The ability of God - Does God always get His will done?

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God is able to save men, but men are inept and incapable.

The following posts of this thread are richly laden in the Word of God.

Revealing the links between John 17:20, John 15:16, and John 15:13-15 post

Paul wrote that God is the potter and we are the clay (Romans 9:18-29), but free-willians denounce the words of Paul post

Free-willians false claim that God is responsible sin in sinners (what some call cognitive dissonance) post in this thread

Neiher the IF/THEN logic conditional contruct nor a command conveys ability post along with the how the account of Cain and Abel relates with the IF/THEN logic post along with A BIBLICAL DECLARATION OF ABILITY AND INABILITY - CAPABILITY EXAMINED with COMMANDS EXPOSE GOOD AND EVIL - NOT CAPABILITY post

contrasting the old nature and the new nature post

debunking the Free-willian "sadistic cruel deity" and "spiritual rape" absurdities post

salvation and fruit, both are the acts of God alone post then expaonding into coalescing (1) fruit of the Spirit, (2) God's exclusive choosing of men, and (3) being a friend of Jesus

Our merciful and loving God is Benefactor, and we believers are beneficiaries post

Free-willians are outside of saving grace for they cannot please God (Romans 8:8) as well as they cannot understand spiritual things of God (1 Corinthians 2:14) unless God opens their eyes post

the unrighteous precepts of men includes "free will", a.k.a. "free choice", toward God post

the error of Armenians/Free-willians exposed post

The accurate grammatical structure of Revelation 13:8 analyzed post, and do not neglect the parallel in Revelation 17:8 and Matthew 25:34!

the meaning of "receive" post with application in Acts 2:38-39 and the subsequent we believers receive the Holy Spirit post

the "whoever believes" in John 3:16 is constrained by "believe" definition in John 6:29 and the "world" in John 17:9 has implications for "world" in John 3:16 post

"choose whom you will serve" in Joshua 24:15 does not indicate ability to serve God post

repentance is of/by/from God in man with accurate BIBLICAL CITATIONS post

"free will" does not occur in the New Testament except in Philemon 1:14 as an illusory metaphor post

"free will" and "self will" exist in a tightly-coupled relationship, see 2 Peter 2:9-10 and Philemon 1:14, post

proclaiming the gospel where there is no "free will"

The "you" occurrances in John 15:16 is the same as "you" occurrances in John 15:13-15 and John 15:16 and John 14:16-17 which are for all us believers in all time post. This is Love!

We believers on the Lord Jesus Christ receive the most valuable Treasure according to God's good pleasure!
 
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"Choose you this day whom you will serve."
Serve is an action.
You subtract many words from the citation, so you expose your deceit. Here is the truth:

Joshua said "If it is disagreeable in your sight to serve the LORD, choose for yourselves today whom you will serve: whether the gods which your fathers served which were beyond the River, or the gods of the Amorites in whose land you are living; but as for me and my house, we will serve the LORD." (Joshua 24:15); THEREFORE, JOSHUA PRESENTS THAT PEOPLE CAN CHOOSE ONLY FALSE GODS - JOSHUA DOES NOT INCLUDE CHOOSING THE ONE TRY GOD. Your rebellion against the Word of God saying "you did not choose Me, but I chose you" (John 15:16) continues to manifest!
 
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You are the one adding pagan fatalism to scripture. No where does scripture deny Free Will. In fact, the whole Bible assumes it to be reality.
The Christ of us Christians says:

"you did not choose Me, but I chose you" (John 15:16).

"he who practices the truth comes to the Light, so that his deeds may be manifested as having been wrought in God" (John 3:21).

"This is the work of God, that you believe in Him whom He has sent" (John 6:29).

"Truly, truly, I say to you, unless one is born of water and the Spirit he cannot enter into the kingdom of God. That which is born of the flesh is flesh, and that which is born of the Spirit is spirit. Do not be amazed that I said to you, 'You must be born again.' The wind blows where it wishes and you hear the sound of it, but do not know where it comes from and where it is going; so is everyone who is born of the Spirit" (John 3:5-8).

Clearly, Jesus' words in John 15:16 state God exclusively chooses us believers by/of/through God.

Clearly, Jesus' words in John 3:21 state fruit in we believers is by/of/through God.

Clearly, Jesus' words in John 6:29 state for us believers to believe in Jesus whom the Father has sent is by/of/through God.

Clearly, Jesus' words in John 3:5-8 state we believers being born again is by/of/through God.

You insult God with your words, renniks, because your self will theology denies the exclusive domain of God's choosing man as established by the Word of God in John 15:16 John 3:21 John 6:29 and John 3:5-8 .
 
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Oh, how it appears you cherish your supposed self-will choice toward God (a work of man, a work of you, renniks
I can have no work, according to you. I have no self will according to you, there fore I am God's robot, in your system, and you are arguing with him.
 
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This, to any functioning logical adult, implies that the ones he is addressing are able to do what he asked. If not, you have the god of Muslims or of many fatalistic false religions, not Jehovah.
You do not understand linguistics nor logic, renniks, and here is why people to which you plea should not listen to your false doctrines.

First, you add to scripture with "implies" for which there is severe consequences (Revelation 22:18-19).

Second, the "Oh turn back, each of you from his evil way, and reform your ways and your deeds" (Jeremiah 18:11) is a command, yet a command does not linguistically nor spiritually conveny ability (see this post in this thread) unless expressly included.

Third, self willed people claim to choose Jesus at some level, yet the free will person who claims to do the opposite of the Word of God is not choosing the One True God for Lord Jesus says "you did not choose Me, but I chose you" (John 15:16).
 
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You subtract many words from the citation, so you expose your deceit. Here is the truth:

Joshua said "If it is disagreeable in your sight to serve the LORD, choose for yourselves today whom you will serve: whether the gods which your fathers served which were beyond the River, or the gods of the Amorites in whose land you are living; but as for me and my house, we will serve the LORD." (Joshua 24:15); THEREFORE, JOSHUA PRESENTS THAT PEOPLE CAN CHOOSE ONLY FALSE GODS - JOSHUA DOES NOT INCLUDE CHOOSING THE ONE TRY GOD. Your rebellion against the Word of God saying "you did not choose Me, but I chose you" (John 15:16) continues to manifest!
You are a poor mathematician. Joshua gives three choices there.
 
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That's not what the verse says. It's another verse implying that they could respond to God.
You must really detest the Word of God, because you snip out the Word of God so very vehemently. You snipped out 2 Peter 2:9-10 and claim that Peter's words are not applicaable, yet Peter wrote "the Lord knows how to rescue the godly from temptation, and to keep the unrighteous under punishment for the day of judgment, and especially those who indulge the flesh in [its] corrupt desires and despise authority. Daring, self-willed, they do not tremble when they revile angelic majesties" (2 Peter 2:9-10).

There you go with the word "implying" to make your assertion of "choosing toward God"; therefore, you are deceiving yourself (2 Timothy 3:13). You are adding to scripture and subtracting from scripture with you assertions about "choices toward God" (Revelation 22:18-19) such that your assertion that Jeremiah 18:11-12 contains choice is false as well as evidence of you adding choice" to scripture (whether you want to call the adding of concept/words "implication" or any other method of adding).

The self-willed only make wrong choices about salvation (2 Peter 2:9-10). God raises the dead to life thus we living in the Spirit bear fruit of the Spirit (John 15:5, John 15:16, Galatians 5:22-23) including acknowledging God for God's intrinsic quality of exclusively choosing men (Proverbs 3:5-6, John 15:16, John 15:19).

You see, you oppose God because Lord Jesus says "you did not choose Me, but I chose you" (John 15:16) and "I chose you out of the world" (John 15:19). Your claimed "choice toward God" is a man-made precept for which the Word of God says "IN VAIN DO THEY WORSHIP ME, TEACHING AS DOCTRINES THE PRECEPTS OF MEN" (Matthew 15:9).
 
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The Christ of us Christians says:

"you did not choose Me, but I chose you" (John 15:16).

":21).

"This is the work of God, that you believe in Him whom He has sent" (John 6:29).

"Truly, truly, I say to you, unless one is born of water and the Spirit he cannot enter into the kingdom of God. That which is born of the flesh is flesh, and that which is born of the Spirit is spirit. Do not be amazed that I said to you, 'You must be born again.' The wind blows where it wishes and you hear the sound of it, but do not know where it comes from and where it is going; so is everyone who is born of the Spirit" (John 3:5-8).

Clearly, Jesus' words in John 15:16 state God exclusively chooses us believers by/of/through God.

Clearly, Jesus' words in John 3:21 state fruit in we believers is by/of/through God.

Clearly, Jesus' words in John 6:29 state for us believers to believe in Jesus whom the Father has sent is by/of/through God.

Clearly, Jesus' words in John 3:5-8 state we believers being born again is by/of/through God.

You insult God with your words, renniks, because your self will theology denies the exclusive domain of God's choosing man as established by the Word of God in John 15:16 John 3:21 John 6:29 and John 3:5-8 .
None of these verses deny Free Will. Who taught you to read pagan determinism into scripture?
 
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Third, self willed people claim to choose Jesus at some level, yet the free will person who claims to do the opposite of the Word of God is not choosing the One True God for Lord Jesus says "you did not choose Me, but I chose you"
Self will can't exist without Free Will. You are devoid of logic.
 
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the Lord knows how to rescue the godly from temptation, and to keep the unrighteous under punishment for the day of judgment, and especially those who indulge the flesh in [its] corrupt desires and despise authority. Daring, self-willed, they do not tremble when they revile angelic majesties" (2 Peter 2:9-10).
Yes, this implies they could change and become godly, otherwise it's pointless.
It's telling what ungodly people due precisely because they do it, God doesn't cause them to.
 
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I can have no work, according to you. I have no self will according to you, there fore I am God's robot, in your system, and you are arguing with him.
Yes, you do a work which is your claimed choosing of your belief toward Jesus. Lord Jesus says that faith/belief is a work of God (John 6:29). Jesus says belief is a work; furthermore, choosing is a work. Fundamental linguistics is not your suite, renniks.

You ignore scripture and the Word of God, so I am not surprised that you ignore me who writes Truth (John 14:6). You appear to DETEST AND HATE that Lord Jesus said "you did not choose Me, but I chose you" (John 15:16) and "I chose you out of the world" (John 15:19) since you then turn around skipping all the times that I've written of the default nature of men is enimity against God (post in this thread) and that God must do a work in man unto salvation (post in this thread). This has been the consistent message that God has me here proclaiming.

You deny the Potter! God is the Potter, and we are the clay (Romans 9:20-23).
 
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You are a poor mathematician. Joshua gives three choices there.
You are a poor logistian and linguistician. Joshua states an conditional logic staement first (post in this thread), not a choice with respect to God, and here is that which Joshua stated "If it is disagreeable in your sight to serve the LORD, choose for yourselves today whom you will serve: whether the gods which your fathers served which were beyond the River, or the gods of the Amorites in whose land you are living; but as for me and my house, we will serve the LORD." (Joshua 24:15); THEREFORE, JOSHUA PRESENTS THAT PEOPLE CAN CHOOSE ONLY FALSE GODS - JOSHUA DOES NOT INCLUDE CHOOSING THE ONE TRY GOD. Your rebellion against the Word of God saying "you did not choose Me, but I chose you" (John 15:16) continues to manifest!
 
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None of these verses deny Free Will. Who taught you to read pagan determinism into scripture?
There is no scripture to support free will!

These clearly state the exclusive Power of God in man's salvation for the Christ of us Christians says that (1) good works/fruit/choices are God and (2) belief/faith is the work of God:

"you did not choose Me, but I chose you" (John 15:16).

"he who practices the truth comes to the Light, so that his deeds may be manifested as having been wrought in God" (John 3:21).

"This is the work of God, that you believe in Him whom He has sent" (John 6:29).

"Truly, truly, I say to you, unless one is born of water and the Spirit he cannot enter into the kingdom of God. That which is born of the flesh is flesh, and that which is born of the Spirit is spirit. Do not be amazed that I said to you, 'You must be born again.' The wind blows where it wishes and you hear the sound of it, but do not know where it comes from and where it is going; so is everyone who is born of the Spirit" (John 3:5-8).

Clearly, Jesus' words in John 15:16 state God exclusively chooses us believers by/of/through God.

Clearly, Jesus' words in John 3:21 state fruit in we believers is by/of/through God.

Clearly, Jesus' words in John 6:29 state for us believers to believe in Jesus whom the Father has sent is by/of/through God.

Clearly, Jesus' words in John 3:5-8 state we believers being born again is by/of/through God.

Since God excludes man from choosing God, renniks, then your self will theology denies the exclusive domain of God's choosing man as established by the Word of God in John 15:16 John 3:21 John 6:29 and John 3:5-8 .
 
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Self will can't exist without Free Will. You are devoid of logic.
Free will is only described in the New Testament as illusory by Paul in Philemon 1:14; otherwise, there is NO FREE WILL MENTIONED IN THE NEW TESTAMENT.

Self will is only described as condemnation by Peter in "the Lord knows how to rescue the godly from temptation, and to keep the unrighteous under punishment for the day of judgment, and especially those who indulge the flesh in [its] corrupt desires and despise authority. Daring, self-willed, they do not tremble when they revile angelic majesties" (2 Peter 2:9-10).

You expose your self will by claiming to choose Jesus which puts you in oppostion to Lord Jesus' words of "you did not choose Me, but I chose you" (John 15:16).
 
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Nonsensical nonsense. You make God a liar.
I have declared and I declare again that God is Truth (John 14:6) and God is true (1 John 5:20).

Your accusation is baseless.

First, you added to scripture with "implies" for which there is severe consequences (Revelation 22:18-19).

Second, the "Oh turn back, each of you from his evil way, and reform your ways and your deeds" (Jeremiah 18:11) IS A COMMAND, yet a command does not linguistically nor spiritually conveny ability (see this post in this thread) unless expressly included.

Third, self willed people claim to choose Jesus at some level, yet the free will person who claims to do the opposite of the Word of God is not choosing the One True God for Lord Jesus says "you did not choose Me, but I chose you" (John 15:16).
 
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Yes, this implies they could change and become godly, otherwise it's pointless.
It's telling what ungodly people due precisely because they do it, God doesn't cause them to.
You are wrong because it is not pointless to have commands for the Apostle Paul wrote of the revealing capacity of commands with his words "I would not have come to know sin except through the Law; for I would not
have known about coveting if the Law had not said, 'YOU SHALL NOT COVET.'" (Romans 7:7).

Paul did not write "I read 'YOU SHALL NOT COVET', so I chose to stop coveting" in Romans 7:7 nor did he write "so I exercised my ability to stop coveting"; on the other hand, Paul did write that he would not have known sin except through the commands. A command does not convey ability (post in this thread) unless explicity stated.

Now, for a person to "not covet" righteously, such requires the act of God in the person because Lord Jesus says "apart from Me you can do nothing" (John 15:5).

The Word of God "apart from Me you can do nothing" (John 15:5) means that the Spirit of God is us believers to do good works.

You wrote "It's telling what ungodly people" do (I am guessing that you meant do not due), and that concurs with the Apostle Paul in Romans 7:7. People rebel against God because it's people's default nature (post in this thread).
 
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