Politics and the Bible

timothyu · Jan 12, 2020

TLK Valentine said:
Oxygen is made of energy.
So is Arsenic.
One is beneficial, the other... not so much.

But only energy would be their god.

TLK Valentine · Jan 12, 2020

timothyu said:
But only energy would be their god.

Their god is either essential to their survival, or a deadly poison, depending on how he's configured that day.

timothyu · Jan 12, 2020

TLK Valentine said:
Their god is either essential to their survival, or a deadly poison, depending on how he's configured that day.

That is the frequency, not the energy itself. The energy is neutral. Creation is the frequencies. Creator is the energy.

TLK Valentine · Jan 12, 2020

timothyu said:
That is the frequency, not the energy itself. The energy is neutral. Creation is the frequencies. Creator is the energy.

Regardless of the frequency, God is the oxygen and God is the arsenic.

timothyu · Jan 12, 2020

TLK Valentine said:
Regardless of the frequency, God is the oxygen and God is the arsenic.

God is the all in balance.

createdtoworship · Jan 12, 2020

TLK Valentine said:
Who needs lawyers (Constitutionalists or otherwise) when You're the King?

the Bible says "with many couselors there is wisdom." So according to proverbs if we are to legislate the scripturs, we must have many counselors.

Come to think of it, who needs a constitution when You're the King?

You probably don't. but large changes can affect economy and create social unrest, so it would have to be ammended in short bursts.

In other words, You would use everyone except God. Don't think we didn't notice his omission from your list.

Well everyone on the team would be expected to pray over every decision of course. The Bible says "not by might, not by power, but by my spirit, says the Lord."

No need to pray on it, I see -- You have spoken; so let it be written, so let it be done.

Well no need to pray right now, thats for sure. We are just brain storming at this point. But ultimately every decision would be with prayer.

Of course not -- You must be King for life, then.

But being voted out isn't the only way to remove a leader...

Yes if this ever happened we would probably have to increase national guard, and police and FBI and CIA funding to counter any and all terrorist attacks or assassination attempts.

And what would be the penalty for those who choose to follow the old ways?

Let me guess -- sent to the camps.

It would start out with fines probably.

You assume? You didn't pray on it first?

I guess You don't need god anymore, do You?

Of course God directs every step.

He's not the Supreme Pontiff in American law now -- but people choose to think of him as such.

How will You deal with unorthodox thought?

Let me guess -- send them to the camps.

again unorthodox churches simply have tax exemption, they would be just like now. But christian churches would recieve federal tax dollars. Again we are not geared philosophically to accept a theocratic style of government. It would create social unrest and most likely a huge out cry of the people. That is why I dont' think it will work. But when Jesus's kingdom comes we christians will have glorified bodies like the angels, and will be his enforcers in the kingdom, judging the gentile nations in blessing. So there would be no need for national guard because we could not be killed with conventional warfare.

And who holds You or Your directors accountable?

I do, I would probably have taps on their phones and computers and everything through the NSA. I am sort of a computer geek, so I would want to know if they were into inappropriate content or other stuff. Right now I have kasperski parental protection on my kids phones to keep them from viewing bad stuff, it also blocks apps according to their age. My 10 year old for example could not download an adult rated app, same with my teen. I would do something to this affect. I also would check credit reports, and interview spouses making sure family duties were held up, and that they were providing for their home responsibly. IF not they would be disqualified as timothy I think mentions all of this regarding deacons in the church.

Who boots You out if You're not doing Your part?

I would be the apostle of the church so to say. There are technically only 12 apostles. But sometimes a pivotal member of the christian community is labelled an apostle. So hopefully I could have that label, I cannot give it to my self that is for sure. Some say Chuck smith for example was the apostle of the Jesus movement of the seventies, a revival in southern california.

Which verses will You decide need to be memorized and which ones will You decide are unimportant?

First off it would be verses regarding God and government, mans roles in leadership etc. Then it would be other verses about those things and others that came up.

You said earlier that You wouldn't.

"Other wise they could vote me out, and that would not work."

Did You forget... or did You expect us to?

I would assume like in the Lord of the Rings, having absolute power in the united states as a new kingship of God, that this would get to ones head. I mean look at the pope, after all they kiss his hand and sort of worship the guy. I would not desire that. So if I got to haughty, I would need to be replaced or pawn off some of my job to three others, or more. 7 others. Or at worst be replaced. I am assuming I could not handle it, as I am not a politician or a leader. I can't even get my kid to go to bed on time or mow my lawn at a reasonable date.

Did You just quote a non-Christian work of literature to justify Your rise to power? Why yes, I think You did.

Tolkien was a undercover christian, most of his works were symbolic of the christian faith. The book the similrilian is sort of the key to the whole thing, but similrilian never got popular so no one ever figured it out.

Who can veto You?

If you read the old testament, God was very good at telling crooked kings that they had sinned and sent prophets to them to pronounce soon to be divine judgment either in the form of plague, invasion, or defeat in another area, it happened dozens of times. Again all leaders would be required to read the law and the prophets and the new testament regularly.

Off to the camps with them...

It would depend.

The camps will be busy at first... but eventually things will wind down... as people leave Your kingdom.

Well social security and medicare are over half of the federal budget right now, we could use some thinning out of the population, and/or a simple reform to the system. And I prefer the later.

Off to the camps with the lot of them...

You know, the most oppressive Islamic theocracies have similar laws, with far more brutal penalties for breaking them... and yet homosexuality, adultery, and fornication still exist.

How will You succeed where they all failed?

Well religion without Jesus is just a religion. Religion does not save, Jesus does.

We? Don't You mean "You would edit it in time"?

After all, others might disagree with You.

I like richard weatherhills views, he is quite popular, I also like Jordan Peterson and June hunt. I would have a lot of advisors on various things.

Under penalty of imprisonment.

No they would just get fired. No biggy.

You really think anyone is going to surrender themselves... to You?

Surrender to Christ's kingdom, silly. Think of it this way. If we could set up Christ's kingdom on earth, we could prepare the world for his kingdom to come. Would God be blessed with that endeavor?

createdtoworship · Jan 12, 2020

Speedwell said:
What it boils down to is that you would have to create your Christian nation by force. Conversion by the sword... I can think of another Abrahamic religion which has been accused of doing it that way.

If the Bible was legislated and going against it was treason, then yes....people would have to be punished. But I think fining them would be first. If they didn't like the new nation started a militia and tried to overthrow the christian nation, we would have to call the national guard. Islam kills non christians because their books are violent. Jesus came and was over all pretty pacifist. But He did say that one could defend their selves, by selling their cloak and buying a sword. That has many political implications. But I don't see Jesus endorsing the long sword, or a sword for military. Again police and military could defend the nation from within and without, but we could not fund things like infinate wars for oil or other commodity, or invasions for land grabs. Even though that is initially what happened with the pilgrims. But they were seeking freedom of religion and freedom to have a family, not to get rich.

createdtoworship · Jan 12, 2020

This is what happens when God is not invited into politics, ten commandment monuments taken down, candy canes illegal...

religious freedom removed little by little:

A Constitutional Crisis Over . . . Candy Canes? Apparently So! | American Center for Law and Justice

timothyu · Jan 12, 2020

createdtoworship said:
religious freedom removed little by little:

Would the Middle East function differently if religion was kept separate from state? Religious disputes would be treated as gang wars?

Speedwell · Jan 12, 2020

createdtoworship said:
This is what happens when God is not invited into politics, ten commandment monuments taken down, candy canes illegal...

religious freedom removed little by little:

A Constitutional Crisis Over . . . Candy Canes? Apparently So! | American Center for Law and Justice

Ah, yes. That ancient and revered symbol of Christianity, the candy cane.

TLK Valentine · Jan 12, 2020

createdtoworship said:
the Bible says "with many couselors there is wisdom." So according to proverbs if we are to legislate the scripturs, we must have many counselors.

But only one King.

You probably don't. but large changes can affect economy and create social unrest, so it would have to be ammended in short bursts.

before it's eventually discarded entirely.

Well everyone on the team would be expected to pray over every decision of course. The Bible says "not by might, not by power, but by my spirit, says the Lord."

And when their spirit disagrees with yours, what then?

Well no need to pray right now, thats for sure. We are just brain storming at this point. But ultimately every decision would be with prayer.

No need to bring god into it, eh?

Yes if this ever happened we would probably have to increase national guard, and police and FBI and CIA funding to counter any and all terrorist attacks or assassination attempts.

Indeed -- the King, that is to say, You, must be protected at all costs. Especially from all the people you plan to send to the camps.

It would start out with fines probably.

Defiance of the ChurchState will cost you your money.... run out of money, and ChurchState takes your house... lose that, and it's off to the camps.

You're going to be quite the wealthy King...

Of course God directs every step.

Sounds more like You than god.

again unorthodox churches simply have tax exemption, they would be just like now. But christian churches would recieve federal tax dollars.

As long as You decide they're Christian enough.

Again we are not geared philosophically to accept a theocratic style of government. It would create social unrest and most likely a huge out cry of the people. That is why I dont' think it will work.

Not without sending a lot of malcontents to the camps... then the rest will fall in line.

How fortunate then that You plan to do precisely that.

But when Jesus's kingdom comes we christians will have glorified bodies like the angels, and will be his enforcers in the kingdom, judging the gentile nations in blessing. So there would be no need for national guard because we could not be killed with conventional warfare.

But of course -- but in the meantime, you've got the national guard to herd the malcontents to the camps.

I do, I would probably have taps on their phones and computers and everything through the NSA. I am sort of a computer geek, so I would want to know if they were into inappropriate content or other stuff.

And who's to monitor Your phone and computer?

Right now I have kasperski parental protection on my kids phones to keep them from viewing bad stuff, it also blocks apps according to their age. My 10 year old for example could not download an adult rated app, same with my teen. I would do something to this affect.

Treat people like children, and control them accordingly.

I can think of about 200 million adults who will not look kindly on Your choice to infantalize them.

I also would check credit reports, and interview spouses making sure family duties were held up, and that they were providing for their home responsibly. IF not they would be disqualified as timothy I think mentions all of this regarding deacons in the church.

You would do all this? You're going to be pretty busy... playing god. You know, all seeing, all knowing, all judging...

I would be the apostle of the church so to say. There are technically only 12 apostles. But sometimes a pivotal member of the christian community is labelled an apostle. So hopefully I could have that label, I cannot give it to my self that is for sure. Some say Chuck smith for example was the apostle of the Jesus movement of the seventies, a revival in southern california.

Sure You can -- Paul did it to himself; all he had to do was claim in his letters that he was selected by God... 1 Corinthians 1:1, 2 Corinthians 11:5, Galatians 1:1....

... You've already done that much for yourself; might as well take the title that goes with it. Nobody questioned Paul's credentials, and You're one up on him: You're a King now!

First off it would be verses regarding God and government, mans roles in leadership etc. Then it would be other verses about those things and others that came up.

Right -- the ones that justify Your rule in God's name would be the important ones.

I would assume like in the Lord of the Rings, having absolute power in the united states as a new kingship of God, that this would get to ones head. I mean look at the pope, after all they kiss his hand and sort of worship the guy. I would not desire that. So if I got to haughty, I would need to be replaced or pawn off some of my job to three others, or more. 7 others. Or at worst be replaced. I am assuming I could not handle it, as I am not a politician or a leader. I can't even get my kid to go to bed on time or mow my lawn at a reasonable date.

And yet You have aspirations to be my King...

Tolkien was a undercover christian, most of his works were symbolic of the christian faith. The book the similrilian is sort of the key to the whole thing, but similrilian never got popular so no one ever figured it out.

The world is full of undercover Christians -- You might end up sending a few to the camps by mistake.

If you read the old testament, God was very good at telling crooked kings that they had sinned and sent prophets to them to pronounce soon to be divine judgment either in the form of plague, invasion, or defeat in another area, it happened dozens of times. Again all leaders would be required to read the law and the prophets and the new testament regularly.

Perhaps we should coronate you as King Ahab? Your first official act will be sending Your Elijah to the camps.

It would depend.

Depend on what?

Well social security and medicare are over half of the federal budget right now, we could use some thinning out of the population, and/or a simple reform to the system. And I prefer the later.

A pity, because Your plan will lead to the former... the churches will only help those they decide are deserving of it... as will You.

Well religion without Jesus is just a religion. Religion does not save, Jesus does.

And what can Jesus accomplish with a King such as Yourself?

I like richard weatherhills views, he is quite popular, I also like Jordan Peterson and June hunt. I would have a lot of advisors on various things.

Again, it's all about You and the people You like -- you're not even bothering to pray over any of this, are You?

No they would just get fired. No biggy.

But they defied the Bible -- you said before that that merited imprisonment.

Surrender to Christ's kingdom, silly. Think of it this way. If we could set up Christ's kingdom on earth, we could prepare the world for his kingdom to come. Would God be blessed with that endeavor?

But Christ isn't the King in this Kingdom... You are.

Or is this all dependent on people not noticing the difference?

timothyu · Jan 12, 2020

createdtoworship said:
Surrender to Christ's kingdom, silly. Think of it this way. If we could set up Christ's kingdom on earth, we could prepare the world for his kingdom to come. Would God be blessed with that endeavor?

Sounds like the original sin. Why would we even assume God's Kingdom would be made in our fallen image? Who are we to call the shots?

TLK Valentine · Jan 12, 2020

timothyu said:
Sounds like the original sin. Why would we even assume God's Kingdom would be made in our fallen image? Who are we to call the shots?

Well, he's the King, and if we don't fall in line, we'll be inmates # 182256 and #182257 at the camps.

Howdy, neighbor.

timothyu · Jan 12, 2020

TLK Valentine said:
Well, he's the King

oh

createdtoworship · Jan 12, 2020

timothyu said:
Would the Middle East function differently if religion was kept separate from state? Religious disputes would be treated as gang wars?

probably, unless they had ability to have militia's like here.

createdtoworship · Jan 12, 2020

TLK Valentine said:
But only one King.

Well at least until the Biblical framework was set up and checks and balances, but with the ability not to be voted away.

before it's eventually discarded entirely.

I am not sure what would be left of the original constitution, I believe they were speaking for men when that was written, not for God's glory.

And when their spirit disagrees with yours, what then?

I have over all power to remove from office, but they may have better ideas than mine, and I don't doubt that. That's why the Bible says to have lots of counselors. But if I disagree with their view, we simply wouldn't use it.

No need to bring god into it, eh?

Imagine having a dream about some utopia. Do you pray about it? Me neither, not at this point.

Indeed -- the King, that is to say, You, must be protected at all costs. Especially from all the people you plan to send to the camps.

Defiance of the ChurchState will cost you your money.... run out of money, and ChurchState takes your house... lose that, and it's off to the camps.

I don't think I would use camps, I would use educational centers and prisons. But most people would just get fined I think.

You're going to be quite the wealthy King...

10% of all proceeds goes directly to charity. Since churches get all social security medicare and wellfare funds, that would be like 60-70 percent of the federal income.

Sounds more like You than god.

well you don't believe in God or christianity so you would fight me on this, I get that. But one day it will happen for sure.

As long as You decide they're Christian enough.

again my apologetics directors would vote on every denomination if they were orthodox christian.

Not without sending a lot of malcontents to the camps... then the rest will fall in line.

How fortunate then that You plan to do precisely that.

Not sure. Probably just fines like I said, but if they got violent, just like now, that would have more severe punishment.

But of course -- but in the meantime, you've got the national guard to herd the malcontents to the camps.

if private militia's tried to overthrow the theocracy, then that would be met with miltary action in self defense.

And who's to monitor Your phone and computer?

Oh I have more protections on my computer than everybody, inappropriate content filters, word search blockers you name it. Purity software.

Treat people like children, and control them accordingly.

I can think of about 200 million adults who will not look kindly on Your choice to infantalize them.

I think fantasizing online about a girl you will never meet to be infantile indeed.

You would do all this? You're going to be pretty busy... playing god. You know, all seeing, all knowing, all judging...

we would have the NSA to help with this.

Sure You can -- Paul did it to himself; all he had to do was claim in his letters that he was selected by God... 1 Corinthians 1:1, 2 Corinthians 11:5, Galatians 1:1....

... You've already done that much for yourself; might as well take the title that goes with it. Nobody questioned Paul's credentials, and You're one up on him: You're a King now!

again no one can one up the apostles, we can only try to compete with them in good works. Hebrews 11 mentions running the race of godliness.

Right -- the ones that justify Your rule in God's name would be the important ones.

And yet You have aspirations to be my King...

The world is full of undercover Christians -- You might end up sending a few to the camps by mistake.

Perhaps we should coronate you as King Ahab? Your first official act will be sending Your Elijah to the camps.

Depend on what?

A pity, because Your plan will lead to the former... the churches will only help those they decide are deserving of it... as will You.

yes we decide welfare currently on application status, it will be no different.

And what can Jesus accomplish with a King such as Yourself?

Again, it's all about You and the people You like -- you're not even bothering to pray over any of this, are You?

Why as an athiest are you so worried about my personal prayer life? What are you afraid of? I already said I pray over everything.

But they defied the Bible -- you said before that that merited imprisonment.

But Christ isn't the King in this Kingdom... You are.

Or is this all dependent on people not noticing the difference?

The Bible does say to meditate on the scripture but it does not mention having daily readings, that is just something I would require. But only because we are human and tend to avoid homework at all costs.

TLK Valentine · Jan 12, 2020

createdtoworship said:
Well at least until the Biblical framework was set up and checks and balances, but with the ability not to be voted away.

Of course... You can't risk any threats to Your absolute power.

I am not sure what would be left of the original constitution, I believe they were speaking for men when that was written, not for God's glory.

And since You speak for god's glory, You have no need for a Constitution.

I have over all power to remove from office, but they may have better ideas than mine, and I don't doubt that. That's why the Bible says to have lots of counselors. But if I disagree with their view, we simply wouldn't use it.

Sounds like it doesn't matter if their ideas are better than Yours... only if You like it.

Imagine having a dream about some utopia. Do you pray about it? Me neither, not at this point.

My utopia doesn't send millions of people to the camps.

I don't think I would use camps, I would use educational centers and prisons. But most people would just get fined I think.

"Re-education centers" -- that's what China calls them.

10% of all proceeds goes directly to charity. Since churches get all social security medicare and wellfare funds, that would be like 60-70 percent of the federal income.

And of course the churches will be properly audited?

...or do you trust them?

well you don't believe in God or christianity so you would fight me on this, I get that. But one day it will happen for sure.

I'll fight You on this because I don't believe in You.. but I can understand Your confusion.

again my apologetics directors would vote on every denomination if they were orthodox christian.

With You reserving absolute zero power, of course.

Not sure. Probably just fines like I said, but if they got violent, just like now, that would have more severe punishment.

Funny thing about fines -- people get poor enough because of them, and they'll be collecting charity from the churches. You'll just be giving their money back to them...

if private militia's tried to overthrow the theocracy, then that would be met with miltary action in self defense.

More than private militias... you've got every non-Christian who refuses to convert... they must be forced.

Oh I have more protections on my computer than everybody, inappropriate content filters, word search blockers you name it. Purity software.

Interesting... one would wonder what You're trying to protect Yourself from...

I think fantasizing online about a girl you will never meet to be infantile indeed.

So let it be written, so let it be done.

we would have the NSA to help with this.

Goodbye Fourth Amendment.

again no one can one up the apostles, we can only try to compete with them in good works. Hebrews 11 mentions running the race of godliness.

But You've already won -- You're the King.

Yes we decide welfare currently on application status, it will be no different.

Except it's now a question of how godly they are...

Why as an athiest are you so worried about my personal prayer life? What are you afraid of?

I want to know, when I end up in the camps, if it's on god's authority, or Your own.

I already said I pray over everything.

...and also that You don't.
"Imagine having a dream about some utopia. Do you pray about it? Me neither, not at this point." -- must've been done other King.

The Bible does say to meditate on the scripture but it does not mention having daily readings, that is just something I would require. But only because we are human and tend to avoid homework at all costs.

Sounds like You're improving on the Bible already... what a surprise.

GreatLakes4Ever · Jan 12, 2020

So... @createdtoworship has to be a Poe, right? No one can in good conscience possibly put for this government structure as a good thing to be strived for. This is the type of government a sci-fi writer creates for his story set in dystopian hellscape. This thing would give the Democratic People’s Republic of Korea a run for its money on who can trample more human rights.

createdtoworship · Jan 12, 2020

GreatLakes4Ever said:
So... @createdtoworship has to be a Poe, right? No one can in good conscience possibly put for this government structure as a good thing to be strived for. This is the type of government a sci-fi writer creates for his story set in dystopian hellscape. This thing would give the Democratic People’s Republic of Korea a run for its money on who can trample more human rights.

Just wait till the return of christ, where you will have police officers flying at the speed of light to a homosexual sex act in sector three. The Bible says "I will rule with a rod of iron." Meaning it will be tough. All of God's laws will be strictly enforced. Crime will no doubt sink to the lowest level in history, world peace will emerge. Jesus is the only one who can do this because Jesus is the only one who can judicially crack down on sin. I was just thinking of doing a kingship for God, a theocracy in His name and for His glory. But I don't think we have an army big enough or well suited enough for the initial outcry against the government. I mean things like sex before marriage would be illegal, smoking, drinking to get drunk, gambling, watching R rated movies and many pg13 movies. There would be volumes of rules and regulations. I would be grand. Ultimately people would start simply to think holiness to the Lord, then the regulations and rules go out the window because you WANT to please Him. It's a fine line between freedom of religion and having free will to decide to be saved. But ultimately even if legally they are required to be biblical, I guess they can still choose not to believe in Jesus should they choose to do so.

createdtoworship · Jan 12, 2020

TLK Valentine said:
Of course... You can't risk any threats to Your absolute power.

My power, or God's power?

And since You speak for god's glory, You have no need for a Constitution.

probably true

Sounds like it doesn't matter if their ideas are better than Yours... only if You like it.

most people that are rational and honest with themselves will like ideas that are genuinely better than their own. So unless you have a problem with this, I am not sure why you mention it.

My utopia doesn't send millions of people to the camps.

the theocracy would prefer not to imprison people, it just depends on if they are a harm to themselves or others. Suicide would be illegal. But not sure exactly how to punish someone who killed themselves. Physician assisted suicide would definitely be illegal, as well as abortion.

"Re-education centers" -- that's what China calls them.

I would rather be in one of God's reeducation centers versus a communists camp any day.

And of course the churches will be properly audited?

...or do you trust them?

Not sure, NSA can do a lot of things. I am fairly sure there will be no privacy. See right now with the angelic realm all of our thoughts are laid out before the angelic realm and God. So when people think that bizare, evil or wicked thought....yeah that is broadcast among the angelic network. This is just my theory. But to me, I can't see how demonic influence could be so fluid as to interject thoughts interwoven amongst a neural network, if they were not already in the network.

I'll fight You on this because I don't believe in You.. but I can understand Your confusion.

It's ok. the Bible says "they will hate you because they hated me first." So I don't take it personally, since I listen and obey someone else, it's not me you disagree with.

With You reserving absolute zero power, of course.

I would be their checks and balances, until some type of algorithm of doctrine could be made. I am sure all of that is already done. We could ultimately write the tenants of the christian faith in a software, and they would simply take a test. But the directors would oversee it, and see if people are faking answers just to get in the network for instance, so they would interview people attending the church, and sit in as spies, and the NSA would tap their broadcasts.
Funny thing about fines -- people get poor enough because of them, and they'll be collecting charity from the churches. You'll just be giving their money back to them...

More than private militias... you've got every non-Christian who refuses to convert... they must be forced.

Like I said in another post, you have to be Biblical, you don't have to believe the Bible or in Jesus. You must simply follow the commandments as they would literally be civil law at that point.

Interesting... one would wonder what You're trying to protect Yourself from...

myself. I need accountability like anyone. But to be honest I haven't struggled with inappropriate contentography in 3 years, and been free for 5 years.
The reality is some Christians struggle with habitual bad habits such as alcoholism, inappropriate contentography, drugs, etc & you've told yourself many times: "This is going to be the last time" But only to be defeated again. Don't give up Friends. Keep praying. Keep reading.Keep fighting. Victory awaits in Christ and only Christ!

So let it be written, so let it be done.

Goodbye Fourth Amendment.

You think the NSA follows the fourth ammendment. Wishfull thinking. to them that is just talking about police raiding your home. They don't even need to be there.

But You've already won -- You're the King.

prosperity is not all it's cracked up to be. The kingdom is not based on the accumulation of things, but on doing the will of God.

Except it's now a question of how godly they are...

I don't think wellfare would be based on godliness. Just like wellfare currently is not restricted to felons. If you commit a crime and go to jail, you would no longer need your wellfare.

I want to know, when I end up in the camps, if it's on god's authority, or Your own.

Well since all laws would be based on the Bible and since I didn't write the Bible, it would be God's authority.

...and also that You don't.
"Imagine having a dream about some utopia. Do you pray about it? Me neither, not at this point." -- must've been done other King.

Yes this is all a dream, it's not reality. I don't logically think it will work so I don't pray for it. The only way for it to work would be supernatural abilities of the government. For instance say an athiest was causing division in sector six, Imagine trying to convince a newly recruited detective to go over there, and take away your freedom of speech which no longer exists by the way, and ticket you, and if you resist to cuff you and arrest you. All because we took away the freedom of religion. Not only would people hate it, the government employees would hate it. See this is partly I think the motive for armaggedon. See armaggedon is at the tail end of Christ's earthly kingdom where He does just what we talked about in this thread. People will hate Jesus with a passionate hatred, because He legislated christianity. And they will all die at that war.

Sounds like You're improving on the Bible already... what a surprise.

Like I said the Bible mentions meditating on the word, but gives no requirement literally speaking. but we would have to know they were doing it, one way to know is a daily reading requirement, by an app login or other.

Here is a verse about God's kingdom:

Dan 2:44 In the days of those kings shall the God of heaven set up a kingdom which shall never be destroyed, nor shall its sovereignty be left to another people; but it shall break in pieces and consume all those kingdoms, and it shall stand forever.

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I've already read the books you want burned.

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I've already read the books you want burned.

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In the grip of grace

In the grip of grace

I've already read the books you want burned.

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In the grip of grace

In the grip of grace

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