The ability of God - Does God always get His will done?

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God is absolutely omnipotent while man is impotent in the salvation of man.

The following posts of this thread are richly laden in the Word of God.

Revealing the links between John 17:20, John 15:16, and John 15:13-15 post

Paul wrote that God is the potter and we are the clay (Romans 9:18-29), but free-willians denounce the words of Paul post

Free-willians false claim that God is responsible sin in sinners (what some call cognitive dissonance) post in this thread

Neiher the IF/THEN logic conditional contruct nor a command conveys ability post along with the how the account of Cain and Abel relates with the IF/THEN logic post along with A BIBLICAL DECLARATION OF ABILITY AND INABILITY - CAPABILITY EXAMINED with COMMANDS EXPOSE GOOD AND EVIL - NOT CAPABILITY post

contrasting the old nature and the new nature post

debunking the Free-willian "sadistic cruel deity" and "spiritual rape" absurdities post

salvation and fruit, both are the acts of God alone post then expaonding into coalescing (1) fruit of the Spirit, (2) God's exclusive choosing of men, and (3) being a friend of Jesus

Our merciful and loving God is Benefactor, and we believers are beneficiaries post

Free-willians are outside of saving grace for they cannot please God (Romans 8:8) as well as they cannot understand spiritual things of God (1 Corinthians 2:14) unless God opens their eyes post

the unrighteous precepts of men includes "free will", a.k.a. "free choice", toward God post

the error of Armenians/Free-willians exposed post

The accurate grammatical structure of Revelation 13:8 analyzed post, and do not neglect the parallel in Revelation 17:8 and Matthew 25:34!

the meaning of "receive" post with application in Acts 2:38-39 and the subsequent we believers receive the Holy Spirit post

the "whoever believes" in John 3:16 is constrained by "believe" definition in John 6:29 and the "world" in John 17:9 has implications for "world" in John 3:16 post

"choose whom you will serve" in Joshua 24:15 does not indicate ability to serve God post

repentance is of/by/from God in man with accurate BIBLICAL CITATIONS post

"free will" does not occur in the New Testament except in Philemon 1:14 as an illusory metaphor post

"free will" and "self will" exist in a tightly-coupled relationship, see 2 Peter 2:9-10 and Philemon 1:14, post

proclaiming the gospel where there is no "free will"

The "you" occurrances in John 15:16 is the same as "you" occurrances in John 15:13-15 and John 15:16 and John 14:16-17 which are for all us believers in all time post. This is Love!

We believers on the Lord Jesus Christ receive the most valuable Treasure according to God's good pleasure!
 
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How can I do a work if I have no will of my own? You contradict your self constantly.
You are having a terribly difficult time understanding that Lord Jesus said "you did not choose Me, but I chose you" (John 15:16) then you turn around skipping all the times that I've written of the default nature of men is enimity against God (post in this thread) and that God must do a work in man unto salvation (post in this thread). This has been the consistent message that God has me here proclaiming.

When you write "How can I do a work if I have no will of my own" you are effectively writing "Why did you make me like this" just as Paul asserts about people denying the Power of God (Romans 9:20), and Peter wrote the Lord knows how to rescue the godly from temptation, and to keep the unrighteous under punishment for the day of judgment, and especially those who indulge the flesh in [its] corrupt desires and despise authority. Daring, self-willed, they do not tremble when they revile angelic majesties" (2 Peter 2:9-10).

As a result, Peter agrees that you are in rebellion in your claimed self will choice toward God - you against the Word of God Who says "you did not choose Me, but I chose you" (John 15:16).
 
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I already showed you from Jeremiah that this doesn't mean men don't choose to follow God or not.
You adeptly demonstrated your lack of linguistic and logistical aptitude with respect to Jeremiah 18:11-12 for this passage contains a command and a command does not convey ability (post in this thread).

Back to that which we were discussing to the post which you replied, you do a work which is your claimed choosing of your belief toward Jesus. Lord Jesus says that faith/belief is a work of God (John 6:29). Jesus says belief is a work; furthermore, choosing is a work. Fundamental linguistics is not your suite, renniks.

You ignore scripture and the Word of God, so I am not surprised that you ignore me who writes Truth (John 14:6). You appear to DETEST AND HATE that Lord Jesus said "you did not choose Me, but I chose you" (John 15:16) and "I chose you out of the world" (John 15:19) since you then turn around skipping all the times that I've written of the default nature of men is enimity against God (post in this thread) and that God must do a work in man unto salvation (post in this thread). This has been the consistent message that God has me here proclaiming.

You deny the Potter! God is the Potter, and we are the clay (Romans 9:20-23).
 
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You are wrong because it is not pointless to have commands for the Apostle Paul wrote of the revealing capacity of commands with his words "I would not have come to know sin except through the Law; for I would not
have known about coveting if the Law had not said, 'YOU SHALL NOT COVET.'" (Romans 7:7).

5 Those who live according to the flesh have their minds set on what the flesh desires; but those who live in accordance with the Spirit have their minds set on what the Spirit desires.

I suppose you are going to tell me that we can not choose to either live by the flesh or to live by the Spirit? We are responsible for setting our minds on what the Spirit desires. OF COURSE we have to depend on the Spirit to enable us, but depending on the Spirit is a CHOICE. God is not irresistibly forcing anyone to depend on him.
 
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he who practices the truth comes to the Light, so that his deeds may be manifested as having been wrought in God" (John 3:21).
Practicing the truth requires making a choice. We can just as easily choose to ignore the truth. In fact this shows the progression of how salvation works. We practice truth, come to the light ( Jesus) and he enables us to do good.
 
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I have declared and I declare again that God is Truth (John 14:6) and God is true (1 John 5:20).

Your accusation is baseless.

First, you added to scripture with "implies" for which there is severe consequences (Revelation 22:18-19).

Second, the "Oh turn back, each of you from his evil way, and reform your ways and your deeds" (Jeremiah 18:11) IS A COMMAND, yet a command does not linguistically nor spiritually conveny ability (see this post in this thread) unless expressly included.

Third, self willed people claim to choose Jesus at some level, yet the free will person who claims to do the opposite of the Word of God is not choosing the One True God for Lord Jesus says "you did not choose Me, but I chose you" (John 15:16).
God isn't evil, but that is how you portray him, by your twisting of scripture to fit pagan determinism into it.
" But they will reply, ‘It’s no use. We will continue with our own plans; we will all follow the stubbornness of our evil hearts."

God places the blame upon the people and their evil, you place the blame for the evil on God, by claiming they cannot do what he commands. You make God worse than Satan.
 
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You are wrong because it is not pointless to have commands for the Apostle Paul wrote of the revealing capacity of commands with his words "I would not have come to know sin except through the Law; for I would not
have known about coveting if the Law had not said, 'YOU SHALL NOT COVET.'" (Romans 7:7).
Of course it's not pointless because, we can obey the commands if we so choose! God enables us to obey them by relying on him!

12 Therefore, brothers and sisters, we have an obligation—but it is not to the flesh, to live according to it.13 For if you live according to the flesh, you will die; but if by the Spirit you put to death the misdeeds of the body, you will live.
 
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You adeptly demonstrated your lack of linguistic and logistical aptitude with respect to Jeremiah 18:11-12 for this passage contains a command and a command does not convey ability (post in this thread).

Back to that which we were discussing to the post which you replied, you do a work which is your claimed choosing of your belief toward Jesus. Lord Jesus says that faith/belief is a work of God (John 6:29). Jesus says belief is a work; furthermore, choosing is a work. Fundamental linguistics is not your suite, renniks.

You ignore scripture and the Word of God, so I am not surprised that you ignore me who writes Truth (John 14:6). You appear to DETEST AND HATE that Lord Jesus said "you did not choose Me, but I chose you" (John 15:16) and "I chose you out of the world" (John 15:19) since you then turn around skipping all the times that I've written of the default nature of men is enimity against God (post in this thread) and that God must do a work in man unto salvation (post in this thread). This has been the consistent message that God has me here proclaiming.

You deny the Potter! God is the Potter, and we are the clay (Romans 9:20-23).
The Apostle John had a disciple named Polycarp, and Polycarp had a disciple named Irenaeus.

”But although we shall be understood, from our argument, to be only so affirming man’s unshackled power over his will, that what happens to him should be laid to his own charge, and not to God’s, yet that you may not object, even now, that he ought not to have been so constituted, since his liberty and power of will might turn out to be injurious…Therefore it was proper that (he who is) the image and likeness of God should be formed with a free will and a mastery of him self;… At present, let God’s goodness alone occupy our attention, that which gave so large a gift to man, even the liberty of his will.” /Chapter 6
 
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5 Those who live according to the flesh have their minds set on what the flesh desires; but those who live in accordance with the Spirit have their minds set on what the Spirit desires.

I suppose you are going to tell me that we can not choose to either live by the flesh or to live by the Spirit? We are responsible for setting our minds on what the Spirit desires. OF COURSE we have to depend on the Spirit to enable us, but depending on the Spirit is a CHOICE. God is not irresistibly forcing anyone to depend on him.

The Apostle Paul wrote in Romans 8:5 that there are two states for people according to this passage, (1) those who are according to the flesh set their minds on the things of the flesh and (2) those who are according to the Spirit, the things of the Spirit. No choice therein mentioned, yet there is two states therein mentioned.

You are adding "choose" into Paul's words where "choose" does not exist; therefore, you are adding to scripture which carries a deadly penalty (Revelation 22:18-19), and you continue along the same vein with a later post by you:

Of course it's not pointless because, we can obey the commands if we so choose! God enables us to obey them by relying on him!

12 Therefore, brothers and sisters, we have an obligation—but it is not to the flesh, to live according to it.13 For if you live according to the flesh, you will die; but if by the Spirit you put to death the misdeeds of the body, you will live.

Once you wrote that "God enables us to obey them", you admit that God must do something for commands to be obeyed, and thus you contradict your words that man can choose to obey. The phrase "by the Spirit you put to death" is very specific in that the work is by the Spirit a.k.a. fruit of the Spirit. The word "choose" is not in the Romans 8:12-13 passage, so you add "choose" to scripture again. Your theology is confusion.

In Romans 8:5 and Romans 8:12-13, Paul wrote of Living by the Spirit which results in fruit of the Spirit for persons. Thus, God is working in us believers.

In Romans 8:5 and Romans 8:12-13, Paul wrote of living by the flesh which results in death including for the self willed.

BACK TO YOUR DECEITFUL ASSERTION ABOUT POINTLESS COMMANDS IN THE PRECEDING POSTS.

You are wrong about command being pointless because the Apostle Paul wrote that commands are valuable with his words "I would not have come to know sin except through the Law; for I would not have known about coveting if the Law had not said, 'YOU SHALL NOT COVET.'" (Romans 7:7).

Paul did not write "I read 'YOU SHALL NOT COVET', so I chose to stop coveting" in Romans 7:7 nor did he write "so I exercised my ability to stop coveting"; on the other hand, Paul did write that he would not have known sin except through the commands. A command does not convey ability (post in this thread) unless explicity stated.

Now, for a person to "not covet" righteously, such requires the act of God in the person because Lord Jesus says "apart from Me you can do nothing" (John 15:5), yet you, renniks, unrighteously try to make following commands your good work in your claimed choice thus you defy the Word of God.
 
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Practicing the truth requires making a choice. We can just as easily choose to ignore the truth. In fact this shows the progression of how salvation works. We practice truth, come to the light ( Jesus) and he enables us to do good.

Your linguistical errors abound, renniks. Firstly, the verb "choose" and it's conjugates are absent from the word of Christ Jesus recorded by the Apostle John (John 3:21, quoted below).

Inside the independent clause, Lord Jesus uses the word "practices" which means to act - an action - a deed - a work, and in the dependent clause of the complex sentence that Lord Jesus defines how "practices the truth" is to be interpreted for Jesus is God defining here "so that his deeds may be manifested as having been wrought in God".

As a result, you have added to scripture with your faulty assertion of "choice" which carries a deadly penalty (Revelation 22:18-19).

BACK TO YOUR DECEITFUL ASSERTION ABOUT FREE WILL AND JOHN 15:16, JOHN 3:21, JOHN 6:29, AND JOHN 3:5-8 IN THE PRECEDING POSTS.

There is no scripture to support free will!

These clearly state the exclusive Power of God in man's salvation for the Christ of us Christians says that (1) good works/fruit/choices are God and (2) belief/faith is the work of God:

"you did not choose Me, but I chose you" (John 15:16).

"he who practices the truth comes to the Light, so that his deeds may be manifested as having been wrought in God" (John 3:21).

"This is the work of God, that you believe in Him whom He has sent" (John 6:29).

"Truly, truly, I say to you, unless one is born of water and the Spirit he cannot enter into the kingdom of God. That which is born of the flesh is flesh, and that which is born of the Spirit is spirit. Do not be amazed that I said to you, 'You must be born again.' The wind blows where it wishes and you hear the sound of it, but do not know where it comes from and where it is going; so is everyone who is born of the Spirit" (John 3:5-8).

Clearly, Jesus' words in John 15:16 state God exclusively chooses us believers by/of/through God.

Clearly, Jesus' words in John 3:21 state fruit in we believers is by/of/through God.

Clearly, Jesus' words in John 6:29 state for us believers to believe in Jesus whom the Father has sent is by/of/through God.

Clearly, Jesus' words in John 3:5-8 state we believers being born again is by/of/through God.

Since God excludes man from choosing God, renniks, then your self will theology denies the exclusive domain of God's choosing man as established by the Word of God in John 15:16 John 3:21 John 6:29 and John 3:5-8 .
 
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God isn't evil, but that is how you portray him, by your twisting of scripture to fit pagan determinism into it.
" But they will reply, ‘It’s no use. We will continue with our own plans; we will all follow the stubbornness of our evil hearts."

God places the blame upon the people and their evil, you place the blame for the evil on God, by claiming they cannot do what he commands. You make God worse than Satan.

Your linguistical errors abound even more, renniks! I have written and continue to write that people are evil by the default nature of persons (post in this thread) which includes persons who add to scripture such as the free will to choose toward God.

The Lord Jesus is good to all who according to the Spirit of the Living God call on His Name! Praise be to Lord Jesus! Savior! Redeemer! True Vine! The Benefactor (post in this thread)!

You conjure up a false god by adding your concepts and words into as well as subtracting from scripture which carries a deadly penalty (Revelation 22:18-19). This means that you did not choose Lord Jesus because Lord Jesus says "you did not choose Me, but I chose you" (John 15:16) and "I chose you out of the world" (John 15:19).

BACK TO YOUR DECEITFUL ASSERTION ABOUT DECEIT IN THE PRECEDING POSTS.

I have declared and I declare again that God is Truth (John 14:6) and God is true (1 John 5:20).

The accusation you levied is baseless.

First, you added to scripture with "implies" for which there is severe consequences (Revelation 22:18-19).

Second, the "Oh turn back, each of you from his evil way, and reform your ways and your deeds" (Jeremiah 18:11) IS A COMMAND, yet a command does not linguistically nor spiritually conveny ability (see this post in this thread) unless expressly included.

Third, self willed people claim to choose Jesus at some level, yet the free will person who claims to do the opposite of the Word of God is not choosing the One True God for Lord Jesus says "you did not choose Me, but I chose you" (John 15:16).
 
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The Apostle John had a disciple named Polycarp, and Polycarp had a disciple named Irenaeus.

”But although we shall be understood, from our argument, to be only so affirming man’s unshackled power over his will, that what happens to him should be laid to his own charge, and not to God’s, yet that you may not object, even now, that he ought not to have been so constituted, since his liberty and power of will might turn out to be injurious…Therefore it was proper that (he who is) the image and likeness of God should be formed with a free will and a mastery of him self;… At present, let God’s goodness alone occupy our attention, that which gave so large a gift to man, even the liberty of his will.” /Chapter 6

Now you desparately seek the word of man instead of the Word of God. I'll stick with the Word of God.

Here are the words recorded by the Apostle John.

God knows the names of all the saints from all time because the names are recorded in "the book of life" "of the Lamb who has been slain" "written" "from the foundation of the world"; therefore, God chose us saints, so there is no guesswork by God, no surprise to God because someone unbeknownst to God "accepted" Jesus, no free will for man to choose toward God at any level unto salvation.

The Apostle John recorded that people "will wonder when they see the beast", and those same people being "whose name has not been written in the book of life from the foundation of the world" (Revelation 17:8).

The Apostle John also recorded "All who dwell on the earth will worship him, [everyone] whose name has not been written from the foundation of the world in the book of life of the Lamb who has been slain" (Revelation 13:8, see this post in this thread for a proper grammatical examination of this verse).

Even more, the Apostle John recorded "nothing unclean, and no one who practices abomination and lying, shall ever come into it, but only those whose names are written in the Lamb's book of life" (Revelation 21:27).

That is profound, renniks, because John wrote that "only those whose names are written in the Lamb's book of life", and "the book of life" "written" - written is past tense so done and complete - "from the foundation of the world".

It is NO ACCIDENT that Lord Jesus says "Then the King will say to those on His right, 'Come, you who are blessed of My Father, inherit the kingdom prepared for you from the foundation of the world'" (Matthew 25:34).

Behold, Lord Jesus KNOWS the names of all saints beforehand!

The Apostle Paul wrote "those whom He foreknew, He also predestined [to become] conformed to the image of His Son, so that He would be the firstborn among many brethren; and these whom He predestined, He also called; and these whom He called, He also justified; and these whom He justified, He also glorified" (Romans 8:29-30), so God knows the we people's whose names are in the Lamb's Book of Life written from the foundation of the world of whom God predestines to conform to the image of Lord Jesus thus we people God predestines whom God also calls, justifies, and glorifies! THIS MAKES GOD KNOWING WE PEOPLE IN THE LAMB'S BOOK OF LIFE A VERY INTIMATE RELATIONSHIP!

So, renniks, when you say that your choice toward God is entirely dependent on your "free will", then you deny that God is capable of knowing the names of the saints as written in the Lamb's book of life which is written from the foundation of the world, but you already deny the Word of God - Jesus - saying "you did not choose Me, but I chose you" (John 15:16) and "I chose you out of the world" (John 15:19). Since you claim you can do that with the Word of God clearly states that you cannot do, then you are not at peace with God.

BACK TO YOUR DECEITFUL ASSERTION ABOUT THE JEREMIAH 18:11-12 PASSAGE.

You adeptly demonstrated your lack of linguistic and logistical aptitude with respect to Jeremiah 18:11-12 for this passage contains a command and a command does not convey ability (post in this thread).

Back to that which we were discussing to the post which you replied, you do a work which is your claimed choosing of your belief toward Jesus. Lord Jesus says that faith/belief is a work of God (John 6:29). Jesus says belief is a work; furthermore, choosing is a work. Fundamental linguistics is not your suite, renniks.

You ignore scripture and the Word of God, so I am not surprised that you ignore me who writes Truth (John 14:6). You appear to DETEST AND HATE that Lord Jesus said "you did not choose Me, but I chose you" (John 15:16) and "I chose you out of the world" (John 15:19) since you then turn around skipping all the times that I've written of the default nature of men is enimity against God (post in this thread) and that God must do a work in man unto salvation (post in this thread). This has been the consistent message that God has me here proclaiming.

You deny the Potter! God is the Potter, and we are the clay (Romans 9:20-23).

THERE IS NO LEVEL THAT A PERSON CAN CHOOSE LORD JESUS BECAUSE HE SAID "YOU DID NOT CHOOSE ME, BUT I CHOSE YOU" (JOHN 15:16) - JESUS, BEING GOD, DID NOT PROVIDE ANY EXCEPTION FOR CHOOSING TOWARD JESUS. LORD JESUS SPEAKS TO ALL BELIEVERS IN ALL TIME BECAUSE HE ALSO SAID "I DO NOT ASK ON BEHALF OF THESE ALONE, BUT FOR THOSE ALSO WHO BELIEVE IN ME THROUGH THEIR WORD" (JOHN 17:20)! ALL THESE WORDS OF JESUS ARE AT THE SAME SUPPER! ALL GLORY IS GOD'S! WITH MAN, SALVATION IS IMPOSSIBLE (MATTHEW 19:25-26)! ALL GLORY IN THE SALVATION OF MAN IS GOD'S (JOHN 15:5, ISAIAH 42:8)!
 
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