What About Dinosaurs?

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Show me one single science text book on evolutionism that states its theory in the form "11 For in six days the Lord made the heavens and the earth, the sea, and all that is in them, and rested the seventh day. Therefore the Lord blessed the Sabbath day and hallowed it." Ex 20:11

That's "legal code" in Exodus 20... it is not literature that can be bent to "myth" or "fiction" ..
No fiction about it...but "days" are obviously not what we know as 24hrs. The 24hr time and calendar was created by man, not God..man just realized the true beauty of his creation through...you guessed...science. The Bible doesnt disprove science, and science doesnt disprove the Bible...they orove each other and support each other.
 
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No fiction about it...but "days" are obviously not what we know as 24hrs. The 24hr time and calendar was created by man, not God..man just realized the true beauty of his creation through...you guessed...science. The Bible doesnt disprove science, and science doesnt disprove the Bible...they orove each other and support each other.
I beg to differ... In fact, I believe that God full well knew that humans would pull that stunt with the "these weren't 24 hour days"...... So... He made sure that it said, each time... There was evening, there was morning, the first day... the second day.. the third day.

Therefore, as I said before, and got accused of saying that someone didn't believe in the gospel..

IF you do not want to read these verses as they are written... in a context that even a child can comprehend.... and understand that these were days... 24 hour days... like we have today and have had since that time..... THEN.... why do you even bother believing all the wonders and miraculous events of Christ's life.. one of the most miracle filled times of history...... including the Gospel message and Christ's work on the cross? HUH?

Are you saying that God could not do it in six literal days?

If you believe that He could, in fact, create all that HE created, as He said that HE created, in the time frame indicated...AND He told us that He did it in that time frame.....

I am 100% certain that He did it.
 
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This relates, I think. Augustine commented in the City of God that he had once seen a giant molar tooth, which he decided was from an antediluvian giant:

"I myself, along with some others, saw on the shore at Utica a man's molar tooth of such a size, that if it were cut down into teeth such as we have, a hundred, I fancy, could have been made out of it. But that, I believe, belonged to some giant...But, as I said, the bones which are from time to time discovered prove the size of the bodies of the ancients, and will do so to future ages, for they are slow to decay" (City of God XV.9).

Of course, who knows whether the original owner of the molar was dinosaur or Nephilim? You be the judge. For what it's worth, I say dinosaur.

CHURCH FATHERS: City of God, Book XV (St. Augustine)
 
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I beg to differ... In fact, I believe that God full well knew that humans would pull that stunt with the "these weren't 24 hour days"...... So... He made sure that it said, each time... There was evening, there was morning, the first day... the second day.. the third day.

Therefore, as I said before, and got accused of saying that someone didn't believe in the gospel..

IF you do not want to read these verses as they are written... in a context that even a child can comprehend.... and understand that these were days... 24 hour days... like we have today and have had since that time..... THEN.... why do you even bother believing all the wonders and miraculous events of Christ's life.. one of the most miracle filled times of history...... including the Gospel message and Christ's work on the cross? HUH?

Are you saying that God could not do it in six literal days?

If you believe that He could, in fact, create all that HE created, as He said that HE created, in the time frame indicated...AND He told us that He did it in that time frame.....

I am 100% certain that He did it.

Well, you have your opinion and I have mine. Thats what makes this country great!
 
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One reason I believe but have some doubt about the bible is because man found dinosaur fossils and other things that confirm the Earth is older than the bible says. So if the bible is true, why doesn't it mention Dinosaurs? If it's true, then why does it say the earth is only thousands of years old?


There are some excellent scholars... And, there are lazy students who want only tradition without reasoning.

The Bible most definitely makes it clear in the original languages that we are not the first creation to grace the surface of this earth. Nor, are we to be the last created world to grace the surface of this earth.

I have no idea what some refuse to reason in light of what the Bible tells us. But, they do refuse. Its as if they think they are honoring God by accepting what is not rational, and claim that is what faith is all about.

Here is an example of a work (free online) that explains how what the Hebrew texts reveal that there was another creation before ours. Its baffling how they refuse to reason because they view intellectual understanding as being not spiritual ....


The author: The Arthur C. Custance Centre

The book: WITHOUT FORM AND VOID
Arthur C. Custance
Without Form and Void - Frontpage


Some other books to consider...


The Invisible War : The Panorama of the Continuing Conflict Between Good and Evil
by Donald Grey Barnhouse

Invisible War, The book by Donald Grey Barnhouse

CREATION, CHAOS, AND RESTORATION
by R. B. Thieme

R. B. Thieme, Jr., Bible Ministries — Creation, Chaos, and Restoration
 
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I beg to differ... In fact, I believe that God full well knew that humans would pull that stunt with the "these weren't 24 hour days"...... So... He made sure that it said, each time... There was evening, there was morning, the first day... the second day.. the third day.

Therefore, as I said before, and got accused of saying that someone didn't believe in the gospel..

IF you do not want to read these verses as they are written... in a context that even a child can comprehend.... and understand that these were days... 24 hour days... like we have today and have had since that time..... THEN.... why do you even bother believing all the wonders and miraculous events of Christ's life.. one of the most miracle filled times of history...... including the Gospel message and Christ's work on the cross? HUH?

Are you saying that God could not do it in six literal days?

If you believe that He could, in fact, create all that HE created, as He said that HE created, in the time frame indicated...AND He told us that He did it in that time frame.....

I am 100% certain that He did it.

Is this literally the flesh and blood of Jesus Christ?

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If you say no, then you have absolutely no right to say what you've said in your post above.

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No fiction about it...but "days" are obviously not what we know as 24hrs.

You say obviously like its a fact. If it's a fact you are claiming the author didn't intend for it to be read as 24 hour days? And also that you have other scripture that backs up your claim?
Can you spell out these facts for us please.
 
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One reason I believe but have some doubt about the bible is because man found dinosaur fossils and other things that confirm the Earth is older than the bible says. So if the bible is true, why doesn't it mention Dinosaurs? If it's true, then why does it say the earth is only thousands of years old?

Hi again faith,

Well, I hope that you've found your answer in these many posts with varying understandings. My encouragement? Trust God. He's the only one that was there.

God bless,
In Christ, ted
 
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Is this literally the flesh and blood of Jesus Christ?
-CryptoLutheran

No. Christ died once and does not come back down to be crucified again.

1 Peter 3:18
For Christ also suffered once for sins, the righteous for the unrighteous, to bring you to God. He was put to death in the body but made alive in the Spirit.
 
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No fiction about it...but "days" are obviously not what we know as 24hrs. The 24hr time and calendar was created by man, not God..man just realized the true beauty of his creation through...you guessed...science. The Bible doesnt disprove science, and science doesnt disprove the Bible...they orove each other and support each other.

Hi steppinrazor,

That's not really the truth. God created the day and the night. Now, man didn't identify that time of a complete day and night as 24 hrs. for quite a bit longer, but God created the conception of a day.

Personally, I agree with jacksbratt, because I know first of all the power and majesty of God and I fully believe that His Scriptures are intended to tell us a complete history of the created universe in which we live. Would I call it a science book? No. Would I call it true in what it tells me even though it's not a science book? Yes!!

God claims, in His word, to know the end from the beginning. He is the Alpha and the Omega. He creates things that are not, to be. Out of nothing! He doesn't need some infinitesimally small 'point' of great energy to explode to be what we see all around us. He merely need speak His desire that a thing exist and it does.

His word also tells us that God is all knowing. So, here again, I agree with jacksbratt. God knew on the day that He stepped into this black inky emptiness and proclaimed, "Let there be light!", that the day would come when His created beings would question His truth. He knew it as sure as He knows anything else. So, I fully and faithfully believe that as God was leading Moses to write down His truth of how all things came to be, He specifically and purposefully had Moses to write down for each day, "and there was evening and there was morning" of that day.

He did that so that His children could discern the truth in this argument of how long one of the creation days were in the day that God created the heavens and the earth and all that is in them. Knowing full well that this day, today, would come to His children. Just as any good father prepares his children for the future, God also has prepared His children for the future.

I fully and faithfully believe that there was a real purpose for God listing off the genealogies of Adam with the specific years of each father's life until that father had a specific son. God could have just had Moses write down the genealogies just as Matthew did in the gospel account. That this father begat that son and so forth on down the line until we come to Noah and then Abraham...but He didn't. Because I believe that God is wiser than I will ever hope to imagine to be, I believe that there is very, very little contained in God's word that is not exactly how He wanted it to be said. Just as Jesus proclaimed that God gave him his words to speak, I also believe that God gave Moses the very words to write.

This idea does find some support when we look into the new studies being done in letter sequencing in the Tanakh. The thinking being that the only way we could find the equidistant letter sequencing that seems to spell out so many words describing earthly events, is that God actually gave Moses the very words to write in his account of all that God had him to declare to us about God. The effect doesn't appear to work well in any other written material as it does in the Tanakh.

My understanding is that God wrote a book and that book is perfect. It is not only perfect in its foundational truth, but it is also perfect in 'how' that truth is revealed to us.

God wrote a book. In that book He describes how He created all that is in this realm of our existence in six days. Each one consisting of an evening and a morning. That pretty much denies that the period God was calling a day, could be some long age of many days. Then His book tells us that on the sixth of those days, He created man. Then He accounts for us the number of years that passed from the day that first man was created, through to Abraham. He then even gives us an accounting of days beyond Abraham as His word also gives us the years of life that a specific line of His people lived up until Joshua carries the people of God into the land of promise.

Now, I full understand that many deny these facts to be as I believe them to be. However, I also know that throughout the history of God's dealing with mankind, there has always been this tension between those who believe God and those who claim to. Judaism began with a man by the name of Abram of Ur, and yet by the time his descendants were carried out on the wings of an eagle by God, most didn't actually believe God. When the 12 spies went to look over the land, 10 of the 12 came back with fearful reports. Not believing that God really had the power to do what He had said that He would do. For that sin, the entire nation, over 20 years old at the time, died in the wilderness.

This no different. God wrote a book and He asks us to believe Him even in the face of doubt and fear and the many other theories of man as to how we got to be where we are in this the 2020th year after our Lord and Savior visited us. I'm standing with God and I find plenty of evidence that He insinuated into His account to support that belief. There's good reason that the Scriptures don't just tell us that on the first day God created some things and thus ended that first day. For me, there's good reason that the genealogies in Genesis are not listed in the same manner that Matthew listed them.

God bless,
In Christ, ted
 
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One reason I believe but have some doubt about the bible is because man found dinosaur fossils and other things that confirm the Earth is older than the bible says. So if the bible is true, why doesn't it mention Dinosaurs? If it's true, then why does it say the earth is only thousands of years old?

I think it is not confirmed really that they are as old as it is claimed. Many believe they are old, because that is what the evolution theory requires. And I think Bible may be speaking of dinosaurs, for example in here:

See now, behemoth, which I made as well as you. He eats grass as an ox. Look now, his strength is in his loins, His force is in the muscles of his belly. He moves his tail like a cedar: The sinews of his thighs are knit together. His bones are like tubes of brass. His limbs are like bars of iron. He is the chief of the ways of God. He who made him gives him his sword.
Job 40:15-19

Also, Bible doesn’t really give age for earth and all animals, which is why it is possible that earth is very old.
 
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I think it is not confirmed really that they are as old as it is claimed. Many believe they are old, because that is what the evolution theory requires. And I think Bible may be speaking of dinosaurs, for example in here:

See now, behemoth, which I made as well as you. He eats grass as an ox. Look now, his strength is in his loins, His force is in the muscles of his belly. He moves his tail like a cedar: The sinews of his thighs are knit together. His bones are like tubes of brass. His limbs are like bars of iron. He is the chief of the ways of God. He who made him gives him his sword.
Job 40:15-19

Also, Bible doesn’t really give age for earth and all animals, which is why it is possible that earth is very old.

Taking the Bible as truth, it's only possible for it to be old (highly doubt millions let alone billions of years) if the earth sat formless and void with nothing happening for sometime before God started creation week. Still that has nothing to do with animals or man though which were all created recently in the creation week some thousand of years ago. The theory of evolution conflicts not only with Genesis but other scripture.

There are two dinosaurs mentioned in Job. The term dinosaur has only been around since 1842 when paleontologist Richard Owen invented the term and it caught on. Before then they were called dragons.
 
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Professor James Barr, Regius Professor of Hebrew at the University of Oxford, has written:‘Probably, so far as I know, there is no professor of Hebrew or Old Testament at any world-class university who does not believe that the writer(s) of Genesis 1–11 intended to convey to their readers the ideas that: (a) creation took place in a series of six days which were the same as the days of 24 hours we now experience
And there we have a definitive answer as to what Professor James Barr believes that the writer(s) of Genesis thought. And I suppose if we don't agree with the learned prof then we aren't allowed to believe the Gospel, either, am I right?
 
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Are you saying that God could not do it in six literal days?
"Could" and "did" are two different critters, aren't they? Obviously He could have done anything at all, but He didn't do a whole lot of things that He could have had He so desired.

He told us that He did it in that time frame.....
No, He didn't. That's your inference, which I happen to reject.
 
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Is this literally the flesh and blood of Jesus Christ?

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If you say no, then you have absolutely no right to say what you've said in your post above.

-CryptoLutheran
"Oh, but that couldn't be literally true!"
 
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