Should we be more strict with gluttony?

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If I can't resist having a chocolate bar each day, then I'm a slave to my desire to eat it.
I don't have to have a chocolate bar every day. I can easily substitute cookies, cake, or ice-cream, ... or pie, ... or donuts ...
 
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A lot of fat people in the US and a lot of risk-related diseases. I say this as someone who is not in good physical condition.


This sort of thing is fine for other countries who do not have guaranteed liberties in their Constitution and Laws, but in the US it conflicts with the core values set forth by the Founding Fathers. At best the worst you can do is impose some kind of product sin tax and use that to pay for some program. But for the most part, we like to have the free market impose the penalties via charging more for insurance etc.
 
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That's great! I wish I could say the same about clothes I had 6 months ago.

All humour aside, it is my observation that obesity is a real problem in Canada and the statistics suggest that it is even worse in the USA.
 
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This sort of thing is fine for other countries who do not have guaranteed liberties in their Constitution and Laws, but in the US it conflicts with the core values set forth by the Founding Fathers. At best the worst you can do is impose some kind of product sin tax and use that to pay for some program. But for the most part, we like to have the free market impose the penalties via charging more for insurance etc.
I'm not libertarian. I was not talking necessarily about policy though.
 
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We used to have to get out and plow, weed, and hoe to grow our food. I'm going to try and grow chocolate-chip cookies next year ...
True. BTW don't plant the gmo cookies. Theirs seeds will not regenerate and in order to plant them you may have to sign a contract forcing you into a chemical farming system..
 
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All humour aside, it is my observation that obesity is a real problem in Canada and the statistics suggest that it is even worse in the USA.
Guess where most of the processed food comes from.
 
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You're young ... no other adult has a BMI of 21 ...

I think the healthy range is like 18 to 25? So 21 isn't fat or thin really. I looked it up just now, mine is actually lower than 21. I'm really surprised bc I weigh more than 130 pounds now! But it says it's 19.8. But i've gotten taller so I'm not really fat. Yeah I am young. My mom isn't and she can wear a lot of my clothes. She's maybe like 10 pounds heavier. I'm friends IRL with Ella on here, I'm chubby in comparison to her. She's young too but her mom is also skinny and the same age probably as mine, I think. Her mom isn't as skinny as her but def. skinny.
 
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Yes, too much junk food (self-made) plus very few exercise and a lot of alcohol.

Are you back in the States yet? Bc I mean they are so insane about carding there that could help a little with the alcohol, lol. Especially if you live on campus.

You make junk food yourself? Like what?
 
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A lot of fat people in the US and a lot of risk-related diseases. I say this as someone who is not in good physical condition.

I'm hoping those who point out the sins of others are all quite skinny.

Philippians 3:19
Their end is destruction, their god is their belly, and they glory in their shame, with minds set on earthly things.

Proverbs 23:20-21
Be not among drunkards or among gluttonous eaters of meat, for the drunkard and the glutton will come to poverty, and slumber will clothe them with rags.

Proverbs 23:2
And put a knife to your throat if you are given to appetite.

Proverbs 23:21
For the drunkard and the glutton will come to poverty, and slumber will clothe them with rags.

Proverbs 25:16
If you have found honey, eat only enough for you, lest you have your fill of it and vomit it.

Psalm 78:18
They tested God in their heart by demanding the food they craved.

Deuteronomy 21:20
And they shall say to the elders of his city, ‘This our son is stubborn and rebellious; he will not obey our voice; he is a glutton and a drunkard.’

Philippians 3:18-19
For many, of whom I have often told you and now tell you even with tears, walk as enemies of the cross of Christ. Their end is destruction, their god is their belly, and they glory in their shame, with minds set on earthly things.

1 Corinthians 10:31
So, whether you eat or drink, or whatever you do, do all to the glory of God.

Romans 13:14
But put on the Lord Jesus Christ, and make no provision for the flesh, to gratify its desires.

Proverbs 23:20
Be not among drunkards or among gluttonous eaters of meat,

Matthew 11:19
The Son of Man came eating and drinking, and they say, ‘Look at him! A glutton and a drunkard, a friend of tax collectors and sinners!’ Yet wisdom is justified by her deeds.”

Proverbs 28:7
The one who keeps the law is a son with understanding, but a companion of gluttons shames his father.

Romans 12:1
I appeal to you therefore, brothers, by the mercies of God, to present your bodies as a living sacrifice, holy and acceptable to God, which is your spiritual worship.

Luke 7:34
The Son of Man has come eating and drinking, and you say, ‘Look at him! A glutton and a drunkard, a friend of tax collectors and sinners!’

Ecclesiastes 10:17
Happy are you, O land, when your king is the son of the nobility, and your princes feast at the proper time, for strength, and not for drunkenness!

Titus 1:12
One of the Cretans, a prophet of their own, said, “Cretans are always liars, evil beasts, lazy gluttons.”

Proverbs 23:1-3
When you sit down to eat with a ruler, observe carefully what is before you, and put a knife to your throat if you are given to appetite. Do not desire his delicacies, for they are deceptive food.

Deuteronomy 21:20-21
And they shall say to the elders of his city, ‘This our son is stubborn and rebellious; he will not obey our voice; he is a glutton and a drunkard.’ Then all the men of the city shall stone him to death with stones. So you shall purge the evil from your midst, and all Israel shall hear, and fear.

1 Corinthians 9:27
But I discipline my body and keep it under control, lest after preaching to others I myself should be disqualified.
 
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And the issue of obesity is itself a complex problem. Some of it is certainly is gluttony related but some of it is ignorance of nutrition and some of it is related to the sheer availability of prepared foods that are not nutritionally helpful.
 
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All humor aside, getting a grip on your bodily fitness is not that hard to do.

It can be somewhat of a mind-game. In my early adulthood, I realized that a more moderate amounts of food intake could be just as satisfying as more, and I felt better afterward. I also learned to understand that anything I chose not to eat today, I could always choose to eat tomorrow, ... or next week. I tried to utilize the knowledge I had ... to fashion a moderate approach to eating. So ... not too much bread and starches, and perhaps more vegetables and fiber.

I also learned the importance of getting in adequate exercise daily. It doesn't have to be hard. There are some excellent low-impact aerobic videos on YouTube by Leslie Sassone (15 mins - 45 min in length).

It's a matter of setting aside maybe 30 minutes a day to devote to attention to maintaining your bodily fitness. It sounds a lot harder than it is.

Fitness is a bit more challenging here ... because of the abeundance of ways to overindulge. Also because we have grown accustomed to three squares a day, while our daily exercise rate has decreased.
 
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A lot of fat people in the US and a lot of risk-related diseases. I say this as someone who is not in good physical condition.
Problem is, NOT all fat people are gluttons.

The quality of food, genetics/environment, medication or other illness etc can all factor in.

So assuming that all fat people should be punished because they love food is like assuming that all non believers want to sacrifice cats to the devil.

The reality is, you should be equally "strict" with all sins as sin is sin in the eyes of the Father.

Man is the one that provides severity of differering sins so that they can feel as if they are fit to look down on another.
 
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A lot of fat people in the US and a lot of risk-related diseases. I say this as someone who is not in good physical condition.
Gluttony is often a sign of underlying discontent. It's one reason I don't believe in evolution. What is the appeal of foods that are hazardous to health? If you believe evolution, we should be hungering after things that do us good.

A lot of foods are called "comfort food". It does not help that we are bombarded with messages that reinforce the lie. Being obese is not comfortable.

I knew a Christian man for 35 years, who has now gone home. The Lord delivered him from gluttony eventually. His attitude became "eat to live, not live to eat". We need to be content in Christ, and not in circumstances. I eat really well. I limit the not so healthy stuff and even eat (gasp) fruit and vegetables. I claim no credit for this. The Holy Spirit is my self control and my sister in Christ my conscience.

We always keep watch on our calorie intake, either before we eat or on the scales after we eat. My wardrobe also speaks volumes. I have no desire to spend a fortune replacing all my clothes.

Freedom starts with a desire to change. As we ask Lord Jesus to bring about the change, you can be sure that He will. Our part is to do what He shows us to do. Or, in my case, stop eating too much pizza and cheesecake.
 
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Are you back in the States yet? Bc I mean they are so insane about carding there that could help a little with the alcohol, lol. Especially if you live on campus.

You make junk food yourself? Like what?
Not me, but there are small restaurants that do it. Like McDonald's but way smaller and more homemade.
 
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I don't believe the problem should focus on over-eating or lack of exercise. The main problem is people have gone from a meat, potato, vegetable, dessert, diet of 60 years ago made from basic ingredients where obesity was rare, to a diet of processed foods comprised of mainly what was once known as the poor man's diet of starches and super sugars. Couple that with various diet sugar substitutes that the body does not know what to do with so it stores it rather than rejecting it creating a rise in diabetes 2, and you've got today's problem. Fake food creates a fake body.

The fact that kids who drink whole milk are slimmer than those who drink 1% (with sugar added no less) should tell us something. Processed foods are just a way for more people to get rich than limiting it to those who produce the basics. People have become unskilled and lazy. Foolish humans.
I'm not so sure. I read something about the Roman diet. It was awful. No dietician would recommend it today.
 
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