True saving faith is proven by your repentance

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Continuing repentance is necessary for having an acceptable heart attitude before the Lord.

At the moment you were born-again …
you were only forgiven of the sins you had committed up to that point in time!

“For he who lacks these things is shortsighted, even to blindness,
and has forgotten that he was cleansed from his OLD sins.
Therefore, brethren, be even more diligent to make your call
and election sure, for IF you do these things you will never stumble;
for so an entrance will be supplied to you abundantly into the everlasting
kingdom of our Lord and Savior Jesus Christ.” (2 Peter 1:9-11, NKJV)

“OLD sins” is also in the KJV, RSV, NLT, AMP
“having forgotten his purification from his FORMER sins.” (2 Peter 1:9, NASB)
“forgetting that they have been cleansed from their PAST sins.” (2 Peter 1:9, NIV)


“… justified freely by His grace through the redemption that is in Christ Jesus,
whom God set forth as a propitiation by His his blood through faith,
to demonstrate His righteousness, because in His forbearance God had
passed over the sins that were previously committed” (Romans 3:24-25, NKJV)


Paul wrote this to the Corinthian church concerning his words of rebuke
in 1 Corinthians that he had sent to them concerning some particular sin(s).
They really needed to be sorrowful and repent.

“… the pain (from his rebuke) caused you to repent and change your ways.
It was the kind of sorrow God wants His people to have, so you were not
harmed by us in any way. For the kind of sorrow God wants us to experience
leads us away from sin and results in salvation. … worldly sorrow, which lacks
repentance, results in spiritual (eternal) death.” (2 Corinthians 7:8-10, NLT)


“Yes, I am afraid that when I come again, God will humble me in your presence.
And I will be grieved because many of you have not given up your old sins.
You have not repented of your impurity, sexual immorality,
and eagerness for lustful pleasure.” (2 Corinthians 12:21, NLT)

Immediately following this (in 2 Corinthians 13:1-10), Paul warns and threatens:
if the habitual sinners do not repent, he must exercise his authority to punish them!
How different in churches today ... where most pastors do not confront habitual sinners!


Peter is warning believers about God’s destruction of all ungodly and unholy people:
“Then he used the water to destroy the ancient (ungodly) world … the day of judgment,
when ungodly people will be destroyed. … He is being patient for your sake. He does not
want anyone to be destroyed (perish spiritually), but (He) wants everyone to repent.
… what holy and godly lives you should live … make every effort to be found living
peaceful lives that are pure and blameless in his sight. … I am warning you ahead of time
… Be on guard so that you will not be carried away by the errors …” (2 Peter 3:6-17, NLT)


John gives the condition for the Lord to forgive believers’ present sins:
“But if we confess our sins to him, he is faithful and just to forgive us our sins
and to cleanse us from all wickedness (unrighteousness).” (1 John 1:9, NLT)
This is an extremely important verse … all men need to be repeatedly purified from all
unrighteousness – from all their sins … We must confess our sins and turn from them
… We must also confess them with our actions … (John) is talking here about repentance
… we must hate our sins and turn from them. This is true repentance.
(The Applied New Testament Commentary; Dr. Thomas Hale, medical missionary, charismatic)


2 verses later, John reminds believers to ask Jesus to plead our case before the Father:
“My dear children, I am writing this to you so that you will not sin.
But if anyone does sin, we have an advocate who pleads our case before
the Father. He is Jesus Christ, the one who is truly righteous.” (1 John 2:1, NLT)


Believers are responsible for repenting of their sins after they are born-again!
They have been given the Holy Spirit, a totally new nature, and God’s word.
So, they have been enabled to be victorious overcomers over sin, the world,
and the devil. They have no excuse for failing to do this.


“Repent of your wickedness and pray to the Lord.
Perhaps He will forgive your evil thoughts (i.e. sins).” (Acts 8:22, NLT)


“Dear friends, if we deliberately continue sinning after we have
received knowledge of the truth, there is no longer any sacrifice
that will cover these sins” (Hebrews 10:26, NLT)


Jesus warns 5 of the 7 churches to repent in Revelation 2 - Revelation 3.

Repent (metanoeo) and believe (pisteou) may be understood as opposite sides of the same coin.
Repent means to turn from one’s allegiance to sin and unbelief, whereas believe means
to place one’s trust in Christ. Thus when one is mentioned the other is implied.
… John never used the words repent, repentance, or faith to describe the way people are saved.
Instead, he used believe since this term included all of these ideas.
(The Holman Christian Standard Bible)

No it's not , u can become Christian after being shot in war having your guts falling off your body and then dying 10 sec after with 0 repentance you made it to heaven and no works.
 
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How far do you take this line of reasoning? If one were to repent of every sin, but miss one, would he be lost for eternity? I believe we are to rely on Christ to save us, not our limited memories.
I agree with that repentance is about turning to the Lord Jesus Christ as your saviour and not about your sins.
 
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So, you don't believe 2 Peter 1:9, etc.
Great ... You believe your own opinions, biases, false doctrines, etc.
Heard and seen the verse many times.
I'm not lacking those things.
Does not apply.
Jeepers -- is that all you have?
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So the premise of the thread, that 'Continuing repentance is necessary for having an acceptable heart attitude before the Lord.' is flawed, since true BAC simply don't sin?

Yes, it is flawed. There are two types of sin, and a true Christian cannot commit adultery, murder, lie or steal, etc. because those are willful sins against God's laws, so are against God, Himself.

9 Whoever has been born of God does not sin, for His seed remains in him; and he cannot sin, because he has been born of God.

Liberal teachers say this means a Christian doesn't "practice" those sins. But it actually means they have no desire to commit these sins even once.

The other type of sin is unintentional sins, that we might commit, but it is not even in our nature to want to commit these. But if we do, Jesus is our Advocate, just like in 1 John 1:7 of a person who is walking in the Spirit, yet the blood of Jesus is continuing to cleanse him of sins he isn't aware of. But there is a condition found in Matthew 6:14-15.
 
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Continuing repentance is necessary for having an acceptable heart attitude before the Lord.

At the moment you were born-again …
you were only forgiven of the sins you had committed up to that point in time!

“For he who lacks these things is shortsighted, even to blindness,
and has forgotten that he was cleansed from his OLD sins.
Therefore, brethren, be even more diligent to make your call
and election sure, for IF you do these things you will never stumble;
for so an entrance will be supplied to you abundantly into the everlasting
kingdom of our Lord and Savior Jesus Christ.” (2 Peter 1:9-11, NKJV)

“OLD sins” is also in the KJV, RSV, NLT, AMP
“having forgotten his purification from his FORMER sins.” (2 Peter 1:9, NASB)
“forgetting that they have been cleansed from their PAST sins.” (2 Peter 1:9, NIV)


“… justified freely by His grace through the redemption that is in Christ Jesus,
whom God set forth as a propitiation by His his blood through faith,
to demonstrate His righteousness, because in His forbearance God had
passed over the sins that were previously committed” (Romans 3:24-25, NKJV)


Paul wrote this to the Corinthian church concerning his words of rebuke
in 1 Corinthians that he had sent to them concerning some particular sin(s).
They really needed to be sorrowful and repent.

“… the pain (from his rebuke) caused you to repent and change your ways.
It was the kind of sorrow God wants His people to have, so you were not
harmed by us in any way. For the kind of sorrow God wants us to experience
leads us away from sin and results in salvation. … worldly sorrow, which lacks
repentance, results in spiritual (eternal) death.” (2 Corinthians 7:8-10, NLT)


“Yes, I am afraid that when I come again, God will humble me in your presence.
And I will be grieved because many of you have not given up your old sins.
You have not repented of your impurity, sexual immorality,
and eagerness for lustful pleasure.” (2 Corinthians 12:21, NLT)

Immediately following this (in 2 Corinthians 13:1-10), Paul warns and threatens:
if the habitual sinners do not repent, he must exercise his authority to punish them!
How different in churches today ... where most pastors do not confront habitual sinners!


Peter is warning believers about God’s destruction of all ungodly and unholy people:
“Then he used the water to destroy the ancient (ungodly) world … the day of judgment,
when ungodly people will be destroyed. … He is being patient for your sake. He does not
want anyone to be destroyed (perish spiritually), but (He) wants everyone to repent.
… what holy and godly lives you should live … make every effort to be found living
peaceful lives that are pure and blameless in his sight. … I am warning you ahead of time
… Be on guard so that you will not be carried away by the errors …” (2 Peter 3:6-17, NLT)


John gives the condition for the Lord to forgive believers’ present sins:
“But if we confess our sins to him, he is faithful and just to forgive us our sins
and to cleanse us from all wickedness (unrighteousness).” (1 John 1:9, NLT)
This is an extremely important verse … all men need to be repeatedly purified from all
unrighteousness – from all their sins … We must confess our sins and turn from them
… We must also confess them with our actions … (John) is talking here about repentance
… we must hate our sins and turn from them. This is true repentance.
(The Applied New Testament Commentary; Dr. Thomas Hale, medical missionary, charismatic)


2 verses later, John reminds believers to ask Jesus to plead our case before the Father:
“My dear children, I am writing this to you so that you will not sin.
But if anyone does sin, we have an advocate who pleads our case before
the Father. He is Jesus Christ, the one who is truly righteous.” (1 John 2:1, NLT)


Believers are responsible for repenting of their sins after they are born-again!
They have been given the Holy Spirit, a totally new nature, and God’s word.
So, they have been enabled to be victorious overcomers over sin, the world,
and the devil. They have no excuse for failing to do this.


“Repent of your wickedness and pray to the Lord.
Perhaps He will forgive your evil thoughts (i.e. sins).” (Acts 8:22, NLT)


“Dear friends, if we deliberately continue sinning after we have
received knowledge of the truth, there is no longer any sacrifice
that will cover these sins” (Hebrews 10:26, NLT)


Jesus warns 5 of the 7 churches to repent in Revelation 2 - Revelation 3.

Repent (metanoeo) and believe (pisteou) may be understood as opposite sides of the same coin.
Repent means to turn from one’s allegiance to sin and unbelief, whereas believe means
to place one’s trust in Christ. Thus when one is mentioned the other is implied.
… John never used the words repent, repentance, or faith to describe the way people are saved.
Instead, he used believe since this term included all of these ideas.
(The Holman Christian Standard Bible)

The idea of repentance is for the Jews and can be viewed from the parable of the tenants, told in all 3 synoptic gospels. (Matthew 21:33-46; Mark 12:1-12; Luke 20:9-19)

When Jesus and the 12 were preaching from Matt-John, they need to repent of rejecting God their Father in the OT, and believe in his Son is their promised King and Messiah, as foretold by their prophets.

But as Jesus told them in the parable of the tenants, they were wicked and decided to slay the son instead, thinking they can then take control of the vineyard. The words they told Pilate was really horrific from this perspective

Matthew 27:25 Then answered all the people, and said, His blood be on us, and on our children.

When Jesus was on the cross, he asked his father to forgive them for this act, because they know not what they do, the Father agreed to Jesus request.

So when Peter urged his Jewish brothers at Pentecost to repent (Acts 2:38), they are to repent from their horrific act of murdering the Son of God, and accept him once again as the Son of God and their King.

But of course they did not, so God blinded them temporary.

Repentance for Gentiles is not strictly necessary. We need to believe in Jesus's death burial and resurrection for our sins. If there is repentance, it more to repent of our works to get right with God, and rest in Jesus's finished works.
 
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Continuing repentance is necessary for having an acceptable heart attitude before the Lord.

At the moment you were born-again …
you were only forgiven of the sins you had committed up to that point in time!

“For he who lacks these things is shortsighted, even to blindness,
and has forgotten that he was cleansed from his OLD sins.
Therefore, brethren, be even more diligent to make your call
and election sure, for IF you do these things you will never stumble;
for so an entrance will be supplied to you abundantly into the everlasting
kingdom of our Lord and Savior Jesus Christ.” (2 Peter 1:9-11, NKJV)

“OLD sins” is also in the KJV, RSV, NLT, AMP
“having forgotten his purification from his FORMER sins.” (2 Peter 1:9, NASB)
“forgetting that they have been cleansed from their PAST sins.” (2 Peter 1:9, NIV)


“… justified freely by His grace through the redemption that is in Christ Jesus,
whom God set forth as a propitiation by His his blood through faith,
to demonstrate His righteousness, because in His forbearance God had
passed over the sins that were previously committed” (Romans 3:24-25, NKJV)


Paul wrote this to the Corinthian church concerning his words of rebuke
in 1 Corinthians that he had sent to them concerning some particular sin(s).
They really needed to be sorrowful and repent.

“… the pain (from his rebuke) caused you to repent and change your ways.
It was the kind of sorrow God wants His people to have, so you were not
harmed by us in any way. For the kind of sorrow God wants us to experience
leads us away from sin and results in salvation. … worldly sorrow, which lacks
repentance, results in spiritual (eternal) death.” (2 Corinthians 7:8-10, NLT)


“Yes, I am afraid that when I come again, God will humble me in your presence.
And I will be grieved because many of you have not given up your old sins.
You have not repented of your impurity, sexual immorality,
and eagerness for lustful pleasure.” (2 Corinthians 12:21, NLT)

Immediately following this (in 2 Corinthians 13:1-10), Paul warns and threatens:
if the habitual sinners do not repent, he must exercise his authority to punish them!
How different in churches today ... where most pastors do not confront habitual sinners!


Peter is warning believers about God’s destruction of all ungodly and unholy people:
“Then he used the water to destroy the ancient (ungodly) world … the day of judgment,
when ungodly people will be destroyed. … He is being patient for your sake. He does not
want anyone to be destroyed (perish spiritually), but (He) wants everyone to repent.
… what holy and godly lives you should live … make every effort to be found living
peaceful lives that are pure and blameless in his sight. … I am warning you ahead of time
… Be on guard so that you will not be carried away by the errors …” (2 Peter 3:6-17, NLT)


John gives the condition for the Lord to forgive believers’ present sins:
“But if we confess our sins to him, he is faithful and just to forgive us our sins
and to cleanse us from all wickedness (unrighteousness).” (1 John 1:9, NLT)
This is an extremely important verse … all men need to be repeatedly purified from all
unrighteousness – from all their sins … We must confess our sins and turn from them
… We must also confess them with our actions … (John) is talking here about repentance
… we must hate our sins and turn from them. This is true repentance.
(The Applied New Testament Commentary; Dr. Thomas Hale, medical missionary, charismatic)


2 verses later, John reminds believers to ask Jesus to plead our case before the Father:
“My dear children, I am writing this to you so that you will not sin.
But if anyone does sin, we have an advocate who pleads our case before
the Father. He is Jesus Christ, the one who is truly righteous.” (1 John 2:1, NLT)


Believers are responsible for repenting of their sins after they are born-again!
They have been given the Holy Spirit, a totally new nature, and God’s word.
So, they have been enabled to be victorious overcomers over sin, the world,
and the devil. They have no excuse for failing to do this.


“Repent of your wickedness and pray to the Lord.
Perhaps He will forgive your evil thoughts (i.e. sins).” (Acts 8:22, NLT)


“Dear friends, if we deliberately continue sinning after we have
received knowledge of the truth, there is no longer any sacrifice
that will cover these sins” (Hebrews 10:26, NLT)


Jesus warns 5 of the 7 churches to repent in Revelation 2 - Revelation 3.

Repent (metanoeo) and believe (pisteou) may be understood as opposite sides of the same coin.
Repent means to turn from one’s allegiance to sin and unbelief, whereas believe means
to place one’s trust in Christ. Thus when one is mentioned the other is implied.
… John never used the words repent, repentance, or faith to describe the way people are saved.
Instead, he used believe since this term included all of these ideas.
(The Holman Christian Standard Bible)
Continuing repentance is necessary for having an acceptable heart attitude before the Lord.

At the moment you were born-again …
you were only forgiven of the sins you had committed up to that point in time!

“For he who lacks these things is shortsighted, even to blindness,
and has forgotten that he was cleansed from his OLD sins.
Therefore, brethren, be even more diligent to make your call
and election sure, for IF you do these things you will never stumble;
for so an entrance will be supplied to you abundantly into the everlasting
kingdom of our Lord and Savior Jesus Christ.” (2 Peter 1:9-11, NKJV)

“OLD sins” is also in the KJV, RSV, NLT, AMP
“having forgotten his purification from his FORMER sins.” (2 Peter 1:9, NASB)
“forgetting that they have been cleansed from their PAST sins.” (2 Peter 1:9, NIV)


“… justified freely by His grace through the redemption that is in Christ Jesus,
whom God set forth as a propitiation by His his blood through faith,
to demonstrate His righteousness, because in His forbearance God had
passed over the sins that were previously committed” (Romans 3:24-25, NKJV)


Paul wrote this to the Corinthian church concerning his words of rebuke
in 1 Corinthians that he had sent to them concerning some particular sin(s).
They really needed to be sorrowful and repent.

“… the pain (from his rebuke) caused you to repent and change your ways.
It was the kind of sorrow God wants His people to have, so you were not
harmed by us in any way. For the kind of sorrow God wants us to experience
leads us away from sin and results in salvation. … worldly sorrow, which lacks
repentance, results in spiritual (eternal) death.” (2 Corinthians 7:8-10, NLT)


“Yes, I am afraid that when I come again, God will humble me in your presence.
And I will be grieved because many of you have not given up your old sins.
You have not repented of your impurity, sexual immorality,
and eagerness for lustful pleasure.” (2 Corinthians 12:21, NLT)

Immediately following this (in 2 Corinthians 13:1-10), Paul warns and threatens:
if the habitual sinners do not repent, he must exercise his authority to punish them!
How different in churches today ... where most pastors do not confront habitual sinners!


Peter is warning believers about God’s destruction of all ungodly and unholy people:
“Then he used the water to destroy the ancient (ungodly) world … the day of judgment,
when ungodly people will be destroyed. … He is being patient for your sake. He does not
want anyone to be destroyed (perish spiritually), but (He) wants everyone to repent.
… what holy and godly lives you should live … make every effort to be found living
peaceful lives that are pure and blameless in his sight. … I am warning you ahead of time
… Be on guard so that you will not be carried away by the errors …” (2 Peter 3:6-17, NLT)


John gives the condition for the Lord to forgive believers’ present sins:
“But if we confess our sins to him, he is faithful and just to forgive us our sins
and to cleanse us from all wickedness (unrighteousness).” (1 John 1:9, NLT)
This is an extremely important verse … all men need to be repeatedly purified from all
unrighteousness – from all their sins … We must confess our sins and turn from them
… We must also confess them with our actions … (John) is talking here about repentance
… we must hate our sins and turn from them. This is true repentance.
(The Applied New Testament Commentary; Dr. Thomas Hale, medical missionary, charismatic)


2 verses later, John reminds believers to ask Jesus to plead our case before the Father:
“My dear children, I am writing this to you so that you will not sin.
But if anyone does sin, we have an advocate who pleads our case before
the Father. He is Jesus Christ, the one who is truly righteous.” (1 John 2:1, NLT)


Believers are responsible for repenting of their sins after they are born-again!
They have been given the Holy Spirit, a totally new nature, and God’s word.
So, they have been enabled to be victorious overcomers over sin, the world,
and the devil. They have no excuse for failing to do this.


“Repent of your wickedness and pray to the Lord.
Perhaps He will forgive your evil thoughts (i.e. sins).” (Acts 8:22, NLT)


“Dear friends, if we deliberately continue sinning after we have
received knowledge of the truth, there is no longer any sacrifice
that will cover these sins” (Hebrews 10:26, NLT)


Jesus warns 5 of the 7 churches to repent in Revelation 2 - Revelation 3.

Repent (metanoeo) and believe (pisteou) may be understood as opposite sides of the same coin.
Repent means to turn from one’s allegiance to sin and unbelief, whereas believe means
to place one’s trust in Christ. Thus when one is mentioned the other is implied.
… John never used the words repent, repentance, or faith to describe the way people are saved.
Instead, he used believe since this term included all of these ideas.
(The Holman Christian Standard Bible)
For if these things be in you, and abound, they make you that ye shall neither be barren nor unfruitful in the knowledge of our Lord Jesus Christ. But he that lacketh these things is blind, and cannot see afar off, and hath forgotten that he was purged from his old sins. 2Peter1:8-9 Here Peter is telling us to realize that you are a new man once purged from your sins and have become a partaker of the divine nature. Then, with knowledge and faith, with the divine nature within, one becomes fruitful because you are a new man. A person may have an occasional struggle but if you truly have Christ/God in you, then you shall overcome!
 
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The idea of repentance is for the Jews
Repentance for Gentiles is not strictly necessary.



We need to believe in Jesus's death burial and resurrection for our sins. If there is repentance, it more to repent of our works to get right with God, and rest in Jesus's finished works.

Been to many different churches during my life and have never heard that taught.
Key word -- never.

Been listening to Christian radio for 50 something years and have never heard that taught.
Key word -- never.

M
 
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When you repent and are born again, is it not then that you become aware of your sins? Painfully aware most of the time. You are still in the flesh, so a huge struggle begins between your newly alive Spirit and your old fleshly ways. We know what the sins we have and have previously embraced, and we stumble into them when we allow ourselves to be weak. In this battle we need to "...Put on the whole armor of God, that you may stand against the wiles of the devil..." Ephesians 6:11. That implies a battle is engaged. Battles have gains and losses. We are still in our mortal flesh, so we need to train. That implies that our flesh is imperfect and we need to work at it. James talks about works confirming our salvation. The continued repentance is that we know we are sinning and when we do we are extremely bothered by it...sometimes maybe for days because we know we are disappointed in ourselves and that we have stumbled. "...Keep your servant from willful sins; may they not rule over me..." Psalm 19:13. Again, that verse implies a battle.

To drift a bit off topic...Many people seem turned off by faith because they say God threatens punishment, that He is cruel. In my view they have it backward...God is not cruel or threatening. He is rather offering a free gift of pardon and of Himself and His nature that is yours if you choose. The punishment comes only in the refusing the free gift. You reject God, so even then He gives you what you want; separation from Him.
 
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Been to many different churches during my life and have never heard that taught.
Key word -- never.

Been listening to Christian radio for 50 something years and have never heard that taught.
Key word -- never.

M

What do you think 1 Cor 15:1-4 and other passages like Romans 10:9 is telling us how Gentiles are saved? Do they have to repent of their sins first?
 
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1 John 1:9 "if WE confess OUR sins" was written by a devout Christian to fellow Christians. The Apostle Paul. again. in Romans 7 discusses his PRESENT TENSE battle with sin. Are you saying that the man you have been quoting wasn't a Christian?

As I have been taught by Pastors over the years the English word "sin" used in English translations actually has different meanings in the Hebrew or Greek languages. In many NT verses it means "practice sin" or "habitual sin." Has anybody else been taught that?
 
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Yes, it is flawed. There are two types of sin, and a true Christian cannot commit adultery, murder, lie or steal, etc. because those are willful sins against God's laws, so are against God, Himself.

9 Whoever has been born of God does not sin, for His seed remains in him; and he cannot sin, because he has been born of God.

Liberal teachers say this means a Christian doesn't "practice" those sins. But it actually means they have no desire to commit these sins even once.

The other type of sin is unintentional sins, that we might commit, but it is not even in our nature to want to commit these. But if we do, Jesus is our Advocate, just like in 1 John 1:7 of a person who is walking in the Spirit, yet the blood of Jesus is continuing to cleanse him of sins he isn't aware of. But there is a condition found in Matthew 6:14-15.

Gluttony is a sin too, and I am sure you have seen Christians who are obese. Are they not true Christians to you then?
 
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If you say you believe and you are saved, you will gradually change into a more Christ-like person. People that say they believe but continue to sin without feeling guilty are on the fence. Those that are neither hot or cold will be spit out of His mouth.

The only way you will gradually change into a more Christ like person is to repent and decide to become like - act like Christ.
 
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Gluttony is a sin too, and I am sure you have seen Christians who are obese. Are they not true Christians to you then?

Knowing that there are many causes of obesity other than gluttony, I cannot judge. If someone breaks their back and they are alone and the house gets dirty, are you going to say they are slothful? Are you just immediately going to jump to laziness? God sees the motives and reasons, and praise God, He doesn't jump to conclusions.
 
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1 John 1:9 "if WE confess OUR sins" was written by a devout Christian to fellow Christians. The Apostle Paul. again. in Romans 7 discusses his PRESENT TENSE battle with sin. Are you saying that the man you have been quoting wasn't a Christian?

As I have been taught by Pastors over the years the English word "sin" used in English translations actually has different meanings in the Hebrew or Greek languages. In many NT verses it means "practice sin" or "habitual sin." Has anybody else been taught that?

There are people who preach OSAS who have tried to take the Greek and teach that it's ok to sin occassionaly as long as it's not a practice. And they preach that John is talking about habitual sin.

The problem is, even IF their parsing of Greek was correct (it isn't) there's the problem of the grammar elsewhere.

God is light and there in him is no darkness. - That phrase no darkness can be translated, "not even one darkness."

Darkness is of course sin. Even one sin takes us out of fellowship with God.
 
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At the moment you were born-again …
you were only forgiven of the sins you had committed up to that point in time!

“For he who lacks these things is shortsighted, even to blindness,
and has forgotten that he was cleansed from his OLD sins.
Therefore, brethren, be even more diligent to make your call
and election sure, for IF you do these things you will never stumble;
for so an entrance will be supplied to you abundantly into the everlasting
kingdom of our Lord and Savior Jesus Christ.” (2 Peter 1:9-11, NKJV)

“OLD sins” is also in the KJV, RSV, NLT, AMP
“having forgotten his purification from his FORMER sins.” (2 Peter 1:9, NASB)
“forgetting that they have been cleansed from their PAST sins.” (2 Peter 1:9, NIV)


“… justified freely by His grace through the redemption that is in Christ Jesus,
whom God set forth as a propitiation by His his blood through faith,
to demonstrate His righteousness, because in His forbearance God had
passed over the sins that were previously committed” (Romans 3:24-25, NKJV)

It seems rather obvious that if a man is in Christ, God has forgiven his past sins. This is what being justified and sanctified by Christ entails. (1 Corinthians 1:30) But the atoning sacrifice of Christ is so great that it extends forward, too, covering the sins of the present and future.

Hebrews 10:10-14
10 By the which will we are sanctified through the offering of the body of Jesus Christ once for all.
11 And every priest stands daily ministering and offering oftentimes the same sacrifices, which can never take away sins:
12 But this man, after he had offered one sacrifice for sins for ever, sat down on the right hand of God;
13 From henceforth expecting till his enemies be made his footstool.
14 For by one offering he has perfected for ever them that are sanctified.

Born again believers who sin - and they DO sin (see 1 Corinthians 3, 5, 6, 11) - ought to follow the advice of 1 John 1:9, but not in order to return to a relationship with God, but in order to restore fellowship with Him. All who have been made children of God can never cease to be so (John 10:28-29; Hebrews 13:5; Philippians 1:6), but they will cease to enjoy fellowship with Him when they sin (See the Story of the Prodigal Son).
 
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It is impossible for a human to be completely sinless. The holly spirit purifies us. Some of us become holly. Stil if someone thinks that he/she has no sins then he/she already commits a sin because only God is the judge. Also for a human is difficult to be fully righteous always and in every situation because a human is not a God. So I think that to be humble, careful, leaving in repentance and praying to Jesus for guidance is a good thing for us to do.


Everyone who sins knows that they sin, when they sin, if they are aware of God's law. Not the old testament law, I mean the law of Christ. And it is a law and we are called to obey it. You better be the judge for yourself lest you be judged on the last day as having sinned and not sought forgiveness.
 
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Born again believers who sin - and they DO sin (see 1 Corinthians 3, 5, 6, 11) - ought to follow the advice of 1 John 1:9, but not in order to return to a relationship with God, but in order to restore fellowship with Him. All who have been made children of God can never cease to be so (John 10:28-29; Hebrews 13:5; Philippians 1:6), but they will cease to enjoy fellowship with Him when they sin (See the Story of the Prodigal Son).

Fellowship = relationship. Sin is what causes death. Not physical death, death to our relationship with God. It still causes death in Christians. That's what John was teaching.
 
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