What About Dinosaurs?

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And there we have a definitive answer as to what Professor James Barr believes that the writer(s) of Genesis thought. And I suppose if we don't agree with the learned prof then we aren't allowed to believe the Gospel, either, am I right?
No.. but nice try...

This professor is just an educated man that is agreeing with scripture...
Man does not make the scripture true...
Man does not make the scriptures false...

Scripture is the rock we plant our beliefs on.
 
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Well for starters he immediately is pushing his creationists museum. I really dont need to sit here and type out how silly most of his claims are..its just well understood by most people that hes a goofball ans his science is also.

Well understood by whom? Are you saying that truth is now up to a majority vote? That due to the fact that many believe something to be true, is the reason that it is true?


Really, I thought about what I typed above and I think I may have been kinda harsh with the "intellegent" comment, but really...it kinda perplexes me to think that people watch him and believe what he says. It really says a lot about the education system in our country and..really...what we have a president in the office where people still believe everything he says. (NOT trying to be political, but it is a valid example) But if you see what Im saying, people will believe anything...

Ya... not worth commenting on.
 
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No.. but nice try...

This professor is just an educated man that is agreeing with scripture..
Untrue - the professor agrees the writer of Genesis was intending his words to be taken literally. However, as proven in 2 posts, one of them being post 108, the professor does not believe in a young earth.
 
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In the ancient Greek world there was a literary genre know as the fable that was used to make a moral point or point out some human foibles. It was characterized by gross exaggeration such as talking animals. Aesop was a master of the fable. I am convinced that the Bible has employed this technique as well in order to make spiritual points. The gross exaggeration is sometimes numerical like the ages of the ancient patriarchs or the populations of the Hebrew tribes in the Exodus. The Bible also has a talking serpent and a talking ass. We also note an immense tree that grows overnight and withers just as fast and a man who lives three days in the belly of a great fish. Whenever we encounter such amazing rhetoric we can be assured that what we are reading is not to be taken a literally true or historic and that we should look for the real meaning of the story.

What, then, about feeding 5000 men and their wives and children, with two fish and 5 buns? Or, bringing a man back from the dead? Or healing a young girl who is miles away? Or walking out to a boat on a lake? Or, dying on a cross and three days later walking through walls into a locked room?

Any of these foibles?
 
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LOL... you're funny... did you happen to have a picture of the south end of a north bound hippo? Check it's tail.... not quite like a cedar tree
 
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It took less than 5 minutes to find this. From "Smithsonian" (I added emphasis):

Meanwhile, Schweitzer’s research has been hijacked by “young earth” creationists, who insist that dinosaur soft tissue couldn’t possibly survive millions of years. They claim her discoveries support their belief, based on their interpretation of Genesis, that the earth is only a few thousand years old. Of course, it’s not unusual for a paleontologist to differ with creationists. But when creationists misrepresent Schweitzer’s data, she takes it personally: she describes herself as “a complete and total Christian.” On a shelf in her office is a plaque bearing an Old Testament verse: “For I know the plans I have for you,” declares the Lord, “plans to prosper you and not to harm you, plans to give you hope and a future.”
I'm sorry..... Your point?
 
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No dodge, this is what the majority of protestant churches believe. It's also what I believe.
And I believe you're quite wrong.

Of course I take Corinthians literally, would be helpful if you added what verse you are talking about.
Sorry, I thought I quoted that, but it appears I didn't. Here we are:

1 Corinthians 11:
23 For I have received of the Lord that which also I delivered unto you, that the Lord Jesus the same night in which he was betrayed took bread:
24 And when he had given thanks, he brake it, and said, Take, eat: this is my body, which is broken for you: this do in remembrance of me.
25 After the same manner also he took the cup, when he had supped, saying, this cup is the new testament in my blood: this do ye, as oft as ye drink it, in remembrance of me.
26 For as often as ye eat this bread, and drink this cup, ye do shew the Lord's death till he come.
27 Wherefore whosoever shall eat this bread, and drink this cup of the Lord, unworthily, shall be guilty of the body and blood of the Lord.
28 But let a man examine himself, and so let him eat of that bread, and drink of that cup.

29 For he that eateth and drinketh unworthily, eateth and drinketh damnation to himself, not discerning the Lord's body.

Now it seems apparent to me that you do not take these verses literally, because you do not believe that the bread and the wine are literally our Lord's Body and Blood, even though He explicitly says they are. Seems to me that St. Paul is trying to drive that point home by saying that those who eat and drink "not discerning the Lord's body" "eateth and drinketh damnation". Hard to discern what you don't believe is there at all, wouldn't you say?

And of course, my point was the inconsistency of those who insist that Genesis should betaken literally, but the actual words of our Lord Himself, speaking of Himself, should not. Again, that seems to me 180 degrees out of phase. ( BTW, this is the primary reason I no longer consider myself a Protestant.)
 
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Behemoth, Leviathon and giants are mentioned. If one does not accept Genesis literally, than that opens the door for doubt about the rest of the Bible.
Fair play, but now I'll ask you what I asked one of the other folks here: do you believe that the bread and wine of the Eucharist are literally our Lord's Body and Blood? Our Lord explicitly says that they are. IMO, not believing that casts doubt on everything else our Lord said,
but believing that the Genesis account, at least for me, does not. What say you?
 
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When Christ says "This is my body" and breaks the bread... Did it become His body then?
When Christ says "This is my blood" when He dipped the bread in the wine.. did it become blood?
Yes. When God said that was His body and blood, they were. Just as when He commanded light to exist, it did.
 
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Your point seemed to be that the Bible is backed by science (at least creation from nothing?) and therefore not a myth. But science does not support the rest of it. So your point fails.
How do you back a book of supernatural events... with science?


Here's what the bible says about all these proclaimed intelligent and educated men:

Romans 1:22 King James Version (KJV)

22 Professing themselves to be wise, they became fools,

Here's how simple men can be fooled... until an unknown little tiny bit of info turns the whole thing on it's head.


A man goes to a fridge every day at his office. He opens it up and puts his lunch in. There is always a salad in the fridge. Every day... When he goes home... the salad is still there.....

So, He deduces that this salad is going to go bad. After a month.. it is still there so he tosses it out. Perfectly logical... old salad.. there every day for a month... toss it.


Then, the rest of the story unfolds... A man on night shift went without a lunch. His wife, on an earlier shift always leaves him a salad in fridge after her shift... then the other man comes in and sees it, after she goes home.. Then, it is still there at the end of his shift.. The husband comes in and takes his salad... Next morning the wife leaves him another..


Soon as one little bit of unknown information is added... the reality of the story is revealed.

To the man.. it was the same salad for a month... Then... the information revealed... and he is the fool.
 
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Fair play, but now I'll ask you what I asked one of the other folks here: do you believe that the bread and wine of the Eucharist are literally our Lord's Body and Blood? Our Lord explicitly says that they are. IMO, not believing that casts doubt on everything else our Lord said,
but believing that the Genesis account, at least for me, does not. What say you?
He said, "You must eat my flesh and drink my blood ..." too. Do you think He meant thay literally. Symbolism does exist but in reference to the Genesis account of creation which defines what a day is and how many days it took, is not symbolism.
 
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He said, "You must eat my flesh and drink my blood ..." too. Do you think He meant thay literally.
Obviously, that's what we do.

Symbolism does exist but in reference to the Genesis account of creation which defines what a day is and how many days it took, is not symbolism.
But it does no such thing. What was the definition of an evening and a morning when there was no sun?
 
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One reason I believe but have some doubt about the bible is because man found dinosaur fossils and other things that confirm the Earth is older than the bible says
How old does the Bible say the Earth is?
 
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What, then, about feeding 5000 men and their wives and children, with two fish and 5 buns?
How about "this is my body" and "this is my blood"? Don't you believe our Lord's words are truth?
 
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Nice dodge, but it's still comes down to you saying we must take Genesis literally, but we must not take Corinthians literally. 180 degrees off, says I.

Its not as cut and dry as your set-up premise would have us to believe. People can believe whatever they want and find ways to appear to be justified. But, those situations are not so cut and dry. Because? If you eye ever offended you? You would only have one eye left if you wanted to take the Word literally.

It was your rule. Not reality. We are not obligated to oblige.

grace and truth..
 
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