote its full restoration in their future millennium and totally negate the cross-work in doing so.

The ceremonial law was simply a signpost to Christ. No more. The cross removed this imperfect system. The shadow and the temporal could only remain until the real and eternal arrived. Why would God restore animal sacrifices when He sent His Son to make one final all-sufficient sacrifice for sin? After Christ comes there is no need for the typical sacrifices on the new earth? The fulfilment, the reality, the substance, will be in the midst of God's people. The shadow has been long discarded.

Hebrews 10:5-6 tells us, Sacrifice and offering thou wouldest not, but a body hast thou prepared me: In burnt offerings and sacrifices for sin thou hast had no pleasure.”

There is no room in the plan of God for the return of the imperfect Old Testament sacrifices. Once Christ (the final sacrifice) came and fulfilled His destiny by dying for man’s sin the former was done away. The old has been eternally abolished. God took upon human form. The Son of God being perfect could testify: “a body hast thou prepared me.” That body was perfect and His sacrifice was the sacrifice of sacrifices – the one that ended all the old covenant sacrifices.

Hebrews 10:8-10 confirms: Sacrifice and offering and burnt offerings and offering for sin thou wouldest not, neither hadst pleasure therein; which are offered by the law; Then said he, Lo, I come to do thy will, O God. He taketh away the first, that he may establish the second. By the which will we are sanctified through the offering of the body of Jesus Christ once for all.”

The old covenant was temporal and imperfect and could never satisfy God’s eternal plan for man. It has now been replaced by the new covenant with its focus upon the one individual all-sufficient perfect eternal sacrifice. The New Testament disallows the re-introduction of the abolished sacrifices and offerings. Christ is that final offering for sin.

Hebrews 10:14-20 then affirms, For by one offering he hath perfected for ever them that are sanctified. Whereof the Holy Ghost also is a witness to us: for after that he had said before, This is the covenant that I will make with them after those days, saith the Lord, I will put my laws into their hearts, and in their minds will I write them; And their sins and iniquities will I remember no more. Now where remission of these is, there is no more offering for sin. Having therefore, brethren, boldness to enter into the holiest by the blood of Jesus, By a new and living way, which he hath consecrated for us, through the veil, that is to say, his flesh.”

sovereigngrace,

1. Answer the question yes or no, do you believe the feasts of the Lord are forever. I already gave you scripture.

2. You stated a falsehood again saying that premills believe in animal sacrifices
for salvation and negates the work of the cross.
Instead of giving dissertations about everything you think you know you need to concentrate on trying to understand why the Bible say the Levitical priesthood is to be forever and how you reconcile it with the fact of the old covenant law of Moses which the Bible says has been abolished. Can you solve a paradox? Jerry Kelso
 
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2. You stated a falsehood again saying that premills believe in animal sacrifices
for salvation and negates the work of the cross.
Instead of giving dissertations about everything you think you know you need to concentrate on trying to understand why the Bible say the Leviticus priesthood is to be forever and how you reconcile it with the fact of the old covenant law of Moses which the Bible says has been abolished. Can you solve a paradox? Jerry Kelso

Well many premils I have been in contact with on various forums say there will be animal sacrifices. When I ask how can that be when Josephus tells us that the house of archives was burnt down and all the gealogies were destroyed, so no one could prove they were a priest. They replied that they can prove it by their DNA. I doubt that would satisfy Ezra who disallowed any priests who could not prove their genealogy.

Also Plan B is also part of their teaching.
 
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Well many premils I have been in contact with on various forums say there will be animal sacrifices. When I ask how can that be when Josephus tells us that the house of archives was burnt down and all the gealogies were destroyed, so no one could prove they were a priest. They replied that they can prove it by their DNA. I doubt that would satisfy Ezra who disallowed any priests who could not prove their genealogy.

Also Plan B is also part of their teaching.

davidkent,

1. Do you understand what it means that the levitical priesthood was forever.
It is a paradox with the fact the Mosaic law was abolished at Calvary. Can you reconcile both of these truths?

2. Plan b in Schafer’s words is not wrong if you understand his context,
Dispensationalists don’t believe in a plan b according to wrong accusations of premills. It was not a secondary thought or an afterthought or a mistake or God changing his mind.
I have already given the scriptures for these in past posts.

2. Josephus and Ezra will not be at the end times. Elijah and Christ will and they will take care of that. Christ knows all. Jerry Kelso
 
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davidkent,

1. Do you understand what it means that the levitical priesthood was forever.
It is a paradox with the fact the Mosaic law was abolished at Calvary. Can you reconcile both of these truths?

I suggest you read Hebrews 7.
 
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I suggest you read Hebrews 7.

davidkent,

1. I know what Hebrews 7 says and I agree that the Melchizedek priesthood replaced the Levitical priesthood.

2. Do you understand what a paradox is?
If you don’t is why you can’t figure it out.
Jerry Kelso
 
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sovereigngrace,

1. Answer the question yes or no, do you believe the feasts of the Lord are forever. I already gave you scripture.

Do you even read my replies? No, they are gone forever. I have showed you how NT Scripture forbids your obsession with the old covenant and your desire to start future sin offerings.

2. You stated a falsehood again saying that premills believe in animal sacrifices
for salvation and negates the work of the cross.
Instead of giving dissertations about everything you think you know you need to concentrate on trying to understand why the Bible say the Levitical priesthood is to be forever and how you reconcile it with the fact of the old covenant law of Moses which the Bible says has been abolished. Can you solve a paradox?

Hebrews 7:11-12 tells us, If therefore perfection were by the Levitical priesthood, (for under it the people received the law,) what further need was there that another priest should rise after the order of Melchisedec, and not be called after the order of Aaron? For the priesthood being changed, there is made of necessity a change also of the law.”

The priesthood has been changed; and having been changed there was a change triggered in the law (“there is made of necessity a change also of the law”). Whilst the written law is still active, the whole old covenant ceremonial system was superseded by a new better covenant.

The Greek word for “changed” here is metatithemi which actually means transferred or exchanged. This shows that old temporal imperfect priesthood has been exchanged for the new perfect eternal priesthood in Christ. The deficient shadow and type has been replaced by Israel’s eternal high priest the Messiah and will never again be changed, undone or rivalled by a parallel priesthood. It is an eternal transfer of influence. Christ will not (or cannot) share this office with another, neither can He hand the baton over to others. He holds it firm and alone as of right and by way of an everlasting oath. Those that purport to steal this sacred title enter into the dangerous arena of heresy.

The problem with the Old Testament priestly administration was: it was inadequate. It involved men who by nature were prone to sin and who therefore fell short of what God required of them. Time after time, the high priest failed in God’s requirements through sin or compromise and consequently God judged the whole nation. Corruption eventually took a hold of the office and brought it into complete disrepute. This opened the door to idol worship and apostasy. What is more, with the blight of sin in man came death. This meant the office was continually passed from one to another.

Hebrews 7:15 clearly tells us of this new covenant period: “there ariseth another priest” – “even Jesus, made an high priest for ever after the order of Melchisedec” (Hebrews 6:20). This priest was an eternal priest ministering on behalf of the people of God.

Whilst there were many priests in the nation of Israel under the old covenant there was only ever one high priest at any one time. The office was passed on upon death from one high priest to another. Hebrews 7:21-24 says, speaking of Christ, “Thou art a priest for ever after the order of Melchisedec. By so much was Jesus made a surety of a better testament. And they truly were many priests, because they were not suffered to continue by reason of death: But this man, because he continueth ever, hath an unchangeable priesthood.”

The word interpreted “unchangeable” here is very significant. It comes from the Greek word aparabatos, which simply means non-transferable. It is a legal word. For example, it relates to a judge laying down a decision that is unalterable and non-transferable. It also describes something which belongs to one person and cannot be transferred to anyone else. This tells us, no one else can hold the Melchizedek priesthood. Christ continues alone in this role, having an unchangeable non-transferable priestly office. Unlike the old covenant priesthood, Christ has no successors in this office. This priesthood cannot pass from one to another, it is not transmissible. No other can appropriate this title or share in the function of the position, Christ alone holds that sacred high priestly office. Christ is the only real and perfect High Priest. He is the ultimate and final high priest of the redeemed of God.

Hebrews 7:16 tells us that Christ “is made, not after the law of a carnal commandment, but after the power of an endless life.”

The whole context here is the removal and the replacement of the old covenant priesthood, the writer of the Hebrews presents Christ as heavens eternal replacement. What is more, we can see that this priesthood cannot pass from one to another, it is not transferrable. No other can appropriate this title or share in the function of the position, Christ alone holds that sacred high priestly office. Christ is the only real and perfect high priest today. He is the ultimate and final High Priest of the redeemed of God.

Hebrews 7:26-28 confirms this, telling us that Christ “For such an high priest became us, who is holy, harmless, undefiled, separate from sinners, and made higher than the heavens; Who needeth needeth not daily, as those high priests, to offer up sacrifice, first for his own sins, and then for the people’s: for this he did once, when he offered up himself. For the law maketh men high priests which have infirmity; but the word of the oath, which was since the law, maketh the Son, who is consecrated for evermore.”

The Levitical priesthood had to be replaced because it was inadequate and temporal. The priests themselves were blighted with sin, therefore they died. The old covenant priesthood was simply a weak figure of the eternal priesthood that was to come. Hebrews 7 confirms: those high priests, to offer up sacrifice, first for his own sins, and then for the people’s (v 27) and they were not suffered to continue by reason of death(v 23).

Christ’s “perfect” priesthood cannot be compared to the faulty old covenant priesthood with all its obvious limitations. It is final, eternal and unchanging. There is no end to the Lord’s hold on this office. When Christ ascended to the right hand of majesty on high He did so as man’s final perfect high priest. He was the substance and fulfilment of the Old Testament high priestly order who served as the temporal shadow of the coming Messiah. He met every requirement demanded of God to reconcile the sinner unto God.

Hebrews 8:3-8: “For every high priest is ordained to offer gifts and sacrifices: wherefore it is of necessity that this man have somewhat also to offer. For if he were on earth, he should not be a priest, seeing that there are priests that offer gifts according to the law … But now hath He [Christ] obtained a more excellent ministry (than the priests that made imperfect sacrifices), by how much also He is the mediator of a better covenant, which was established upon better promises. For if that first covenant had been faultless, then should no place have been sought for the second.”

The removal of the faulty old covenant is here connected to the replacement of the old covenant priesthood. The two are inextricably tied together. The one true eternal high priest has perfected the last sacrifice for sin, and now sits in heaven interceding for His elect. Thus He fulfils the two-fold duty of the priest (making atonement for sin, and interceding on the people’s behalf).
 
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davidkent,

1. I know what Hebrews 7 says and I agree that the Melchizedek priesthood replaced the Levitical priesthood.

2. Do you understand what a paradox is?
If you don’t is why you can’t figure it out.
Jerry Kelso

No, Pretrib is NOT a paradox. It is a contradiction! This is political-doublespeak because your theories are forbidden by the NT pages.
 
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sovereign grace,

1. There is no scripture that says or advocates for animal sacrifices as sin offerings in the future of the millennium?

You should honestly read your proof-texts before coming out with statements like this. You promote the full restoration of the old covenant sacrifices:

· The “meat offering” – Ezekiel 42:13, 44:29, 45:15, 17, 24, 25, 46:5, 7, 11, 14, 15, 20.
· The “sin offering” – Ezekiel 40:39, 42:13, 19, 21, 22, 25, 44:27, 29, 45:17, 19, 22, 23, 25, 46:20.
· The “trespass offering” – Ezekiel 40:39, 42:13, 44:29, 46:20.
· The “burnt offerings” – Ezekiel 40:38, 39, 42, 43:18, 24, 27, 44:11, 45:15, 17, 23, 25, 46:2, 4, 12, 13, 15.
· The “peace offerings” – Ezekiel 43:27, 45:15, 17, 46:2, 12.
· The “drink offerings” – Ezekiel 45:17.

What does the cross lack that necessitates the reintroduction of multiple "sin offerings" and "trespass offerings"? Is Christ’s sinless life, atoning death and glorious resurrection not enough for you? Was it not perfect enough, not satisfactory enough, and not final enough?
 
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You should honestly read your proof-texts before coming out with statements like this. You promote the full restoration of the old covenant sacrifices:

· The “meat offering” – Ezekiel 42:13, 44:29, 45:15, 17, 24, 25, 46:5, 7, 11, 14, 15, 20.
· The “sin offering” – Ezekiel 40:39, 42:13, 19, 21, 22, 25, 44:27, 29, 45:17, 19, 22, 23, 25, 46:20.
· The “trespass offering” – Ezekiel 40:39, 42:13, 44:29, 46:20.
· The “burnt offerings” – Ezekiel 40:38, 39, 42, 43:18, 24, 27, 44:11, 45:15, 17, 23, 25, 46:2, 4, 12, 13, 15.
· The “peace offerings” – Ezekiel 43:27, 45:15, 17, 46:2, 12.
· The “drink offerings” – Ezekiel 45:17.

What does the cross lack that necessitates the reintroduction of multiple "sin offerings" and "trespass offerings"? Is Christ’s sinless life, atoning death and glorious resurrection not enough for you? Was it not perfect enough, not satisfactory enough, and not final enough?

sovereigngrace,

1. Exodus 12:1-14; Passover-Israel to keep this feast throughout their generations and ordinance forever.

2. What part of forever don’t you understand?

3. In. Exodus 12:14 The Passover is to be a memorial forever which deals with the sacrificial lamb who was the type and Christ was the anti-type John 1:29; The next day John seeth Jesus coming unto him and smith, Behold the Lamb of God, which taketh away the sins of the world.
1 Peter 1:19; But with the precious blood of Christ, as of a lamb without blemish and without spot:

4. In the old covenant the types and shadows pointed to the cross.
Christ fulfilled the Passover and Dispensationalists believe this.
In the future the Passover will be a memorial as an object lesson of what Christ did at the cross for them.
The blood off bulls and goats could never take sins away.
These outward observances will not supersede the present individual salvation or the means of approach to God, but will be added for earthly people’s to satisfy the natural instinct in man for something outward in religion.

5. These are memorials in a deeper significance than in the types of the old covenant.
Do you believe in observing the Lord’s supper and water baptism?
They are outward observances of what has been done already but neither saves a soul from sin. But both are acts of obedience and have a true significance if observed in the right way.

5. Whether you believe that there will be animal sacrifices or not you have to believe that the feast of the Passover is forever. Are you going to believe the Bible or just keep believing the straw men you build up or your false reasoning and false narrative and false accusations.
Jerry Kelso
 
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Do you even read my replies? No, they are gone forever. I have showed you how NT Scripture forbids your obsession with the old covenant and your desire to start future sin offerings.



Hebrews 7:11-12 tells us, If therefore perfection were by the Levitical priesthood, (for under it the people received the law,) what further need was there that another priest should rise after the order of Melchisedec, and not be called after the order of Aaron? For the priesthood being changed, there is made of necessity a change also of the law.”

The priesthood has been changed; and having been changed there was a change triggered in the law (“there is made of necessity a change also of the law”). Whilst the written law is still active, the whole old covenant ceremonial system was superseded by a new better covenant.

The Greek word for “changed” here is metatithemi which actually means transferred or exchanged. This shows that old temporal imperfect priesthood has been exchanged for the new perfect eternal priesthood in Christ. The deficient shadow and type has been replaced by Israel’s eternal high priest the Messiah and will never again be changed, undone or rivalled by a parallel priesthood. It is an eternal transfer of influence. Christ will not (or cannot) share this office with another, neither can He hand the baton over to others. He holds it firm and alone as of right and by way of an everlasting oath. Those that purport to steal this sacred title enter into the dangerous arena of heresy.

The problem with the Old Testament priestly administration was: it was inadequate. It involved men who by nature were prone to sin and who therefore fell short of what God required of them. Time after time, the high priest failed in God’s requirements through sin or compromise and consequently God judged the whole nation. Corruption eventually took a hold of the office and brought it into complete disrepute. This opened the door to idol worship and apostasy. What is more, with the blight of sin in man came death. This meant the office was continually passed from one to another.

Hebrews 7:15 clearly tells us of this new covenant period: “there ariseth another priest” – “even Jesus, made an high priest for ever after the order of Melchisedec” (Hebrews 6:20). This priest was an eternal priest ministering on behalf of the people of God.

Whilst there were many priests in the nation of Israel under the old covenant there was only ever one high priest at any one time. The office was passed on upon death from one high priest to another. Hebrews 7:21-24 says, speaking of Christ, “Thou art a priest for ever after the order of Melchisedec. By so much was Jesus made a surety of a better testament. And they truly were many priests, because they were not suffered to continue by reason of death: But this man, because he continueth ever, hath an unchangeable priesthood.”

The word interpreted “unchangeable” here is very significant. It comes from the Greek word aparabatos, which simply means non-transferable. It is a legal word. For example, it relates to a judge laying down a decision that is unalterable and non-transferable. It also describes something which belongs to one person and cannot be transferred to anyone else. This tells us, no one else can hold the Melchizedek priesthood. Christ continues alone in this role, having an unchangeable non-transferable priestly office. Unlike the old covenant priesthood, Christ has no successors in this office. This priesthood cannot pass from one to another, it is not transmissible. No other can appropriate this title or share in the function of the position, Christ alone holds that sacred high priestly office. Christ is the only real and perfect High Priest. He is the ultimate and final high priest of the redeemed of God.

Hebrews 7:16 tells us that Christ “is made, not after the law of a carnal commandment, but after the power of an endless life.”

The whole context here is the removal and the replacement of the old covenant priesthood, the writer of the Hebrews presents Christ as heavens eternal replacement. What is more, we can see that this priesthood cannot pass from one to another, it is not transferrable. No other can appropriate this title or share in the function of the position, Christ alone holds that sacred high priestly office. Christ is the only real and perfect high priest today. He is the ultimate and final High Priest of the redeemed of God.

Hebrews 7:26-28 confirms this, telling us that Christ “For such an high priest became us, who is holy, harmless, undefiled, separate from sinners, and made higher than the heavens; Who needeth needeth not daily, as those high priests, to offer up sacrifice, first for his own sins, and then for the people’s: for this he did once, when he offered up himself. For the law maketh men high priests which have infirmity; but the word of the oath, which was since the law, maketh the Son, who is consecrated for evermore.”

The Levitical priesthood had to be replaced because it was inadequate and temporal. The priests themselves were blighted with sin, therefore they died. The old covenant priesthood was simply a weak figure of the eternal priesthood that was to come. Hebrews 7 confirms: those high priests, to offer up sacrifice, first for his own sins, and then for the people’s (v 27) and they were not suffered to continue by reason of death(v 23).

Christ’s “perfect” priesthood cannot be compared to the faulty old covenant priesthood with all its obvious limitations. It is final, eternal and unchanging. There is no end to the Lord’s hold on this office. When Christ ascended to the right hand of majesty on high He did so as man’s final perfect high priest. He was the substance and fulfilment of the Old Testament high priestly order who served as the temporal shadow of the coming Messiah. He met every requirement demanded of God to reconcile the sinner unto God.

Hebrews 8:3-8: “For every high priest is ordained to offer gifts and sacrifices: wherefore it is of necessity that this man have somewhat also to offer. For if he were on earth, he should not be a priest, seeing that there are priests that offer gifts according to the law … But now hath He [Christ] obtained a more excellent ministry (than the priests that made imperfect sacrifices), by how much also He is the mediator of a better covenant, which was established upon better promises. For if that first covenant had been faultless, then should no place have been sought for the second.”

The removal of the faulty old covenant is here connected to the replacement of the old covenant priesthood. The two are inextricably tied together. The one true eternal high priest has perfected the last sacrifice for sin, and now sits in heaven interceding for His elect. Thus He fulfils the two-fold duty of the priest (making atonement for sin, and interceding on the people’s behalf).

sovereigngrace,

1. I have read your replies and you are still do not understand what a paradox is or refuse to figure it out.

2. You didn’t mention the feasts of the Lord directly, but since they have sacrifices in it I’ll take you think they are forever gone because of this reason.

3. Exodus 12:1-14 tells about the feast of the Passover being forever for Israel as a memorial.
What part of forever don’t you understand?
The type was the sacrificial lamb.
The antitype was Christ the sacrificial lamb which John announced in John 1:29.
Since this was fulfilled at the Cross there is no way dispensationalism or dispensationalists don’t believe in the cross.
If we didn’t believe in the cross we couldn’t be saved.

2. Your whole post is about the Melchizedek priesthood taking the place of the Levitical priesthood.
The Levitical priesthood will never supersede the Melchizedek priesthood.
So I am glad you agree with dispensationalism on this important part.
We are not as disputing as you think we are. If we are disputing on this point then you and yours are dispy.
Welcome to the club.

2. Passover is stated forever so what part of forever don’t you understand?
Whether you believe in real animal sacrifices or not you have to believe Passover is forever because the scripture says so. Are you going to admit this or not?
Can you tell me why dispensationalist believe there is a difference between Passover being a memorial then and in the future and why it is not at the present time?

3. One more question, do you believe in the Lord’s supper and Water baptist as any significance in the church today?Jerry Kelso
 
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sovereigngrace,

1. Exodus 12:1-14; Passover-Israel to keep this feast throughout their generations and ordinance forever.

2. What part of forever don’t you understand?

The English word “for ever” (or “forever”) means everlasting or eternal. It means something that never ends. It denotes endless, ceaseless, perpetual, undying, unbroken, unending, and interminable.

Has Israel endlessly, without a break, maintained their strict temple sacrificial system and festival in compliance with the old covenant blueprint? No!!! It therefore doesn't meet the English meaning of “forever.” The very meaning of the Hebrew word interpreted forver (`owlam) forbids an eternal interpretation. So, what does the word `owlam mean?

Before going there, it is very useful (and sometimes necessary) to examine the root word of any Hebrew or Greek word in order to get a deeper sense of its meaning. In the case of the `owlam it would be helpful to our understanding to consider its origin. It derives from the Hebrew word `alam (Strong’s 5956) which means to veil, hide from sight or conceal.

This gives us the idea of ‘out of sight’.

Strong’s says: `owlam (o-lawm'); or `olam (o-lawm') means “properly, concealed, i.e. the vanishing point; generally, time out of mind (past or future).”

When referring to time, this word essentially means time out of sight. The sense of the word is basically beyond our view. It can relate to either the distant past or the distant future. Whilst the word does not necessarily mean eternity, it can refer to eternity. As one examines the various usages of this word in Scripture, one quickly grasps the truth of that it mainly refers to distant time.

Here we have concrete proof that this word carries a broader meaning than what many attribute to it. The “vanishing point” of any reality can refer to the past or the future. It can refer to distant reality. Whilst we could identify the word with eternity, no one with any understanding of the use of the word in the Old Testament could with any legitimacy rigidly restrict it to that.

3. In. Exodus 12:14 The Passover is to be a memorial forever which deals with the sacrificial lamb who was the type and Christ was the anti-type John 1:29; The next day John seeth Jesus coming unto him and smith, Behold the Lamb of God, which taketh away the sins of the world.
1 Peter 1:19; But with the precious blood of Christ, as of a lamb without blemish and without spot:

4. In the old covenant the types and shadows pointed to the cross.
Christ fulfilled the Passover and Dispensationalists believe this.
In the future the Passover will be a memorial as an object lesson of what Christ did at the cross for them.
The blood off bulls and goats could never take sins away.
These outward observances will not supersede the present individual salvation or the means of approach to God, but will be added for earthly people’s to satisfy the natural instinct in man for something outward in religion.

5. These are memorials in a deeper significance than in the types of the old covenant.
Do you believe in observing the Lord’s supper and water baptism?
They are outward observances of what has been done already but neither saves a soul from sin. But both are acts of obedience and have a true significance if observed in the right way.

5. Whether you believe that there will be animal sacrifices or not you have to believe that the feast of the Passover is forever. Are you going to believe the Bible or just keep believing the straw men you build up or your false reasoning and false narrative and false accusations.

You denied that there are future sin offerings, now you defend it. Do you see the weakness of your position?

Could you show me actual Scripture that proves animal sacrifices will be re-introduced as memorial sacrifices on the new earth?
 
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sovereigngrace,

1. I have read your replies and you are still do not understand what a paradox is or refuse to figure it out.

2. You didn’t mention the feasts of the Lord directly, but since they have sacrifices in it I’ll take you think they are forever gone because of this reason.

3. Exodus 12:1-14 tells about the feast of the Passover being forever for Israel as a memorial.
What part of forever don’t you understand?
The type was the sacrificial lamb.
The antitype was Christ the sacrificial lamb which John announced in John 1:29.
Since this was fulfilled at the Cross there is no way dispensationalism or dispensationalists don’t believe in the cross.
If we didn’t believe in the cross we couldn’t be saved.

2. Your whole post is about the Melchizedek priesthood taking the place of the Levitical priesthood.
The Levitical priesthood will never supersede the Melchizedek priesthood.
So I am glad you agree with dispensationalism on this important part.
We are not as disputing as you think we are. If we are disputing on this point then you and yours are dispy.
Welcome to the club.

2. Passover is stated forever so what part of forever don’t you understand?
Whether you believe in real animal sacrifices or not you have to believe Passover is forever because the scripture says so. Are you going to admit this or not?
Can you tell me why dispensationalist believe there is a difference between Passover being a memorial then and in the future and why it is not at the present time?

3. One more question, do you believe in the Lord’s supper and Water baptist as any significance in the church today?Jerry Kelso

There will never be two sacrificial covenants active at the one time. The old covenant was fully and eternally replaced by the new covenant. There will be no rival priesthood raised up to compete with Christ in the future. Amils believe (On the authority of God's Word) that Christ is heaven's final High Priest.
 
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The English word “for ever” (or “forever”) means everlasting or eternal. It means something that never ends. It denotes endless, ceaseless, perpetual, undying, unbroken, unending, and interminable.

Has Israel endlessly, without a break, maintained their strict temple sacrificial system and festival in compliance with the old covenant blueprint? No!!! It therefore doesn't meet the English meaning of “forever.” The very meaning of the Hebrew word interpreted forver (`owlam) forbids an eternal interpretation. So, what does the word `owlam mean?

Before going there, it is very useful (and sometimes necessary) to examine the root word of any Hebrew or Greek word in order to get a deeper sense of its meaning. In the case of the `owlam it would be helpful to our understanding to consider its origin. It derives from the Hebrew word `alam (Strong’s 5956) which means to veil, hide from sight or conceal.

This gives us the idea of ‘out of sight’.

Strong’s says: `owlam (o-lawm'); or `olam (o-lawm') means “properly, concealed, i.e. the vanishing point; generally, time out of mind (past or future).”

When referring to time, this word essentially means time out of sight. The sense of the word is basically beyond our view. It can relate to either the distant past or the distant future. Whilst the word does not necessarily mean eternity, it can refer to eternity. As one examines the various usages of this word in Scripture, one quickly grasps the truth of that it mainly refers to distant time.

Here we have concrete proof that this word carries a broader meaning than what many attribute to it. The “vanishing point” of any reality can refer to the past or the future. It can refer to distant reality. Whilst we could identify the word with eternity, no one with any understanding of the use of the word in the Old Testament could with any legitimacy rigidly restrict it to that.



You denied that there are future sin offerings, now you defend it. Do you see the weakness of your position?

Could you show me actual Scripture that proves animal sacrifices will be re-introduced as memorial sacrifices on the new earth?

1. Strongs says that Exodus 34:3 is the only time owlam means no whichhas to do with no one following Moses up the Mount. This has nothing to do with the feasts of the Lord in this context.

2. Forever in duration is that in Exodus 12:1-14. Strong says that.
You have just false applied to the wrong scripture.

3. The Passover feast is a also a perpetual feast.
Perpetual is continuous as in forever duration, but not necessarily without a break of not being able to do it.
Throughout their generations proves this because in 70 A.D. their nation was destroyed and today they cannot perform sacrifices because there is no temple.
However, today the Kingdom program with Israel is not in effect Acts 1:6-7.
The church of Jews and Gentiles celebrate the Lord’s Supper and Water Baptism today. They are outward observances for what the Lord has done in his finished work not to achieve salvation unless you believe in Baptismal Regeneration which is not scriptural.
So your whole argument against being forever as in never and it being just an English definition is wrong again.

4. I didn’t deny that there would be no sin offerings or that there would be.
I said it would not be to receive salvation.
There is no weakness in what I said because of being a paradox.

5. Animal sacrifices Isaiah 56:6-8; Jeremiah 33:18:21; Zechariah 14:16; Ezekiel 43:15-18; 46:24.
The millennial temple scriptures are found in Ezekiel 40-48.
These will be a witness to believers of what Christ did at Calvary concerning salvation.
They will be a witness as an object lesson to sinners in the millennium.
There will be sinners in the millennial kingdom Isaiah 2:2-4; 9:6,7; 11:3-5; 16:5; 65:20; Psalm 2:6-9; Micah 4:3 Zechariah 14:16-21; 1 Corinthians 15:24:28; Revelation 20:7-10.
The wild animals will be tamed but that doesn’t mean God will not use live lambs to sacrifice as object lessons.

6. Why do you want to fight against the word?
Why do you want to keep accusing dispensationalism wrongly?
If you don’t believe and understand that the law was for Israel forever then you will not understand the nature of their earthly calling and you will twist scripture and add to it or spiritualized it and this prop up straw men to try and will use word meanings to wrong scriptures etc.
You don’t even try to understand there is a possibility to have the feasts because you have got tunnel vision that can only deduce in your own hermeneutical belief.
You also don’t want to seek out the paradox in this subject and that is why you keep coming up with the same answer and accusation that dispensational belief destroys the message of Jesus and the cross. These are some of the reasons that you will always be wrong in blaming dispensationalism wrongly. Jerry Kelso
 
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