Spotlight on Heresy

DeepWater · Jan 3, 2020

Imagine a forum where those who are washed in the Blood of the Lamb, and who have God's Righteousness imputed to them, could celebrate together the Joy of Salvation, the Joy of the Lord, and find deep teaching for their spirit and rest for their soul.

Imagine a forum where Grace rules in the hearts of the born again, and all Threads that teach LEGALISM = Galatians 1:8 : false Gospels related to "self saving", "commandment keeping to stay saved".. "keeping the Torah to stay saved". "joining a certain church to stay saved" "repenting to stay saved", "confessing sin to stay saved"... all of this "FLESH", Galatians 3 these works of the flesh, that are preached as a hellish substitute and cursed of God denial of the Blood Atonement and the Cross, were eliminated permanently.

Imagine a forum where Moderators and Owners instantly recognize the work of heretics, and understand that JOB #1 is to protect real born again believers from being harmed by their devil designed Theology, and do not allow them to remain on the forum according to Paul's doctrine :

Titus 3:10 : """ A person that is a heretic after the first and second admonition, REJECT."""

Imagine a forum where everyone understands that God saved you only once, and keeps you saved Himself. Philippians 1:6

What a Forum of LIGHT that Forum would be.

But instead...........

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So, let me explain for you exactly where a Believer stops being a believer and starts being a heretic. We go to Paul, as he defined them. He says of them in Galatians 3.... "who has tricked you, bewitched you, fooled you, deceived you", so that you have stopped trusting in Christ alone FOR salvation, both to be saved and to STAY saved, and now you are returned BELIEVING THAT keeping the Law, obeying the commandments, and doing WORKS, = YOUR GOSPEL. = YOUR FAITH...... and That is "flesh". Its Carnal, Its a person who is "fallen from Grace", back into the "flesh", and is now hanging on their own cross of self righteousness.... according to Paul.

"Self Righteousness", = trying to make yourself RIGHT with God, by your WORKS ,EFFORT, DEEDS, LIFESTYLE. = "commandment keeping, law keeping, obedience keeping,, repenting, confessing, church membership, holy living"....

See, the problem isn't doing all that......all those works, but the Legalist, the Heretic, has exchanged them for the CROSS. And that is why they never talk, preach, or teach, about THE CROSS, or the Blood of Jesus.

NEVER !!

They instead talk about their "new" savior......Which is themselves, , and they have their list that they have exchanged for Jesus on the Cross. This list is always the same list, no matter the heretic. Paul said this list is "FLESH", and that is because where a LIST has replaced the Blood Atonement...then Jesus is no longer being counted worthy as the One who saves them and keeps them saved.

Here is how it works.... This is the NT math... = If you are born again, and are trying to keep yourself out of Hell, or trying to get yourself into Heaven, ... then you are not Trusting in Christ at all. You are trusting in YOU. and so, Your faith is DEAD.

This is why the proof of heresy, is always one thing.........always........ The heretic, who Paul describes as in the "flesh", fallen from Grace"< will never be able to truthfully say that they are Trusting in Christ alone, to keep them saved..... This is why "once saved always saved" is the Proof test that illuminates all heretics, beginning in Paul's day, till the 2nd Advent.

Listen Reader.. Someone saves you and keeps you saved. And its not you. So, when you are being taught that it IS YOU...then you are hearing what Paul defined as "another Gospel". Galatians 1:8

Heretics can't agree with OSAS, as it would not be true that they believe that Christ saved them and Keeps them saved.. They are trusting in themselves to get into heaven and stay out of Hell, and that is why they only talk talk talk talk about commandments, and works, and live to oppose Grace.

Grace teaches that there is ONE SAVIOR, and He is the Lord Jesus The Christ. And His Blood that has made you the "righteousness of Christ" and an "heir of God", and a "joint heir with Jesus", and "accepted in the Beloved", is why and ONLY WHY.... you go to heaven and not to hell.

Thats the Gospel. There is no Other. Jesus Himself is Salvation. Jesus Himself is Grace. We are sinners who God allows into Heaven, only because of JESUS.

Any other Gospel that you will hear, that does not give all Credit to Christ Alone for saving you and keeping you saved, is a false Gospel.

HTacianas · Jan 3, 2020

DeepWater said:
Imagine a forum where those who are washed in the Blood of the Lamb, and who have God's Righteousness imputed to them, could celebrate together the Joy of Salvation, the Joy of the Lord, and find deep teaching for their spirit and rest for their soul.

Imagine a forum where Grace rules in the hearts of the born again, and all Threads that teach LEGALISM = Galatians 1:8 : false Gospels related to "self saving", "commandment keeping to stay saved".. "keeping the Torah to stay saved". "joining a certain church to stay saved" "repenting to stay saved", "confessing sin to stay saved"... all of this "FLESH", Galatians 3 these works of the flesh, that are preached as a hellish substitute and cursed of God denial of the Blood Atonement and the Cross, were eliminated permanently.

Imagine a forum where Moderators and Owners instantly recognize the work of heretics, and understand that JOB #1 is to protect real born again believers from being harmed by their devil designed Theology, and do not allow them to remain on the forum according to Paul's doctrine :

Titus 3:10 : """ A person that is a heretic after the first and second admonition, REJECT."""

Imagine a forum where everyone understands that God saved you only once, and keeps you saved Himself. Philippians 1:6

What a Forum of LIGHT that Forum would be.

But instead...........

==========================================================

So, let me explain for you exactly where a Believer stops being a believer and starts being a heretic. We go to Paul, as he defined them. He says of them in Galatians 3.... "who has tricked you, bewitched, you, fooled you, deceived you", so that you have stopped trusting in Christ alone FOR salvation, both to be saved and to STAY saved, and now you are returned BELIEVING THAT keeping the Law, obeying the commandments, and doing WORKS, = YOUR GOSPEL. = YOUR FAITH...... and That is "flesh". Its Carnal, Its a person who is "fallen from Grace", back into the "flesh", and is now hanging on their own cross of self righteousness.... according to Paul.

"Self Righteousness", = trying to make yourself RIGHT with God, by your WORKS ,EFFORT, DEEDS, LIFESTYLE. = "commandment keeping, law keeping, obedience keeping,, repenting, confessing, church membership, holy living"....

See, the problem isn't doing all that......all those works, but the Legalist, the Heretic, has exchanged them for the CROSS. And that is why they never talk, preach, or teach, about THE CROSS, or the Blood of Jesus.

NEVER !!

They instead talk about their "new" savior......Which is themselves, , and they have their list that they have exchanged for Jesus on the Cross. This list is always the same list, no matter the heretic. Paul said this list is "FLESH", and that is because where a LIST has replaced the Blood Atonement...then Jesus is no longer being counted worthy as the One who saves them and keeps them saved.

Here is how it works.... This is the NT math... = If you are born again, and are trying to keep yourself out of Hell, or trying to get yourself into Heaven, ... then you are not Trusting in Christ at all. You are trusting in YOU. and so, Your faith is DEAD.

This is why the proof of heresy, is always one thing.........always........ The heretic, who Paul describes as in the "flesh", fallen from Grace"< will never be able to truthfully say that they are Trusting in Christ alone, to keep them saved..... This is why "once saved always saved" is the Proof test that illuminates all heretics, beginning in Paul's day, till the 2nd Advent.

Listen Reader.. Someone saves you and keeps you saved. And its not you. So, when you are being taught that it IS YOU...then you are hearing what Paul defined as "another Gospel". Galatians 1:8

Heretics can't agree with OSAS, as it would not be true that they believe that Christ saved them and Keeps them saved.. They are trusting in themselves to get into heaven and stay out of Hell, and that is why they only talk talk talk talk about commandments, and works, and live to oppose Grace.

Grace teaches that there is ONE SAVIOR, and He is the Lord Jesus The Christ. And His Blood that has made you the "righteousness of Christ" and an "heir of God", and a "joint heir with Jesus", and "accepted in the Beloved", is why and ONLY WHY.... you go to heaven and not to hell.

Thats the Gospel. There is no Other. Jesus Himself is Salvation. Jesus Himself is Grace. We are sinners who God allows into Heaven, only because of JESUS.

Any other Gospel that you will hear, that does not give all Credit to Christ Alone for saving you and keeping you saved, is a false Gospel.

Here we go again.

GOD Shines Forth! · Jan 3, 2020

HTacianas said:
Here we go again.

Well, there are others who return again and again to the other side of this theme. I’m firmly on this side, of "the free gift of God". I didn’t come to it lightly, and I will never leave it. I never tire of hearing about true grace based on the finished work of the Lord Jesus Christ.

HTacianas · Jan 3, 2020

GOD Shines Forth! said:
Well, there are others who return again and again to the other side of this theme. I’m firmly on this side, of "the free gift of God". I didn’t come to it lightly, and I will never leave it. I never tire of hearing about true grace based on the finished work of the Lord Jesus Christ.

The free gift of God is that He has forgiven our previous sins. But he requires that we stop committing them.

DeepWater · Jan 3, 2020

HTacianas said:
Here we go again.

I guess you turned the light on yourself, again.

Let me tell you something.
The NT says that in the end times, religious people won't endure "sound doctrine".
This means they will be self righteous, self serving, self centered, deeply deceived, and Politically Corrected.
But then, you'll also have real Born again people around, at the same time.
They will be known for giving full Credit DUE, to Christ Jesus, who alone saves and keeps you saved.
This is the EFfECT of the Cross.
This is why Paul said that the preaching of the cross is foolishness to some who want to instead preach the gospel of commandment keeping and works, and enduring to the end, and repenting while confessing while be confirmed while being saved 30 or 40 times.

So, i'll ask you a question so that we can discern you even more...
And not just you.

Here is the Question... Its an easy one for anyone who is born again.

Explain how the BLOOD ATONEMENT.....SAVED YOU AND KEEPS YOU SAVED..

HTacianas · Jan 3, 2020

DeepWater said:
I guess you turned the light on yourself, again.

Let me tell you something.
The NT says that in the end times, religious people won't endure "sound doctrine".
This means they will be self righteous, self serving, self centered, deeply deceived, and Politically Corrected.
But then, you'll also have real Born again people around, at the same time.
They will be known for giving full Credit DUE, to Christ Jesus, who alone saves and keeps you saved.
This is the EFfECT of the Cross.
This is why Paul said that the preaching of the cross is foolishness to some who want to instead preach the gospel of commandment keeping and works, and enduring to the end, and repenting while confessing while be confirmed while being saved 30 or 40 times.

So, i'll ask you a question so that we can discern you even more...
And not just you.

Here is the Question... Its an easy one for anyone who is born again.

Explain how the BLOOD ATONEMENT.....SAVED YOU AND KEEPS YOU SAVED..

The blood atonement justified us from our previous sins and allows us to remain in the grace of God, provided that we obey.

Rom 11:22 - Therefore consider the goodness and severity of God: on those who fell, severity; but toward you, goodness, if you continue in His goodness. Otherwise you also will be cut off.

DeepWater · Jan 3, 2020

GOD Shines Forth! said:
Well, there are others who return again and again to the other side of this theme. I’m firmly on this side, of "the free gift of God". I didn’t come to it lightly, and I will never leave it. I never tire of hearing about true grace based on the finished work of the Lord Jesus Christ.

You're right. Some of us didnt come to the Grace of God because I was born under a church pew and my parents lived in the choir loft.
Im not a "papa called and a mama chosen".
Some of us, before we were given the beautiful GIFT of The precious Grace of God as our eternal life, were not quite as perfect as some of the mean spirited carnal pretenders you find on forums like this one...

I have no idea why God called a nothing like me to be a Teacher Evangelist.
He called my older bro to be a paster late in his life, and he called my younger bro to be a missionary, and he's been one in the Ukraine for 20 yrs +
He's there right now with his family. They live there. They build churches, Pastor, work with street orphans, ...the whole deal. The real deal.
As all i could do as a talent in life, for the most part, was play music, be a helpful person, contain a bit of wisdom, and be willing to fight back.
Sure i am Seminary trained but, what i learned from God, that matters most, is to keep the CROSS RAISED, ABOVE ALL.

There is an epidemic of anti-Cross rebels in this world, who also live on forums and do nothing but chop down the Cross with every thread, every post, and try to replace it with SELF RIGHTEOUSNESS.

WE, you and I, and many others here who love Jesus, but are not so ready to stand up just yet perhaps...., understand that that BLOOD OF JESUS is the most Precious Thing.
And the Power of that precious Blood to REDEEM for all Eternity is something to SHOUT ABOUT, as well as DEFEND.

DeepWater · Jan 3, 2020

HTacianas said:
The blood atonement justified us from our previous sins and allows us to remain in the grace of God, provided that we obey.

Rom 11:22 - Therefore consider the goodness and severity of God: on those who fell, severity; but toward you, goodness, if you continue in His goodness. Otherwise you also will be cut off.

God does not accept you before the Cross or after the Cross, based on your behavior
He only accepts you, if you are born again, because He accepted Jesus's sacrifice to save you and keep you saved..
Your theology is legalism defined perfectly by Paul in Galatians 3.

Here is your theology....>"Sure, Christ saved me.......but NOW< i do it".
And you have your list.
They all do.

You actually deny Philippians 1:6
You have actually professed that Jesus on the Cross is Part 1 of your salvation, and you are Part 2.
Can i see the scars in your head, the scars in your wrist, and the hole in your side and feet?
What? you dont have them?
I wonder why.

You need to learn about the "gift of righteousness", and "justification by faith".

Stop taking credit for your salvation. As that is what you are doing when you say that you keep yourself saved, by your LIST.

HTacianas · Jan 3, 2020

DeepWater said:
God does not accept you before the Cross or after the Cross, based on your behavior
He only accepts you, if you are born again, because He accepted Jesus's sacrifice to save you and keep you saved..
Your theology is legalism defined perfectly by Paul in Galatians 3.

Here is your theology....>"Sure, Christ saved me.......but NOW< i do it".
And you have your list.
They all do.

You actually deny Philippians 1:6
You have actually professed that Jesus on the Cross is Part 1 of your salvation, and you are Part 2.
Can i see the scars in your head, the scars in your wrist, and the hole in your side and feet?
What? you dont have them?
I wonder why.

You need to learn about the "gift of righteousness", and "justification by faith".

Stop taking credit for your salvation. As that is what you are doing when you say that you keep yourself saved, by your LIST.

Galatians 3 warns the Galatian church against returning to the Jewish law for salvation.

The Church has never taught that any of the "works of the law" lead to salvation. No abstaining from handling lizards, no kosher diets, no epaphs of flour given to the priests.

pasifika · Jan 3, 2020

HTacianas said:
The free gift of God is that He has forgiven our previous sins. But he requires that we stop committing them.

Hello, if we fell into sin in the first place, then there is certain guarantee that we fall into it again...unless God continues to teach, grow, protect us until we are fully saved from the devil...like a loving Father protect His child from birth until he/she is able to live like Him

DeepWater · Jan 3, 2020

HTacianas said:
Galatians 3 warns the Galatian church against returning to the Jewish law for salvation.

The Church has never taught that any of the "works of the law" lead to salvation. No abstaining from handling lizards, no kosher diets, no epaphs of flour given to the priests.

Amazing.
you are quoting from a COMMENTARY and have no idea what Galatians 3 actually teaches.
Put the commentary down. It is ruining you, and others.
Listen, "Galatians" are the church members.... not the building, or the town.
Let me now give you the context of so much of what Paul is teaching to the Galatian >church members<.
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LISTEN READERS......

Here is what Paul says about heretics.... who are preaching "another" Gospel.
And trust me, he is speaking about PEOPLE, as its PEOPLE LIKE YOU, some of you.... WHO PREACH IT.

Galatians 1:7
7 : there are some (heretics) who trouble you and want to PERVERT the gospel of Christ.

You pervert the Gospel when you change it into "works to stay saved". "self effort to stay saved". includes everything you can list that you think you have to do to keep you out of hell.
Its THAT LIST, heretic.
If you preach THAT, you are subverting the Truth and are "anti-Cross".

Galatians 1:8
8 But even if we or an angel from heaven should preach to you a gospel contrary to the one we preached to you, let him be accursed.
And what does Paul preach? "justification by faith". No works, no commandment keeping to STAY SAVED.
Only Jesus Saves.

Galatians 1:9
9 As we have said before, so now I say again: If anyone is preaching to you a gospel contrary to the one you received,>let him be accursed.

This is not a joke reader.
Paul is not kidding.
Preaching "works for salvation", or preaching that you can lose your salvation, is contrary to the truth, and contrary to the EFFECT of the Cross and the Blood Atonement once it is applied and a person is BORN AGAIN.
So many here think its FUNNY to attack this truth.
You gang up together on these "let me show you the verses that say you can lose it", and the verses are distorted context, and the poster has no idea about any of them, and neither do you.
The heretic that wrote those commentaries that are your GOD, lied to you, and now you are become their liar.
And you think its SO funny to blast and condemn Grace as "license".
But i'll promise you that God sees you, knows you, and does not think its funny.

Does it feel so funny to you right now?
See how it feels tomorrow.

HTacianas · Jan 3, 2020

pasifika said:
Hello, if we fell into sin in the first place, then there is certain guarantee that we fall into it again...unless God continues to teach, grow, protect us until we are fully saved from the devil...like a loving Father protect His child from birth until he/she is able to live like Him

Well, keeping with our tradition here, you have to show some scripture or another to support your point. Note that I will accept a quote from the Church Fathers.

HTacianas · Jan 3, 2020

DeepWater said:
Amazing.
you are quoting from a COMMENTARY and have no idea what Galatians 3 actually teaches.
Put the commentary down. It is ruining you, and others.
Listen, "Galatians" are the church members.... not the building, or the town.
Let me now give you the context of so much of what Paul is teaching to the Galatian >church members<.
-------------------------------------------------

LISTEN READERS......

Here is what Paul says about heretics.... who are preaching "another" Gospel.
And trust me, he is speaking about PEOPLE, as its PEOPLE LIKE YOU, some of you.... WHO PREACH IT.

Galatians 1:7
7 : there are some (heretics) who trouble you and want to PERVERT the gospel of Christ.

You pervert the Gospel when you change it into "works to stay saved". "self effort to stay saved". includes everything you can list that you think you have to do to keep you out of hell.
Its THAT LIST, heretic.
If you preach THAT, you are subverting the Truth and are "anti-Cross".

Galatians 1:8
8 But even if we or an angel from heaven should preach to you a gospel contrary to the one we preached to you, let him be accursed.
And what does Paul preach? "justification by faith". No works, no commandment keeping to STAY SAVED.
Only Jesus Saves.

Galatians 1:9
9 As we have said before, so now I say again: If anyone is preaching to you a gospel contrary to the one you received,>let him be accursed.

This is not a joke reader.
Paul is not kidding.
Preaching "works for salvation", or preaching that you can lose your salvation, is contrary to the truth, and contrary to the EFFECT of the Cross and the Blood Atonement once it is applied and a person is BORN AGAIN.
So many here think its FUNNY to attack this truth.
You gang up together on these "let me show you the verses that say you can lose it", and the verses are distorted context, and the poster has no idea about any of them, and neither do you.
The heretic that wrote those commentaries that are your GOD, lied to you, and now you are become their liar.
And you think its SO funny to blast and condemn Grace as "license".
But i'll promise you that God sees you, knows you, and does not think its funny.

Does it feel so funny to you right now?
See how it feels tomorrow.

You are merely repeating your own opinion.

DeepWater · Jan 3, 2020

HTacianas said:
Rom 11:22 - if you continue in His goodness. Otherwise you also will be cut off.

What is His "goodness".
You think its your lifestyle., your self effort.
THat is not HIS that is YOURS.

God's goodness is "the gift of righteousness".
God's goodness is "justification by FAITH"., the GIFT of Salvation.
You are to continue in this GRACE.......all this is the GRACE OF GOD.
You are told to CONTINUE IN IT.
If you dont, if you "fall from grace", then you end up a heretic on a Christian forum going to a Local Church that is nothing but a pit of heretics.
God's GOODNESS is the GRACE OF GOD.. Its the Blood Atonement.
You continue in it, by not "falling from Grace" and putting yourself back under commandments to try to save yourself.

HTacianas · Jan 3, 2020

DeepWater said:
What is His "goodness".
You think its your lifestyle., your self effort.
THat is not HIS that is YOURS.

God's goodness is "the gift of righteousness".
God's goodness is "justification by FAITH"., the GIFT of Salvation.
You are to continue in this GRACE.......all this is the GRACE OF GOD.
You are told to CONTINUE IN IT.
If you dont, if you "fall from grace", then you end up a heretic on a Christian forum going to a Local Church that is nothing but a pit of heretics.
God's GOODNESS is the GRACE OF GOD.. Its the Blood Atonement.
You continue in it, by not "falling from Grace" and putting yourself back under commandments to try to save yourself.

Once again. Your own opinion.

DeepWater · Jan 3, 2020

HTacianas said:
Well, keeping with our tradition here, you have to show some scripture or another to support your point. Note that I will accept a quote from the Church Fathers.

I'll assume that you are one that my Thread is highlighting.
Why would i make that assumption, because after all ive written, the line has been drawn, and people who are not on the wrong side, would agree with me, and not need proof that Jesus keeps you saved.
So...
Ive posted scriptures. Try reading them.
I just posted 3 from Galatians, one from Philippians.
I dont spend much time with the Church Fathers, but i have spent a lot of time with Paul.

Now i have a question for you.

Can you explain HOW the Blood Atonement that saves you, keeps you saved?

DeepWater · Jan 3, 2020

HTacianas said:
Once again. Your own opinion.

Heretics have fallen from Grace.
Paul wrote that.
Heretics are cursed of God and he wishes this on them.
Paul wrote that.
Justification by Faith, The Gift of Righteousness, Salvation is a Gift.....etc.
Paul wrote that.
Not my opinion.
IF you read a bible, you'd know.

pasifika · Jan 3, 2020

HTacianas said:
Well, keeping with our tradition here, you have to show some scripture or another to support your point. Note that I will accept a quote from the Church Fathers.

Jude 1:24...To Him who is able to keep you from stumbling and to present you before His Glorious presence without fault and great joy...

HTacianas · Jan 3, 2020

DeepWater said:
Heretics have fallen from Grace.
Paul wrote that.
Heretics are cursed of God and he wishes this on them.
Paul wrote that.
Justification by Faith, The Gift of Righteousness, Salvation is a Gift.....etc.
Paul wrote that.
Not my opinion.
IF you read a bible, you'd know.

I've read the bible. Most every version. Believe me, you are wrong.

I don't say that to you directly, but to those reading what you've written. I don't want them led astray.

HTacianas · Jan 3, 2020

pasifika said:
Jude 1:24...To Him who is able to keep you from stumbling and to present you before His Glorious presence without fault and great joy...

What if a person decides to reject all of that and do their own thing?

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