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Just take Jesus at his word and you will understand the purpose of prophecy. It is not fortune telling.
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Of course not. But it takes lot's of reverse engineering to twist Ezekiel 38 into a prophecy of the future. It is kin to fortune telling. Have you noticed Jesus always prophesied so that they would believe when it came to pass? That is, they didn't know anything until the fulfillment connected the dots.
who is they and what prophecy are you talking about ?
Are you saying that Jesus in the four gospels referred to Ezekiel 38 ?
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Prophecy understood only after fulfillment.
“And now I have told you before it come to pass, that, when it is come to pass, ye might believe.” John 14:29 (KJV 1900)
“So when He was raised from the dead, His disciples remembered that He said this; and they believed the Scripture and the word which Jesus had spoken.” John 2:22 (NASB95)
“Now I tell you before it come, that, when it is come to pass, ye may believe that I am he.” John 13:19 (KJV 1900)
“But these things have I told you, that when the time shall come, ye may remember that I told you of them. And these things I said not unto you at the beginning, because I was with you.” John 16:4 (KJV 1900)
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Okay, now what do those verses have to do with Ezekiel 38 and 39, Gog and Magog, fulfilled already or still not yet fulfilled, the topic of this thread?
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Are you saying after Gog and Magog, and half way through the 7 years that follow when the Jews perceived messiah betrays them like the bible indicates - that they (the current unbelieving Jews) will then believe that Jesus is the messiah?
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How would anyone associate Ezekiel 38 with anything other than Esther? Only shade tree prophecy buffs would be able to untangle the mess. Which will never happen. Only if twisted to the breaking point.
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Because nothing in Esther is latter years and latter days, Ezekiel 38:8 and Ezekiel 38:16. And Jesus did not return to earth in Esther's day, like He will in Ezekiel 39:21.
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This has been happening since the first advent. We can see this if we understand the kingdom according to Jesus. And not the Pharisees.
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First advent - give the specific verses in Ezekiel.
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If the first advent of Christ (which you are claiming is the latter years and latter days of Ezekiel 38), and was not in Esther's days, then fulfillment of Ezekiel 38-39 in the latter years and latter days was not in Esther's day.
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Study the kingdom according to Jesus and not the Pharisees. You'll begin understanding prophecy his way.
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If the first advent of Christ (which you are claiming is the latter years and latter days of Ezekiel 38), and was not in Esther's days, then fulfillment of Ezekiel 38-39 in the latter years and latter days was not in Esther's day.
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Esther describes a war in Persia , not Israel. Ezekiel is specific , the coalition invades then falls in Israel
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You have your mind fixed on your training. I was fortunate to see through Dispensationalism having been taught it from the first time I set foot in a church.
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Dave, the issue is not dispensationalism. It is your irrational thinking that Gog/Magog has taken place, when the text says in the latter years and latter days, not in Esther's time.
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