Catalyst to the Russian War.

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The Body of Christ revelation was not revealed in the Old Testament. And Israel is certainly very real and only held by God amid all the surrounding nations that want to annihilate it.

If you spiritualize the Old Testament you end up with all sorts of nonsense.
Your view of the Old Testament is the same as that of pharisees or of the disciples before Jesus explained them that the kingdom of God is not of this world.

Todays Israel is spiritually absolutely irrelevant and Bible says nothing about Russia, Iran or USA, because such political bodies are also spiritually irrelevant. Only church is spiritually relevant.
 
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Jesus said that the law of Moses (the Torah), the prophets (like Ezekiel), the psalms (the writings) speak of Him. Luke 24:44.

Jesus Himself is speaking in Ezekiel 39:21-29, having returned to earth, 7 years following Gog/Magog. The content of the prior verses, Ezekiel 39:17-21, for a Christian, familiar with Revelation 19:17-21, that it is Jesus Himself speaking in the text of Ezekiel 39:21-29 should be obvious, once it has been point out.

Have you done that yet, comparing Revelation 19:17-21 with Ezekiel 39:17-20 ?

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Understanding of the over-view of the end times, can be gained by understanding the timeline of Ezekiel 38-39.

Over-view of the end times:

Gog/Magog, Ezekiel 38-39:16
then the seven years.
then Armageddon, Ezekiel 39:17-20
at Jesus's return, Ezekiel 39:21-29

I agree that it spoke about Him. He was the end times.
 
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The topic you are wanting to introduce is inappropriate for this forum. This forum is based on the bible being accurate and true - to discuss the topic of eschatology.
I understand. Realization that the Old Testament is not perfectly preserved would make any such political and military speculation based on its text quite useless and all the fun and money from selling books about this topic would disappear.
 
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Your view of the Old Testament is the same as that of pharisees or of the disciples before Jesus explained them that the kingdom of God is not of this world.

Todays Israel is spiritually absolutely irrelevant and Bible says nothing about Russia, Iran or USA, because such political bodies are also spiritually irrelevant. Only church is spiritually relevant.

`Give no offence, either to the Jews or to the Greeks (nations) or to the Church of God,`(1 Cor. 10: 32)

 
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Hi Dave,

They are part of the Body of Christ, `not in darkness,` and are also pilgrims on this earth. We are NOT of the nations but `called out` of the nations and of Israel. That is the meaning of ekklesia, `called out ones.`

Hope that helps, Marilyn.
But to blacklist russia and fortune tell your plans for them in the future is extremely dangerous tending towards bloodshed. Many crackpot politicians believe this stuff and have itchy nuke trigger fingers.
According to Grace Halsell; Prophecy and Politics.
 
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But to blacklist russia and fortune tell your plans for them in the future is extremely dangerous tending towards bloodshed. Many crackpot politicians believe this stuff and have itchy nuke trigger fingers.
According to Grace Halsell; Prophecy and Politics.
Grace Halsell died back in 2000, and the book you are referring to was back in 1986.

Dave, God, through Ezekiel, has said what is going to happen. Nothing anyone posts at this forum is going affect Russia's and allies decision to invade Israel. It is God Himself that draws Gog down to Israel.

Ezekiel 38:4 And I will turn thee back, and put hooks into thy jaws, and I will bring thee forth, and all thine army, horses and horsemen, all of them clothed with all sorts of armour, even a great company with bucklers and shields, all of them handling swords:

And after it is all done there is going to be a big graveyard for Gog's army.

Ezekiel 39:11 And it shall come to pass in that day, that I will give unto Gog a place there of graves in Israel, the valley of the passengers on the east of the sea: and it shall stop the noses of the passengers: and there shall they bury Gog and all his multitude: and they shall call it The valley of Hamongog.

12 And seven months shall the house of Israel be burying of them, that they may cleanse the land.

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Furthermore, after listing all of the allies of Gog, it indicates that Gog acts a guard unto those nations - which Russia is supplying the muslims nations with arms and is siding with them.

5 Persia, Ethiopia, and Libya with them; all of them with shield and helmet:

6 Gomer, and all his bands; the house of Togarmah of the north quarters, and all his bands: and many people with thee.

7 Be thou prepared, and prepare for thyself, thou, and all thy company that are assembled unto thee, and be thou a guard unto them.
 
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Grace Halsell died back in 2000, and the book you are referring to was back in 1986.

Dave, God, through Ezekiel, has said what is going to happen. Nothing anyone posts at this forum is going affect Russia's and allies decision to invade Israel. It is God Himself that draws Gog down to Israel.

Ezekiel 38:4 And I will turn thee back, and put hooks into thy jaws, and I will bring thee forth, and all thine army, horses and horsemen, all of them clothed with all sorts of armour, even a great company with bucklers and shields, all of them handling swords:

And after it is all done there is going to be a big graveyard for Gog's army.

Ezekiel 39:11 And it shall come to pass in that day, that I will give unto Gog a place there of graves in Israel, the valley of the passengers on the east of the sea: and it shall stop the noses of the passengers: and there shall they bury Gog and all his multitude: and they shall call it The valley of Hamongog.

12 And seven months shall the house of Israel be burying of them, that they may cleanse the land.

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Furthermore, after listing all of the allies of Gog, it indicates that Gog acts a guard unto those nations - which Russia is supplying the muslims nations with arms and is siding with them.

5 Persia, Ethiopia, and Libya with them; all of them with shield and helmet:

6 Gomer, and all his bands; the house of Togarmah of the north quarters, and all his bands: and many people with thee.

7 Be thou prepared, and prepare for thyself, thou, and all thy company that are assembled unto thee, and be thou a guard unto them.
Are you adding to his words? SInce he never mentions Russia? And by turning spears into nuclear Subs? And the like. And Cattle into $$$?
 
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Are you adding to his words? SInce he never mentions Russia? And by turning spears into nuclear Subs? And the like. And Cattle into $$$?
Russia is an interpretation, in identifying the Gog/Magog nations, which appears valid by the reality in the middle east, and prominence as a mighty military power, and location geographically in respect to Israel.
 
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But to blacklist russia and fortune tell your plans for them in the future is extremely dangerous tending towards bloodshed. Many crackpot politicians believe this stuff and have itchy nuke trigger fingers.
According to Grace Halsell; Prophecy and Politics.

Hi Dave,

We will see this war very soon. Russia has tried in the past, (see OP) and will again.
All nations will be judged by God, as we well know.
 
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Hi Dave,

We will see this war very soon. Russia has tried in the past, (see OP) and will again.
All nations will be judged by God, as we well know.
I don't think you can say this based on scripture. If it happens, it would be only coincidence. The passages you base it on were fulfilled in Esther's day.
 
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I don't think you can say this based on scripture. If it happens, it would be only coincidence. The passages you base it on were fulfilled in Esther's day.
If so, then there should be archaeological evidence of all the bones in a mass grave in the valley of Hamon-gog. But there has been no such event having taken place in history.

Ezekiel 39:11 And it shall come to pass in that day, that I will give unto Gog a place there of graves in Israel, the valley of the passengers on the east of the sea: and it shall stop the noses of the passengers: and there shall they bury Gog and all his multitude: and they shall call it The valley of Hamongog.

When it does happen in the future it will take 7 months to bury the dead.

12 And seven months shall the house of Israel be burying of them, that they may cleanse the land.


 
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How are you going to prove there aren't?
How does anyone prove something that does not exist? The burden is on you Dave, to provide evidence of the mass grave of Gog's army in the location described. Like there is evidence of the eruption of Mt. Vesuvius, destruction of Pompeii.
 
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How does anyone prove something that does not exist? The burden is on you Dave, to provide evidence of the mass grave of Gog's army in the location described. Like there is evidence of the eruption of Mt. Vesuvius, destruction of Pompeii.
No, you need to prove it exists. Or save it.
 
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Some people, at high noon, can stare directly up to the sun, and still cannot see the light.

And some people have gazed upon what they believe to be the sun so much they do not see anything else anymore....

What I find common in these threads in general seems to be that older people becoming aware of their death creeping closer somehow feel like it should apply to the whole of humanity.

It does not work that way.

Want a prophecy ? Here is one.

Your physical body will die and the world will not end when this happens. Life will go on just fine without you.
 
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What I find common in these threads in general seems to be that older people becoming aware of their death creeping closer somehow feel like it should apply to the whole of humanity.
Jonathan, a lot of these threads involve older people because it takes a lifetime to grow in knowledge about the topics in the threads.
 
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Jonathan, a lot of these threads involve older people because it takes a lifetime to grow in knowledge about the topics in the threads.

Yes, that is probably why we have had old people saying the world in is ending for the last 2000 years (and probably way earlier ....) with the same results ; their lives have ended and the world frankly does not care that much.
 
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Yes, that is probably why we have had old people saying the world in is ending for the last 2000 years (and probably way earlier ....) with the same results ; their lives have ended and the world frankly does not care that much.
Jonathan, there is some good advice for old people and young people in Titus2. It is a short chapter, if you want to reread it.

Which it boils down to...

Titus 2:13 Looking for that blessed hope, and the glorious appearing of the great God and our Saviour Jesus Christ;

What you are talking about the world not caring that much, is that there have become scoffers, saying such things based on that rationale, of it's all been said before, so where is the Promise of His Coming?

There is too much evidence that this is the generation that the end times events will take place.
 
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