Holy laughter?

murjahel said:

Charles Spurgeon mentioned a ‘holy laughter’. Many have seen or experienced such a laughter. When one who has been shamed from sin, burdened by guilt, finds the forgiveness and love of Jesus, there can be a holy laughter or joy and peace. This is good, and of God.

Jonathan Edwards observed emotions of varying types in his ministry. There was ‘trembling, loud outcries, and agonies of soul."

John and Charles Wesley tell of a laughing spirit that needed a rebuke.
"In the evening, such a spirit of laughter was among us, that many were offended. But the attention of all was fixed on (one) poor (woman), whom we all knew was dissembled. One so violently and variously torn of the devil, one did I never see before. Sometimes, she laughed till almost strangled. Then they broke into cursing and blaspheming. Then stomped and struggled with incredible strength, so that four or five could scarcely hold her... It is important to note that prayer in the name of Jesus Christ brought instant deliverance to those under the spirit of laughter."

There are legitimate and God-inspired times of holy laughter, but there are also, devil inspired disruptions and distractions of laughter.

In 1994, at the Toronto Airport Christian Fellowship, during the service, people collapsed, laughed uncontrollably. Soon crowds of a thousand packed the place. By May of the next year, 700,000 people had visited the services.

The experience became known as the "Toronto Blessing". It was a physical phenomenon manifested by continuous laughter, gutteral utterances (animal noises) for an extended time.

Some believed it was a manifestation of the Holy Spirit. It occurred during preaching of the sermon, during the altar call, at prayer times. It can afflict one, several, or the whole congregation.

There would occur laughing hysterically, some falling over, some crumbling to the floor, jerking, twitching, screaming, swaying, roaring, barking like a dog, hooting like owls, crowing, mooing, oinking, hissing, etc. noises, dancing, squirming like snakes, hopping like kangaroos.

David Wilkerson in his sermon ‘Reproach of the Solemn Assembly’ as reported in Charisma magazine in October, 1999, said:
"I weep when I see these videos sent to me from all over the -country. Whole groups of bodies jerking out of control, falling on the floor, laughing hysterically, staggering around like drunkards."

Sinner and saints alike are taken in the laughing, and many a sinner has walked out, exhausted from the hysterical laughter, but still a sinner, still unrepentant. If mankind resolves sin, they receive real joy.

Psalms 51:8-12
"Make me to hear joy and gladness... restore unto me, the joy of Thy salvation."

"Holy hysteria" is the devil’s distraction from repentance. The adherents to this demonic doctrine say ‘receive it first, analyze it later." Do we do that with what we put into our mouths? No... and the Scriptural truth advises spirit, we do not accept any Scripture without testing it by the Word first.

I John 4:1
"...do not believe every but test the spirits, whether they are from God..."

I Thessalonians 5:21
"Test everything, hold on to the good."

The adherents say the Christian should lose control.

Demons are enthusiastic about this, for they seek yielded vessels submitting to their control. We are to give control to God, not to demons. Self control is a fruit of the Spirit, and to yield your self control is not even what the Lord asks of us. God never takes mankind out of control.

II Peter 1:5-9
"But also for this very reason, giving all diligence, add to your faith, virtue; and to virtue, knowledge; to knowledge, self control; to self control, perseverance..."

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"Now I am astonished to find those persons that thus come before me so well instructed in the doctrines of grace and so sound in all the truths of the covenant, insomuch that I may think it my boast and glory, in the name of Jesus, that I know not that we have any members, whom we have received into the church, who do not give their full assent and consent unto all the doctrines of the Christian religion, commonly called Calvinistic doctrines Those which men are wont to laugh at as being high doctrinal points, are those which they most readily receive, believe, and rejoice in. I find, however, that the greatest deficiency lies in this point, forgetfulness of the work of the Holy Spirit. I find them very easily remembering the work of God the Father; they do not deny the great doctrine of election; they can see clearly the great sentence of justification passed by the Father upon the elect through the vicarious sacrifice and perfect righteousness of Jesus; and they are not backward in understanding the work of Jesus either: they can see how Christ was the substitute for his people and stood in their room, place and stead; nor do they for one moment impugn any doctrine concerning God's Spirit; but they are not clear upon the point: they can talk upon the other points better than they can upon those which more particularly concern the blessed work of that all adorable person of the Godhead, God the Holy Spirit."
The Work of the Holy Spirit by C. H. Spurgeon

murjahel said:

Charles Spurgeon mentioned a ‘holy laughter’. Many have seen or experienced such a laughter. When one who has been shamed from sin, burdened by guilt, finds the forgiveness and love of Jesus, there can be a holy laughter or joy and peace. This is good, and of God.

Jonathan Edwards observed emotions of varying types in his ministry. There was ‘trembling, loud outcries, and agonies of soul."

John and Charles Wesley tell of a laughing spirit that needed a rebuke.
"In the evening, such a spirit of laughter was among us, that many were offended. But the attention of all was fixed on (one) poor (woman), whom we all knew was dissembled. One so violently and variously torn of the devil, one did I never see before. Sometimes, she laughed till almost strangled. Then they broke into cursing and blaspheming. Then stomped and struggled with incredible strength, so that four or five could scarcely hold her... It is important to note that prayer in the name of Jesus Christ brought instant deliverance to those under the spirit of laughter."

There are legitimate and God-inspired times of holy laughter, but there are also, devil inspired disruptions and distractions of laughter.

In 1994, at the Toronto Airport Christian Fellowship, during the service, people collapsed, laughed uncontrollably. Soon crowds of a thousand packed the place. By May of the next year, 700,000 people had visited the services.

The experience became known as the "Toronto Blessing". It was a physical phenomenon manifested by continuous laughter, gutteral utterances (animal noises) for an extended time.

Some believed it was a manifestation of the Holy Spirit. It occurred during preaching of the sermon, during the altar call, at prayer times. It can afflict one, several, or the whole congregation.

There would occur laughing hysterically, some falling over, some crumbling to the floor, jerking, twitching, screaming, swaying, roaring, barking like a dog, hooting like owls, crowing, mooing, oinking, hissing, etc. noises, dancing, squirming like snakes, hopping like kangaroos.

David Wilkerson in his sermon ‘Reproach of the Solemn Assembly’ as reported in Charisma magazine in October, 1999, said:
"I weep when I see these videos sent to me from all over the -country. Whole groups of bodies jerking out of control, falling on the floor, laughing hysterically, staggering around like drunkards."

Sinner and saints alike are taken in the laughing, and many a sinner has walked out, exhausted from the hysterical laughter, but still a sinner, still unrepentant. If mankind resolves sin, they receive real joy.

Psalms 51:8-12
"Make me to hear joy and gladness... restore unto me, the joy of Thy salvation."

"Holy hysteria" is the devil’s distraction from repentance. The adherents to this demonic doctrine say ‘receive it first, analyze it later." Do we do that with what we put into our mouths? No... and the Scriptural truth advises spirit, we do not accept any Scripture without testing it by the Word first.

I John 4:1
"...do not believe every but test the spirits, whether they are from God..."

I Thessalonians 5:21
"Test everything, hold on to the good."

The adherents say the Christian should lose control.

Demons are enthusiastic about this, for they seek yielded vessels submitting to their control. We are to give control to God, not to demons. Self control is a fruit of the Spirit, and to yield your self control is not even what the Lord asks of us. God never takes mankind out of control.

II Peter 1:5-9
"But also for this very reason, giving all diligence, add to your faith, virtue; and to virtue, knowledge; to knowledge, self control; to self control, perseverance..."

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"
There is doubtless true religion in heaven, and true religion in its utmost
purity and perfection. But according to the Scripture representation of
the heavenly state, the religion of heaven consists chiefly in holy and
mighty love and joy, and the expression of these in most fervent and
exalted praises. So that the religion of the saints in heaven, consists in the
same things with that religion of the saints on earth, which is spoken of in
our text, viz., love, and "joy unspeakable and full of glory." Now it would
be very foolish to pretend, that because the saints in heaven be not united
to flesh and blood, and have no animal fluids to be moved (through the
laws of union of soul and body) with those great emotions of their souls,
that therefore their exceeding love and joy are no affections. We are not
speaking of the affections of the body, but of the affections of the soul, the
chief of which are love and joy. When these are in the soul, whether that
be in the body or out of it, the soul is affected and moved. And when they
are in the soul, in that strength in which they are in the saints in heaven,
the soul is mightily affected and moved, or, which is the same thing, has
great affections. It is true, we do not experimentally know what love and
joy are in a soul out of a body, or in a glorified body; " http://www.monergism.com/thethresho...e on Religious Affecti - Jonathan Edwards.pdf

" When the exercises were over, the young people that were present removed into the other room for religious conference; and particularly that they might have opportunity to inquire of those, that were thus affected, what apprehensions they had, and what things they were that thus deeply impressed their minds; and there soon appeared a very great effect of their conversation; the affection was quickly propagated throughout the room; many of the young people and children, that were professors, appeared to be overcome with a sense of the greatness and glory of divine things, and with admiration, love, joy, and praise, and compassion to others, that looked upon themselves as in a state of nature; and many others at the same time were overcome with distress, about their sinful and miserable estate and condition; so that the whole room was full of nothing but outcries, faintings, and the like. Others soon heard of it in several parts of the town, and came to them; and what they saw and heard there, was greatly affecting to them, so that many of them were overpowered in like manner, and it continued thus for some hours; the time being spent in prayer, singing, counselling, and conferring. There seemed to be a consequent happy effect of that meeting, to several particular persons, and on the state of religion in the town in general. " The Works of Jonathan Edwards, Volume One

The hint, lead came from here: Holy Laughter and Other Phenomena in Evangelical and Holiness Revival Movements - Paul King Ministries

His best book I have read is, Only Believe: Examining the Origin and Development of Classic and Contemporary Word of Faith Theologies by Paul Kinghttp://paulkingministries.com/shop/only-believe-examining-the-origin-and-development-of-classic-and-contemporary-word-of-faith-theologies/

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Daniel Marsh said:

In Acts 2, They were mocking the Apostles by saying they were drunk. I do not think what they said was genuine.

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Act 2:15 For these men are not drunk, as you suppose...

Peter didn't say they were mocking the men but rather that they were supposing them to be drunk.

If they were only mocking them, then they were not actually supposing them to be drunk, and Peter (the Bible) is wrong!! So either Peter (the Bible) is wrong or the conclusion that they were only mocking but not actually supposing so as to be genuine is wrong.

As for me, I think Peter (the Bible) must have be correct. That they were actually supposing those whom the Spirit moved upon were drunk. They were not correct in that assumption, but they were certainly genuine in their supposition. They of course were mocking them also (Acts 2:13), but that mocking was clearly based upon their supposition, according to the Bible (Peter)

Of course, this thread is on Holy Laughter, and it seems a bit unclear as to whether there was a lot of laughter when the Spirit fell like toughs of fire as recorded in Acts. Certainly there was amazement, but laughter? So my comments in the prior posts were not about Acts, but that laughter (Isaac) was promised.

So there probably was laughter when the Spirt fell, because the Spirit was the promise they were waiting for. Thus the conclusion that there was probably laughter also seems to me to be a correct conclusion based upon both laughter and the Spirit were promise and they were waiting for the promise, but in doesn't directly mention laughter, that I can see, in Acts. That might have been part of the reason that those mocking them were doing so because they were actually supposing them to be drunk, according to Peter.

So what happens today. The Spirit will fall in some church that is praising God and people start speaking in tongues, and things like Holy Laughter also breaks out. If you are involved it in you might actually experience something that feels like being drunk. Some Christians have experienced that, and I have been with those and have been one of those. So I wouldn't blame anyone genuinely supposing that I might have be drunk on sweet wine, but that would have been the case. It was the Spirit of God coming as promised. Yet the sad part is that some mock and scoff, because it means they have not received that promise from God, otherwise they would understand instead of mock.

The Spirit in Paul was the Spirit to be experienced, not suffered. Paul and the others would ask people if they "experienced the Spirit?" Also Isaiah said that the government will be upon His shoulders and they are the prophets who are in control when prophesying. They could lay on hands to pour out the Spirit and the Power, confer, and some without needing to lay on hands.

K2K said:

Act 2:15 For these men are not drunk, as you suppose...

Peter didn't say they were mocking the men but rather that they were supposing them to be drunk.

If they were only mocking them, then they were not actually supposing them to be drunk, and Peter (the Bible) is wrong!! So either Peter (the Bible) is wrong or the conclusion that they were only mocking but not actually supposing so as to be genuine is wrong.

As for me, I think Peter (the Bible) must have be correct. That they were actually supposing those whom the Spirit moved upon were drunk. They were not correct in that assumption, but they were certainly genuine in their supposition. They of course were mocking them also (Acts 2:13), but that mocking was clearly based upon their supposition, according to the Bible (Peter)

Of course, this thread is on Holy Laughter, and it seems a bit unclear as to whether there was a lot of laughter when the Spirit fell like toughs of fire as recorded in Acts. Certainly there was amazement, but laughter? So my comments in the prior posts were not about Acts, but that laughter (Isaac) was promised.

So there probably was laughter when the Spirt fell, because the Spirit was the promise they were waiting for. Thus the conclusion that there was probably laughter also seems to me to be a correct conclusion based upon both laughter and the Spirit were promise and they were waiting for the promise, but in doesn't directly mention laughter, that I can see, in Acts. That might have been part of the reason that those mocking them were doing so because they were actually supposing them to be drunk, according to Peter.

So what happens today. The Spirit will fall in some church that is praising God and people start speaking in tongues, and things like Holy Laughter also breaks out. If you are involved it in you might actually experience something that feels like being drunk. Some Christians have experienced that, and I have been with those and have been one of those. So I wouldn't blame anyone genuinely supposing that I might have be drunk on sweet wine, but that would have been the case. It was the Spirit of God coming as promised. Yet the sad part is that some mock and scoff, because it means they have not received that promise from God, otherwise they would understand instead of mock.

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I did not say Peter said that.

Acts 2:13

American Standard Version
But others mocking said, They are filled with new wine.

Douay-Rheims Bible
But others mocking, said: These men are full of new wine.

Darby Bible Translation
But others mocking said, They are full of new wine.

English Revised Version
But others mocking said, They are filled with new wine.

Webster's Bible Translation
Others mocking, said, These men are full of new wine.

Weymouth New Testament
But others, scornfully jeering, said, "They are brim-full of sweet wine."

World English Bible
Others, mocking, said, "They are filled with new wine."

Young's Literal Translation
and others mocking said, -- 'They are full of sweet wine;'

GoldenKingGaze said:

The Spirit in Paul was the Spirit to be experienced, not suffered. Paul and the others would ask people if they "experienced the Spirit?" Also Isaiah said that the government will be upon His shoulders and they are the prophets who are in control when prophesying. They could lay on hands to pour out the Spirit and the Power, confer, and some without needing to lay on hands.

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The fact that Paul tells us that the prophets are in control tells us the Modus Operandi of the Holy Spirit. Thus those laughing would honestly have control if it is from the Holy Spirit.
If something is disorderly then it is not of God, but clearly of the flesh. It would be carousing without the beer.

carousing
/kəˈrouziNG/
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noun
the activity of drinking alcohol and enjoying oneself with others in a noisy, lively way.

1 Corinthians 14:40 [Full Chapter]
but all things should be done decently and in order.

Gal 5
Now the works of the flesh are obvious: fornication, impurity, licentiousness, 20 idolatry, sorcery, enmities, strife, jealousy, anger, quarrels, dissensions, factions, 21 envy,[e] drunkenness, carousing, and things like these.

Daniel Marsh said:

I did not say Peter said that.

Acts 2:13

American Standard Version
But others mocking said, They are filled with new wine.

Douay-Rheims Bible
But others mocking, said: These men are full of new wine.

Darby Bible Translation
But others mocking said, They are full of new wine.

English Revised Version
But others mocking said, They are filled with new wine.

Webster's Bible Translation
Others mocking, said, These men are full of new wine.

Weymouth New Testament
But others, scornfully jeering, said, "They are brim-full of sweet wine."

World English Bible
Others, mocking, said, "They are filled with new wine."

Young's Literal Translation
and others mocking said, -- 'They are full of sweet wine;'

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It is clear those who were mocking did not believe they were really drunk. If someone said in a mocking way that you are a god, do you think they really mean you are god?

Dictionary
mocking
mock·ing
/ˈmäkiNG/
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adjective
adjective: mocking
making fun of someone or something in a cruel way; derisive.
"the mocking hostility in his voice made her wince"
mock
/mäk/
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verb
gerund or present participle: mocking
tease or laugh at in a scornful or contemptuous manner.
"he mocks them as Washington insiders"
Similar:
ridicule
jeer at
sneer at
deride
treat with contempt
treat contemptuously
scorn
make fun of
poke fun at
laugh at
make jokes about
laugh to scorn
scoff at
pillory
be sarcastic about
tease
taunt
make a monkey of
rag
chaff
jibe at
chiack
kid
rib
josh
twit
wind up
take the mickey out of
goof on
rag on
razz
pull someone's chain
poke mullock at
sling off at
make sport of
...
make (something) seem laughably unreal or impossible.
"at Christmas, arguments and friction mock our pretense of peace"
mimic (someone or something) scornfully or contemptuously.
Similar:
parody
ape
guy
take off
caricature
satirize
lampoon
imitate
mimic
send up
spoof
Origin

late Middle English: from Old French mocquer ‘deride’.

The fact that one takes the statement about being drunk as an excuse for bad behavior in worship is a give away that what they are doing is of the flesh. Not of God.

Somewhere I already posted a quote on worship service in the early church from a church father.

Daniel Marsh said:

The fact that Paul tells us that the prophets are in control tells us the Modus Operandi of the Holy Spirit. Thus those laughing would honestly have control if it is from the Holy Spirit.
If something is disorderly then it is not of God, but clearly of the flesh. It would be carousing without the beer.

carousing
/kəˈrouziNG/
Learn to pronounce
noun
the activity of drinking alcohol and enjoying oneself with others in a noisy, lively way.

1 Corinthians 14:40 [Full Chapter]
but all things should be done decently and in order.

Gal 5
Now the works of the flesh are obvious: fornication, impurity, licentiousness, 20 idolatry, sorcery, enmities, strife, jealousy, anger, quarrels, dissensions, factions, 21 envy,[e] drunkenness, carousing, and things like these.

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The Spirit governs those who surrender, who have received Christ so the government is on His shoulders. He does not push us. It is as they surrender, and ask, then they receive the experience of the Holy Spirit laughter. Not all laugh. Some are yet to receive Christ. They can still agree to receive. And the Spirit works with the leader, the outpourer vessel. So he can say stop if he wants to.

K2K said:

If you are involved it in you might actually experience something that feels like being drunk.

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Yes.
I am more or less drunk each time, when filled with Holy Spirit. Sometimes i laugh, but not long - but im drunk almost each time for 30-40 minutes. Few times it was just minute or 3.

Eha said:

Yes.
I am more or less drunk each time, when filled with Holy Spirit. Sometimes i laugh, but not long - but im drunk almost each time for 30-40 minutes. Few times it was just minute or 3.

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When I am in silent prayer, my body releases Oxytocin, norepinephrine,
endogenous opioids, Oestrogen, dopamine, serotonin and vasopressin.
This combo makes me feel high too.

Daniel Marsh said:

I did not say Peter said that.

Acts 2:13

American Standard Version
But others mocking said, They are filled with new wine.

Douay-Rheims Bible
But others mocking, said: These men are full of new wine.

Darby Bible Translation
But others mocking said, They are full of new wine.

English Revised Version
But others mocking said, They are filled with new wine.

Webster's Bible Translation
Others mocking, said, These men are full of new wine.

Weymouth New Testament
But others, scornfully jeering, said, "They are brim-full of sweet wine."

World English Bible
Others, mocking, said, "They are filled with new wine."

Young's Literal Translation
and others mocking said, -- 'They are full of sweet wine;'

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You got the wrong verse!

It's Acts 2:15 not Acts 2:13:

Acts 2:15 For these men are not drunk, as you suppose, for it is only the third hour of the day.

Also, if you would have taken the time to really read what I wrote, I also referenced Acts 2:13 for the mocking!

K2K said:

hey of course were mocking them also (Acts 2:13), but that mocking was clearly based upon their supposition, according to the Bible (Peter)

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So you might want to take just a bit more time to consider what was written before commenting. But I understand. I have made that mistake before and not taken enough time to read all what someone wrote.

Eha said:

Yes.
I am more or less drunk each time, when filled with Holy Spirit. Sometimes i laugh, but not long - but im drunk almost each time for 30-40 minutes. Few times it was just minute or 3.

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Yeah - so often when the Lord really starts moving you feel it. He can come in different ways, but that feeling which is somewhat comparable to feeling drunk is common. Isn't that why there is something written in the bible about not being drunk but being filled with the Holy Spirit?

So the Bible is useful in confirming what is happening in your life when our Lord sends His Holy Spirit.

Now often I just walk and talke with Him in a conversation. Other times I get other things from Him; like that drunk feeling, or sometimes it feels more like drinking a cold glass of water on a hot day, other times He comes with joy or laughter, other times I have felt a breeze like a fan on me, and there are many ways He can make His presence felt, depending upon what He wants to do in your life. Sometime He will pull my hair to get my attention.

I knew a man who was a drunk before God pulled Him out of that, and the Lord regularly made Him drunk in the Spirit. When I was around that man the Spirit often came on me in a similar way. I believe the Lord worked that way at that time because of the mans past. I believe it made him feel comfortable in the presence of other Christians, but I am not sure. It just seemed to make sense to me.

God is going to do what He is going to do. One problem we often have is putting God in a box! We tend to say that God will do this but not that, but we say that by our own understanding. If we don't understand there is that walking and talking with the Lord and letting Him explain, so we don't have to lean on our understanding!

Still, Isaac (Laughter) was promised to Abraham, and we are spiritually speaking the offspring of Abraham if we too listen to the Lord and believe!

K2K said:

When I was around that man the Spirit often came on me in a similar way.

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That reminds me Acts and what i have experienced too, many times

K2K said:

You got the wrong verse!

It's Acts 2:15 not Acts 2:13:

Acts 2:15 For these men are not drunk, as you suppose, for it is only the third hour of the day.

Also, if you would have taken the time to really read what I wrote, I also referenced Acts 2:13 for the mocking!



So you might want to take just a bit more time to consider what was written before commenting. But I understand. I have made that mistake before and not taken enough time to read all what someone wrote.

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I used the correct verse, they were mocking. They did not believe the apostles were drunk. That is part of what mocking making fun of is.

Daniel Marsh said:

I used the correct verse, they were mocking. They did not believe the apostles were drunk. That is part of what mocking making fun of is.

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It's not the "mocking" that is the issue. It is that the Bible clearly states that they "supposed they were drunk" so they did believe the apostles were drunk. They didn't know, but that is what they thought, according to the Bible!

But if you want to think "they did not believe the apostles were drunk", it's ok by me but it is not what's written in the Bible. Just FYI -

I don't really see where that in itself is all that important. But what I do see as being important is that people to mock other people because they do suppose things that are not true. That happens today as well. I have, as I am sure others have as well, seen where some "Christians" mock and put down other "Christians" because of some of the way the Holy Spirit moves on people. In that case, as in the case in Acts, they are not actually mocking the people but the Lord!!! And that is important.

There is a lot said in the Bible about scoffers, and those that mock others. And I have personally seen cases today where some have mocked Christians for thinking they felt something we called being drunk in the Spirit. That is not against the people, that scoffing and mocking is against God, and that is a very great problem - which is the only reason I brought it up. And note: I am not saying Daniel Marsh is thinking that way. I am just making a comment. They did suppose the Apostles were drunk when the Spirit came upon them. Peter explained that, as recorded in the Scriptures. And so they mocked them!

We mock other people and make judgements about them for all sorts of reasons! This thread was not about being drunk in the Spirit or otherwise, but it was about "Holy Laughter" and I have also seen scoffers in that area. And there often seems to be a connection.

So bringing up the "mocking" was a good thing. Whether they did it because they actually supposed the Apostles were or not is not a big issue, but I just thought I would point that out to you. Often I find out that the things I do not think are a big deal in the Bible, the Lord comes back and shows me some important significance to them. He might to that now. Have you ever felt the Spirit come on you in such a way that you feel drunk? It is really pretty amazing, in that He really demonstrates His power at that time.

Daniel Marsh said:

I used the correct verse, they were mocking. They did not believe the apostles were drunk. That is part of what mocking making fun of is.

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You used the correct verse to show they were mocking but not the correct verse when it comes to showing they did not believe the apostles were drunk, how do you not see that?

Acts 2:13 But others were mocking and saying, "They are full of sweet wine."

That verse explains that they were mocking them. It actually also clear show they were mocking them by accusing them of being drunk - but if you doubt they really thought they were drunk but it was a fake statement used just because they were mocking them, that incorrect conclusion would be corrected by Peters statement

Acts 2:15 For these men are drunk, as you suppose...

Certainly Peter wasn't mocking or lying to make a point. Those men were mocking them because they supposed the Apostles were drunk!!!

Is they really that surprising? Wasn't Pentecost a festive time in Jerusalem. So it is not surprising the those not actually seeking the Lord for answers might have been mistaken in the supposition. So Peter got up and gave an explanation from God. Do you think they were willing to accept the reproof?

Jews are people like you and me. We are grafted into the Jewish root, but it doesn't mean that we won't act just like them. So are we willing to except reproof? So we see issues like "Holy Laughter", and also "being drunk in the Spirit" being mock because we Christians are not all seeking the Lord like we should and listening to His reproof. It is written that the Scriptures are good for reproof, but we can ignore what is in it and 'stick to our guns' so to speak.

So whether they actually thought they were drunk or not is not the issue but whether we are looking to get more understanding by seeking the Lord or are we just leaning on our on understanding. "Holy Laughter" is something God can give you and laughter "Isaac" was promised to Abraham. Yet some mock other Christians when they hear about it. And in Acts, when the Spirit fell, it caused the early disciples to appear to be drunk, but some mock that and so reproof was given to them by Peter. It doesn't mean that all those who heard the reproof accepted it. How many turned to the Lord and listened to Him? Probably most 'stuck to there guns'.