Are Legalists really saved?

DeepWater · Jan 2, 2020

First we need to define what a legalist actually is, and what a legalist actually does.

So, turn to Paul, in Galatians 1 and Galatian 3 and note that he defines them as "cursed of God", because they are preaching their gospel, that is anti-cross, and anti-christ-grace. Their message, as Paul states, is "another gospel" that is not related to the Cross, the Blood Atonement, or Salvation or the "GIFT of Righteousness".

So, what do they preach, and how do you recognize them, so that you can rebuke then avoid them on a forum? And if you are in a leadership position in a local church, you can confront them, and if they will not comply with Paul, and with the NT, regarding the TRUTH of the "Grace of God" and what it actually is, then you are to get rid of them. You are to not allow them to TEACH on a "Christian forum" or in a Local Church, or anywhere near real born again Christians, because they will poison them theologically and spiritually.
It will interest you to discover that its only the religious people who practice legalism who we as Leaders are told to "get rid of them".. We are not told to pray for them, or to "love them in Christ".......NONE OF THAT. We are told to do this...

King James Version
A man that is an heretick after the first and second admonition reject;

Darby Bible Translation
An heretical man after a first and second admonition have done with,

World English Bible
Avoid a heretic after a first and second warning;

Young's Literal Translation
A heretic, after a first and second admonition, totally reject,

Now if you consider that there is a case in the NT, where a young man is caught having an incestuous relationship , and he is cast out of the Church.... but later, is allowed back in...
But HERETICS, Galatians 1:8 Heretics, are not allowed back in and they should not be found teaching and preaching on a Christian Forum that is NT truth based. So, if you consider those 2 situation, then you can see that when Paul said they are cursed of God, he is stating the reality.

So who are these people?
Well, thats very simple to discover. = Its EVERYONE who is trying to replace the Cross and the Blood Atonement with works, commandment keeping, enduring to the end, keeping the Torah, keeping the Law, or who talks to you about DOING ANYTHING other then "believing in Jesus"...= To keep yourself saved.

So, this heretic, has only one message. its "how to keep yourself saved". These are "self savers" who will misuse a long list of twisted scriptures and other bible related STUFF, you MUST DO.... according to THEIR GOSPEL...., to "keep yourself out of hell".. "to keep yourself SAVED".
That is what they teach, and that is how you SPOT THEM, all over forums, all over pulpits, and all over the world.
They REPLACE The Grace of God, with their self righteous LIST. And they always have it. ..
= "Commandments. Torah.... Enduring to the end"....Keeping this, doing that, works, works, works, to keep yourself out of hell, and to keep yourself SAVED.
In other words, they are replacing the Cross and Christ on it, with their CURSED gospel of "works, commandment keeping, keeping the Torah, enduring to the end... lifestyle, sin confessing, repenting, repenting, repenting".

The KEY to see them, to spot them.... is to notice that there is NO JESUS, NO GRACE, NO CROSS, NO BLOOD , NO BLOOD ATONEMENT, IN WHAT THEY TELL YOU TO DO, SO THAT YOU CAN = KEEP YOURSELF OUT OF HELL // Keep yourself saved.
Jesus and the Blood Atonement is MISSING From the Heretics "to do" list.
= "cursed of God"., according to Paul. Galatians 1:8
Notice This.. and you have SEEN- heard A HERETIC.
And this person, these people infest Christian forums. They are an infection like a spiritual cancer. They cause nothing but fights, chaos, and truly harm new believers or any believer who is weak in the faith and easily deceived by them
They are Deceivers.
They are anti-Cross.
They are doing the work of the devil.
They Pretend they are real believers.

Now, Paul is talking about the teachers. He is not speaking about soeone who is just confused about many things, and is just asking questions and has a point of view.
Paul is talking about these workers of the devil that TEACH legalism.
There are many here, on this forum. There are many Threads created by them, on THIS forum.
This is the work of the devil, and they are "cursed" for teaching "another gospel", according to Paul. Galatians 1:8

If you find one on a forum, then rebuke them, then ignore them.
If you find one in your Church, and you are a Leader, then you get them OUT, if they won't stop their legalistic deception.
Give them 2 opportunities to Stop, as directed by Paul.

HTacianas · Jan 2, 2020

DeepWater said:
First we need to define what a legalist actually is, and what a legalist actually does.

So, turn to Paul, in Galatians 3, and note that he defines them as "cursed of God", because they are preaching their gospel, that is anti-cross, and anti-christ-grace. Their message, as Paul states, is "another gospel" that is not related to the Cross, the Blood Atonement, or Salvation or the "GIFT of Righteousness".

So, what do they preach, and how do you recognize them, so that you can rebuke then avoid them on a forum? And if you are in a leadership position in a local church, you can confront them, and if they will not comply with Paul, and with the NT, regarding the TRUTH of the "Grace of God" and what it actually is, then you are to get rid of them. You are to not allow them to TEACH on a "Christian forum" or in a Local Church, or anywhere near real born again Christians, because they will poison them theologically and spiritually.
It will interest you to discover that its only the religious people who practice legalism who we as Leaders are told to "get rid of them".. We are not told to pray for them, or to "love them in Christ".......NONE OF THAT. We are told to do this...

King James Version
A man that is an heretick after the first and second admonition reject;

Darby Bible Translation
An heretical man after a first and second admonition have done with,

World English Bible
Avoid a heretic after a first and second warning;

Young's Literal Translation
A heretic, after a first and second admonition, totally reject,

Now if you consider that there is a case in the NT, where a young man is caught having an incestuous relationship , and he is cast out of the Church.... but later, is allowed back in...
But HERETICS, Galatians 1: 8 Heretics, are not allowed back in and they should not be found teaching and preaching on a Christian Forum that is NT truth based. So, if you consider those 2 situation, then you can see that when Paul said they are cursed of God, he is stating the reality.

So who are these people?
Well, thats very simple to discover. Its EVERYONE who is trying to replace the Cross and the Blood Atonement with works, commandment keeping, enduring to the end, keeping the Torah, keeping the Law, or who talks to you about DOING ANYTHING other then "believing in Jesus"...= To keep yourself saved.

So, this heretic, has only one message. its "how to keep yourself saved". These are "self savers" who will misuse a long list of twisted scriptures and other bible related STUFF, you MUST DO.... according to THEIR GOSPEL...., to "keep yourself out of hell".. "to keep yourself SAVED".
That is what they teach, and that is how you SPOT THEM, all over forums, all over pulpits, and all over the world.
They REPLACE The Grace of God, with their self righteous LIST. And they always have it. ..
= "commandments. Torah.... Enduring to the end"....Keeping this, doing that, works, works, works, to keep yourself out of hell, and to keep yourself SAVED.
In other words, they are replacing the Cross and Christ on it, with their CURSED gospel of "works, commandment keeping, keeping the Torah, enduring to the end... lifestyle, sin confessing, repenting, repenting, repenting".

The KEY to see them, to spot them.... is to notice that there is NO JESUS, NO GRACE, NO CROSS, NO BLOOD , NO BLOOD ATONEMENT, IN WHAT THEY TELL YOU TO DO, SO THAT YOU CAN = KEEP YOURSELF OUT OF HELL // Keep yourself saved.
Jesus and the Blood Atonement is MISSING From the Heretics "to do" list.
= "cursed of God"., according to Paul. Galatians 1:8
Notice This.. and you have SEEN- heard A HERETIC.
And this person, these people infest Christian forums. They are an infection like a spiritual cancer. They cause nothing but fights, chaos, and truly harm new believers or any believer who is weak in the faith and easily deceived by them
They are Deceivers.
They are anti-Cross.
They are doing the work of the devil.
They Pretend they are real believers.

If you find one on a forum, then rebuke them, then ignore them.
If you find one in your Church, and you are a Leader, then you get them OUT, if they won't stop their legalistic deception.
Give them 2 opportunities to Stop, as directed by Paul.

Rom 6:16 - Do you not know that to whom you present yourselves slaves to obey, you are that one’s slaves whom you obey, whether of sin leading to death, or of obedience leading to righteousness?

jahel · Jan 2, 2020

Curtesy of Chuck Swindoll

1 Timothy 1:5
Now the end of the commandment is charity out of a pure heart, and of a good conscience, and of faith unfeigned:
Hebrews 6”10
God is fair; he will not forget the work you did and the love you showed for him by helping his people. And he will remember that you are still helping them.

Legalism is shame-based council. Legalism assaults the will, intellect and emotions of the person being abused.

Job's friends~ the legalists:

Eliphaz twisted the truth, ignored facts, and verbally abused Job. What truth he presented was given pridefully, his theology lacked mercy and his accusations nullified compassion. The assumptions he made hindered new insight, while shame blocked the way of grace and his pride rendered mercy ineffective. He came from the place of experience "I have seen, I have heard"

Eliphaz inflicted emotional abuse on Job.

Bildad's words were based on traditions. "Inquire of past generations" he said. He gives the wisdom of the ages along with insulting implications drawn from numerous sources to attack Job's integrity. Bildad has no theology, just "no good ever came from Galilee" knowledge. At that point Job just wanted a mediator to whom he could be reasonable with.

Bildad inflicted mental abuse on Job

Zophar was the classic legalist, impatient anger based on false assumptions.

"Your guitly- Job 11:1-4

"Your ignorant- Job 11:5-7

"Your sinful- Job 11:13-20

He was hoping Job would be intimidated by the presence of anger. Zopher's theology was randomised with no connections. As far as he was concerned Job's sins needed to be exposed so Job can fall in line.

His commission was to have Job yield to suspicions rather than facts. Thereby Zopher could have falsely concluded Job's guilt.

Zopher abused Job's will in trying to make Job conform to preconcieved ideas.

Galatians 2:5
But we did not give in to those false believers for a minute. We wanted the truth of the Good News to continue for you.

RaymondG · Jan 2, 2020

DeepWater said:
You are to not allow them to TEACH on a "Christian forum" or in a Local Church, or anywhere near real born again Christians, because they will poison them theologically and spiritually.

The God I serve is more powerful than the words of men. We need not fear whether or not words can snatch children out of God's hands.....for whom the Father gives the Son, the Son will Not lose.
Actually, the very thought could be considered heretical. Therefore..........should we proceed to treat you as you say heretics should be treated? Who gets to decide what is heretical and what isnt?

The masters of the scriptures deemed Jesus heretical in the past.....Were they just in trying to remove Him? Do we Remove first and then consider if we removed the Christ after?

To remove darkness, we must shine our light.....and if our light shineths.....how can we see any darkness to be removed?

Deus Vult! · Jan 2, 2020

DeepWater said:
First we need to define what a legalist actually is, and what a legalist actually does.

So, turn to Paul, in Galatians 3, and note that he defines them as "cursed of God", because they are preaching their gospel, that is anti-cross, and anti-christ-grace. Their message, as Paul states, is "another gospel" that is not related to the Cross, the Blood Atonement, or Salvation or the "GIFT of Righteousness".

So, what do they preach, and how do you recognize them, so that you can rebuke then avoid them on a forum? And if you are in a leadership position in a local church, you can confront them, and if they will not comply with Paul, and with the NT, regarding the TRUTH of the "Grace of God" and what it actually is, then you are to get rid of them. You are to not allow them to TEACH on a "Christian forum" or in a Local Church, or anywhere near real born again Christians, because they will poison them theologically and spiritually.
It will interest you to discover that its only the religious people who practice legalism who we as Leaders are told to "get rid of them".. We are not told to pray for them, or to "love them in Christ".......NONE OF THAT. We are told to do this...

King James Version
A man that is an heretick after the first and second admonition reject;

Darby Bible Translation
An heretical man after a first and second admonition have done with,

World English Bible
Avoid a heretic after a first and second warning;

Young's Literal Translation
A heretic, after a first and second admonition, totally reject,

Now if you consider that there is a case in the NT, where a young man is caught having an incestuous relationship , and he is cast out of the Church.... but later, is allowed back in...
But HERETICS, Galatians 1:8 Heretics, are not allowed back in and they should not be found teaching and preaching on a Christian Forum that is NT truth based. So, if you consider those 2 situation, then you can see that when Paul said they are cursed of God, he is stating the reality.

So who are these people?
Well, thats very simple to discover. = Its EVERYONE who is trying to replace the Cross and the Blood Atonement with works, commandment keeping, enduring to the end, keeping the Torah, keeping the Law, or who talks to you about DOING ANYTHING other then "believing in Jesus"...= To keep yourself saved.

So, this heretic, has only one message. its "how to keep yourself saved". These are "self savers" who will misuse a long list of twisted scriptures and other bible related STUFF, you MUST DO.... according to THEIR GOSPEL...., to "keep yourself out of hell".. "to keep yourself SAVED".
That is what they teach, and that is how you SPOT THEM, all over forums, all over pulpits, and all over the world.
They REPLACE The Grace of God, with their self righteous LIST. And they always have it. ..
= "Commandments. Torah.... Enduring to the end"....Keeping this, doing that, works, works, works, to keep yourself out of hell, and to keep yourself SAVED.
In other words, they are replacing the Cross and Christ on it, with their CURSED gospel of "works, commandment keeping, keeping the Torah, enduring to the end... lifestyle, sin confessing, repenting, repenting, repenting".

The KEY to see them, to spot them.... is to notice that there is NO JESUS, NO GRACE, NO CROSS, NO BLOOD , NO BLOOD ATONEMENT, IN WHAT THEY TELL YOU TO DO, SO THAT YOU CAN = KEEP YOURSELF OUT OF HELL // Keep yourself saved.
Jesus and the Blood Atonement is MISSING From the Heretics "to do" list.
= "cursed of God"., according to Paul. Galatians 1:8
Notice This.. and you have SEEN- heard A HERETIC.
And this person, these people infest Christian forums. They are an infection like a spiritual cancer. They cause nothing but fights, chaos, and truly harm new believers or any believer who is weak in the faith and easily deceived by them
They are Deceivers.
They are anti-Cross.
They are doing the work of the devil.
They Pretend they are real believers.

Now, Paul is talking about the teachers. He is not speaking about soeone who is just confused about many things, and is just asking questions and has a point of view.
Paul is talking about these workers of the devil that TEACH legalism.
There are many here, on this forum. There are many Threads created by them, on THIS forum.
This is the work of the devil, and they are "cursed" for teaching "another gospel", according to Paul. Galatians 1:8

If you find one on a forum, then rebuke them, then ignore them.
If you find one in your Church, and you are a Leader, then you get them OUT, if they won't stop their legalistic deception.
Give them 2 opportunities to Stop, as directed by Paul.

You sound like you believe in "once saved always saved"?

DeepWater · Jan 2, 2020

Deus Vult! said:
You sound like you believe in "once saved always saved"?

You sound like you're the one Paul is describing.
I bet you can list everything you can think of that you are doing to keep yourself saved and out of Hell.
Christ won't be on your list., and that is because it can't be your list AND Christ.
You don't understand this because you can't.

Faith that God accepts to save you, is not related to your list.
Your list, is Galatians 1:8 , so be careful that you dont teach your list anywhere.

HTacianas · Jan 2, 2020

Deus Vult! said:
You sound like you believe in "once saved always saved"?

He's our friendly neighborhood antinomian. He stops by now and again to remind us that if we're not gay and haven't had a few abortions that we're going to hell.

DeepWater · Jan 2, 2020

HTacianas said:
Rom 6:16 - Do you not know that to whom you present yourselves slaves to obey, you are that one’s slaves whom you obey, whether of sin leading to death, or of obedience leading to righteousness?

Obedience to what, is why THE religious are not able to explain "justification by faith".

So, listen RELIGIOUS ONLY READERS........all you readers.... this is for you.

I can ask you to explain how the Blood atonement that saved you keeps you saved, and you and everyone here who is just like you, wont be able to even TRY to explain it.
Thats because "Faith is COUNTED AS RIGHTEOUSNESS", and the "Gift of Righteousness" is UNKNOWN TO YOU.

You can only talk about YOUR Gospel. = Galatians 1:8

You can't explain any of this, because you have no experience with The Grace of God.
If i show you a verse that teaches "faith WITHOUT works", you will not be able to understand it and you will try to deny it.
To deny that verse, is to deny the Cross.

If i show you this verse...Philippians 1:6. "God who HIMSELF began your salvation in you, will HIMSELF be Faithful to COMPLETE IT"..
And i ask you to explain it.... you won't be able to, because you don't believe it. And you don't believe it because you have no experience with GRACE.

What you believe, is your LIST that you have, of things you trust, that you are DOING< to try to keep yourself out of hell. to try to keep yourself saved.
= SELF SAVER
You are up on the cross. Jesus is kicked off by your self righteousness
And when you think like that, when you BELIEVE in your LIST, you are not believing in Jesus.
IT CAN'T BE BOTH.
Paul calls this type of person, if they were really ever born again, which is truly suspect,..."fallen from GRACE".

People who can't stand Grace, talk negatively about people who preach it.
People who can't stand Paul, talk about "license to sin", because that is exactly what was said TO Paul.
He preached Grace, and the religious LOST told him... "you are inviting people to sin", with that message.
Every read a NT, reader? Its in there. Go look. Find yourself.

So, the same religious lost, are doing the same to GRACE Today, as they were doing to it when Paul was preaching it.
They are castigating it. Denying it. and REPLACING IT.....with THEIR Gospels of "doing stuff to save self".
= "cursed of God". Galatians 1:8

Better stop READERS.
Better hear me.

So hear what God thru Paul is saying to you, regarding your heresy, and your deception and your cross rejection.......and STOP NOW.

STOP !!

Deus Vult! · Jan 2, 2020

DeepWater said:
You sound like you're the one Paul is describing.
I bet you can list everything you can think of that you are doing to keep yourself saved and out of Hell.
Christ won't be on your list., and that is because it can't be your list AND Christ.
You don't understand this because you can't.

Faith that God accepts to save you, is not related to your list.
Your list, is Galatians 1:8 , so be careful that you dont teach your list anywhere.

Sounds like you are engaging in a "legalism" all your own; only yours is completely void of Christ and His Church.
Sounds like you are following the traditions of men dating back a few hundred years; certainly not the Sacred Tradition of the Apostles.
Sounds like you think you can separate loving Jesus from following His commandments.

Deus Vult! · Jan 2, 2020

DeepWater said:
Obedience to what, is why THE religious are not able to explain "justification by faith".

So, listen RELIGIOUS ONLY READERS........all you readers.... this is for you.

I can ask you to explain how the Blood atonement that saved you keeps you saved, and you and everyone here who is just like you, wont be able to even TRY to explain it.
Thats because "Faith is COUNTED AS RIGHTEOUSNESS", and the "Gift of Righteousness" is UNKNOWN TO YOU.

You can only talk about YOUR Gospel. = Galatians 1:8

You can't explain any of this, because you have no experience with The Grace of God.
If i show you a verse that teaches "faith WITHOUT works", you will not be able to understand it and you will try to deny it.
To deny that verse, is to deny the Cross.

If i show you this verse...Philippians 1:6. "God who HIMSELF began your salvation in you, will HIMSELF be Faithful to COMPLETE IT"..
And i ask you to explain it.... you won't be able to, because you don't believe it. And you don't believe it because you have no experience with GRACE.

What you believe, is your LIST that you have, of things you trust, that you are DOING< to try to keep yourself out of hell. to try to keep yourself saved.
= SELF SAVER
You are up on the cross. Jesus is kicked off by your self righteousness
And when you think like that, when you BELIEVE in your LIST, you are not believing in Jesus.
IT CAN'T BE BOTH.
Paul calls this type of person, if they were really ever born again, which is truly suspect,..."fallen from GRACE".

People who can't stand Grace, talk negatively about people who preach it.
People who can't stand Paul, talk about "license to sin", because that is exactly what was said TO Paul.
He preached Grace, and the religious LOST told him... "you are inviting people to sin", with that message.
Every read a NT, reader? Its in there. Go look. Find yourself.

So, the same religious lost, are doing the same to GRACE Today, as they were doing to it when Paul was preaching it.
They are castigating it. Denying it. and REPLACING IT.....with THEIR Gospels of "doing stuff to save self".
= "cursed of God". Galatians 1:8

Better stop READERS.
Better hear me.

So hear what God thru Paul is saying to you, regarding your heresy, and your deception and your cross rejection.......and STOP NOW.

STOP !!

You have never read the epistle of St.James I see. You should give it a read... Do it soon before you play teacher.

DeepWater · Jan 2, 2020

HTacianas said:
He's our friendly neighborhood antinomian. He stops by now and again to remind us that if we're not gay and haven't had a few abortions that we're going to hell.

Are you explaining that you are both?

StephenDiscipleofYHWH · Jan 2, 2020

DeepWater said:
Obedience to what, is why THE religious are not able to explain "justification by faith".

So, listen RELIGIOUS ONLY READERS........all you readers.... this is for you.

I can ask you to explain how the Blood atonement that saved you keeps you saved, and you and everyone here who is just like you, wont be able to even TRY to explain it.
Thats because "Faith is COUNTED AS RIGHTEOUSNESS", and the "Gift of Righteousness" is UNKNOWN TO YOU.

You can only talk about YOUR Gospel. = Galatians 1:8

You can't explain any of this, because you have no experience with The Grace of God.
If i show you a verse that teaches "faith WITHOUT works", you will not be able to understand it and you will try to deny it.
To deny that verse, is to deny the Cross.

If i show you this verse...Philippians 1:6. "God who HIMSELF began your salvation in you, will HIMSELF be Faithful to COMPLETE IT"..
And i ask you to explain it.... you won't be able to, because you don't believe it. And you don't believe it because you have no experience with GRACE.

What you believe, is your LIST that you have, of things you trust, that you are DOING< to try to keep yourself out of hell. to try to keep yourself saved.
= SELF SAVER
You are up on the cross. Jesus is kicked off by your self righteousness
And when you think like that, when you BELIEVE in your LIST, you are not believing in Jesus.
IT CAN'T BE BOTH.
Paul calls this type of person, if they were really ever born again, which is truly suspect,..."fallen from GRACE".

People who can't stand Grace, talk negatively about people who preach it.
People who can't stand Paul, talk about "license to sin", because that is exactly what was said TO Paul.
He preached Grace, and the religious LOST told him... "you are inviting people to sin", with that message.
Every read a NT, reader? Its in there. Go look. Find yourself.

So, the same religious lost, are doing the same to GRACE Today, as they were doing to it when Paul was preaching it.
They are castigating it. Denying it. and REPLACING IT.....with THEIR Gospels of "doing stuff to save self".
= "cursed of God". Galatians 1:8

Better stop READERS.
Better hear me.

So hear is what God thru Paul is saying to you, regarding your heresy, and your deception and your cross rejection.......and STOP NOW.

STOP !!

Brother we are saved by Grace alone through faith, but after Salvation through believing in Christ and all that he has done we must do the work of God and keep his commandments as he delivered them to us otherwise we are not his faithful servants. We are justified(not saved but proven true to God) by both faith and works. Unless we keep the commandments of God we are choosing to forfeit the Salvation we have received from him by Grace. All who choose not to keep the Lord's commands are choosing a Path other than the narrow one set forth by Christ.

We are told time and time again that we are to keep the commands of God to show ourselves true servants of God, not simply those who say they love God but in works deny him.

God bless brother

HTacianas · Jan 2, 2020

DeepWater said:
Obedience to what, is why THE religious are not able to explain "justification by faith".

So, listen RELIGIOUS ONLY READERS........all you readers.... this is for you.

I can ask you to explain how the Blood atonement that saved you keeps you saved, and you and everyone here who is just like you, wont be able to even TRY to explain it.
Thats because "Faith is COUNTED AS RIGHTEOUSNESS", and the "Gift of Righteousness" is UNKNOWN TO YOU.

You can only talk about YOUR Gospel. = Galatians 1:8

You can't explain any of this, because you have no experience with The Grace of God.
If i show you a verse that teaches "faith WITHOUT works", you will not be able to understand it and you will try to deny it.
To deny that verse, is to deny the Cross.

If i show you this verse...Philippians 1:6. "God who HIMSELF began your salvation in you, will HIMSELF be Faithful to COMPLETE IT"..
And i ask you to explain it.... you won't be able to, because you don't believe it. And you don't believe it because you have no experience with GRACE.

What you believe, is your LIST that you have, of things you trust, that you are DOING< to try to keep yourself out of hell. to try to keep yourself saved.
= SELF SAVER
You are up on the cross. Jesus is kicked off by your self righteousness
And when you think like that, when you BELIEVE in your LIST, you are not believing in Jesus.
IT CAN'T BE BOTH.
Paul calls this type of person, if they were really ever born again, which is truly suspect,..."fallen from GRACE".

People who can't stand Grace, talk negatively about people who preach it.
People who can't stand Paul, talk about "license to sin", because that is exactly what was said TO Paul.
He preached Grace, and the religious LOST told him... "you are inviting people to sin", with that message.
Every read a NT, reader? Its in there. Go look. Find yourself.

So, the same religious lost, are doing the same to GRACE Today, as they were doing to it when Paul was preaching it.
They are castigating it. Denying it. and REPLACING IT.....with THEIR Gospels of "doing stuff to save self".
= "cursed of God". Galatians 1:8

Better stop READERS.
Better hear me.

So hear is what God thru Paul is saying to you, regarding your heresy, and your deception and your cross rejection.......and STOP NOW.

STOP !!

Grace by faith is the act of God bringing us into salvation by cleansing us of our previous sins:

DeepWater said:
Are you explaining that you are both?

I'm afraid you've got me. I'm not gay, and being a man, abortion is out of the question for me. I've never murdered a person and I've never worshipped an idol.

How doomed am I?

DeepWater · Jan 2, 2020

Deus Vult! said:
You have never read the epistle of St.James I see. You should give it a read... Do it soon before you play teacher.

Heretics. and mark this down.
Heretics, live in Matthew, Hebrews, and James.
Paul is unknown to them, except for 2, 3 verses they use to try to convince themselves and all others that they themselves have to stay on the cross, enduring it to the end, to stay out of hell.

Know anyone like this?
I think you DO.

And you are speaking about having "dead faith". as James mentions.
However, here is the explanation that you missed, because you had no good teacher to teach you, till now.
He says. "i'll show YOU my faith, by my works". Go read it in a NT. You might as well try it at least once.
He does not say.. "i'll show GOD, my faith, by my works".
This distinction is not known to you, because you play too much on Christian Forums, with what is not a toy.
James in that verse is talking to cold believers, and he is talking about bering fruit as the evidence that faith is thriving.........."i'll show YOU".......He says. His faith....= You'll see that its ACTIVE by MY DEEDS.
Need a link? Try this one. "you'll know them by their FRUIT", so, James will show other PEOPLE, his Christian FRUIT, by His WORKS, and this proves his faith is living and lively.
Now the heretic, who lives in commentaries and has a dusty bible, has been taught that James said, "if your faith is dead, then you are lost. But it does not say that.
Yet they believe this lie, then preach it like drunken parrots all over forums.
Imagine that..... yet, its no imagination...

Al Touthentop · Jan 2, 2020

DeepWater said:
First we need to define what a legalist actually is, and what a legalist actually does.

So, turn to Paul, in Galatians 3, and note that he defines them as "cursed of God", because they are preaching their gospel, that is anti-cross, and anti-christ-grace. Their message, as Paul states, is "another gospel" that is not related to the Cross, the Blood Atonement, or Salvation or the "GIFT of Righteousness".
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What you fail to recognize is that Paul is talking about people who are trying to go back to an obsolete law that was abolished on the cross.

This is why Jesus called modern Jewish adherants, "a synagogue of Satan" in Revelation.

Paul wasn't just talking about any law, he was speaking of the law of Moses just as he was in the letter to the Romans.

Anthony2019 · Jan 2, 2020

I think I'll let God continue determining who is saved and who is not.
As for me, I will continue obeying, to the best of my ability, Jesus' final commandment to "love one another as I have loved you".
I think St Isaac of Syria put it quite well:-
Let yourself be persecuted, but do not persecute others.
Be crucified, but do not crucify others.
Be slandered, but do not slander others.
Rejoice with those who rejoice, and weep with those who weep: such is the sign of purity.
Suffer with the sick.
Be afflicted with sinners.
Exult with those who repent.
Be the friend of all, but in your spirit remain alone.
Be a partaker of the sufferings of all, but keep your body distant from all.
Rebuke no one, revile no one, not even those who live very wickedly.
Spread your cloak over those who fall into sin, each and every one, and shield them.
And if you cannot take the fault on yourself and accept punishment in their place, do not destroy their character.

DeepWater · Jan 2, 2020

StephenDiscipleofYHWH said:
Brother we are saved by Grace alone through faith, but after Salvation through believing in Christ and all that he has done we must do the work of God and keep his commandments

God bless brother

You dont keep anything to STAY saved.
Did keeping any of that cause you to be born again?
NO.
Let me show you something...
Take Jesus off the Cross and keep him in heaven. He never died. Never shed his blood.
Now, do all that stuff and see if you are SAVED.

AGAIN !!!'
All that stuff you just listed from your LIST of "how i save myself". Do it .
Do it for 1000 yrs.
ARE YOU SAVED AT THE END OF 1000 YRS?
NOPE !

And why is that?
Because, you can't be saved or kept saved by what CAN'T SAVE YOU TO BEGIN WITH.

So stop trying TO KEEP YOURSELF SAVED, and instead get rid of all that, and ONLY TRUST CHRIST to save you and keep you saved.
THIS IS GRACE. This is FAITH = "ACCORDING TO HIS MERCY".... NOT ACCORDING TO YOUR LIFESTYLE OR SELF EFFORT.

Let me try it one more time for you, and for the readers who are going to pile up here.

When you are trusting in a LIST, (confessing sin, repenting, water baptism, lifestyle, commandment keeping, enduring to the end...etc ) as this person has listed that he trusts...then that LIST has become YOU Savior. FAITH IN LIST has replaced faith in Christ.
Understand?
Some of you will. And thats why im here. And some of you will be protected from heretics by this Thread i wrote, and that is why i wrote it.
its for you, as these Heretics, they are GONE......GONE....this is why Paul said to REJECT THEM.

Now listen up....
Christ does not share the CREDIT FOR Salvation HE paid for with HIS blood, with any LIST, of dos, and don't dos..... that you BELIEVE IN....
Remember that..
If you believe your list is required of you to STAY SAVED, as well as the Blood Atonement, then if you are saved at all, you are "fallen from grace", at best, and at worst, you are actually not born again, to begin with....which is why you have a LIST as your SAVIOR.

Why do you not understand "the GIFT of Righteousness"? why do you not comprehend "justification by FAITH" alone. ?
Why do you talk about everything else, as YOUR SAVIOUR = your LIST?

Here is how a cross rejector, a christ rejector sounds....

"well, sure, i know that Jesus saves......BUT.......BUT.......BUT........Here is my LIST LIST LIST< that im TRUSTING TRUSTING TRUSTING.
= That's a fail.
There is one Savior, one Redemption...and your LIST isn't it.

You are to 'present your body a living sacrifice, and be holy as God is Holy'...BECAUSE YOU ARE SAVED............NOT TO TRY TO SAVE YOURSELF BY DOING IT, oh YE HERETICS

UNDERSTAND?

IF YOU DONT, YOU ARE ITHER NOT BORN AGAIN, OR YOU ARE "FALLEN FROM GRACE".
WHICH IS IT?
YOU BETTER FIND OUT, AND GET IT RESOLVED.

Al Touthentop · Jan 2, 2020

DeepWater said:
You dont keep anything to STAY saved.
Did keeping any of that cause you to be born again?

You haven't read and understood your bible and you are screaming at people (virtually on line), telling them that you have authority on the matter of scripture. Those of us who have a bit of discernment recognize your fruit brother.

StephenDiscipleofYHWH · Jan 2, 2020

DeepWater said:
You dont keep anything to STAY saved.
Did keeping any of that cause you to be born again?
NO.
Let me show you something...
Take Jesus off the Cross and keep him in heaven. He never died. Never shed his blood.
Now, do all that stuff and see if you are SAVED.

AGAIN !!!'
All that stuff you just listed from your LIST of "how i save myself". Do it .
Do it for 1000 yrs.
ARE YOU SAVED AT THE END OF 1000 YRS?
NOPE !

And why is that?
Because, you can't be saved or kept saved by what CAN'T SAVE YOU TO BEGIN WITH.

So stop trying TO KEEP YOURSELF SAVED, and instead get rid of all that, and ONLY TRUST CHRIST to save you and keep you saved.
THIS IS GRACE. This is FAITH = "ACCORDING TO HIS MERCY".... NOT ACCORDING TO YOUR LIFESTYLE OR SELF EFFORT.

Let me try it one more time for you, and for the readers who are going to pile up here.

When you are trusting in a LIST, (confessing sin, repenting, water baptism, lifestyle, commandment keeping, enduring to the end...etc ) as this person has listed that he trusts...then that LIST has become YOU Savior. FAITH IN LIST has replaced faith in Christ.
Understand?
Some of you will. And thats why im here. And some of you will be protected from heretics by this Thread i wrote, and that is why i wrote it.
its for you, as these Heretics, they are GONE......GONE....this is why Paul said to REJECT THEM.

Now listen up....
Christ does not share the CREDIT FOR Salvation HE paid for with HIS blood, with any LIST, of dos, and don't dos..... that you BELIEVE IN....
Remember that..
If you believe your list is required of you to STAY SAVED, as well as the Blood Atonement, then if you are saved at all, you are "fallen from grace", at best, and at worst, you are actually not born again, to begin with....which is why you have a LIST as your SAVIOR.

Why do you not understand "the GIFT of Righteousness"? why do you not comprehend "justification by FAITH" alone. ?
Why do you talk about everything else, as YOUR SAVIOUR = your LIST?

Here is how a cross rejector, a christ rejector sounds....

"well, sure, i know that Jesus saves......BUT.......BUT.......BUT........Here is my LIST LIST LIST< that im TRUSTING TRUSTING TRUSTING.
= That's a fail.
There is one Savior, one Redemption...and your LIST isn't it.

You are to 'present your body a living sacrifice, and be holy as God is Holy'...BECAUSE YOU ARE SAVED............NOT TO TRY TO SAVE YOURSELF BY DOING IT, oh YE HERETICS

UNDERSTAND?

IF YOU DONT, YOU ARE ITHER NOT BORN AGAIN, OR YOU ARE "FALLEN FROM GRACE".
WHICH IS IT?
YOU BETTER FIND OUT, AND GET IT RESOLVED.

We are saved by Grace through faith, created in Christ to do his work(Ephesians 2:8-10). If we refuse to do the Lord's work then the truth is not in us(1 John 2:4) but if we keep the commandments of God then we are his true servants and the Love of God is perfected in us(1 John 2:3-6) only those who keep the commands of God out of their faith in Christ will enter into the Kingdom of Heaven(John 14:15,21,23-24; John 15:10-15,17; Matt 28:20; Revelation 12:17; Revelation 22:14).

The Lord has saved me by his grace. By my faith in him I do his work and keep his commandments, showing him that I love him not only in word but in deed also(1 John 3:18).

May the Lord guide you into all truth brother

Deus Vult! · Jan 2, 2020

DeepWater said:
Heretics. and mark this down.
Heretics, live in Matthew, Hebrews, and James.
Paul is unknown to them, except for 2, 3 verses they use to try to convince themselves and all others that they themselves have to stay on the cross, enduring it to the end, to stay out of hell.

Know anyone like this?
I think you DO.

And you are speaking about having "dead faith". as James mentions.
However, here is the explanation that you missed, because you had no good teacher to teach you, till now.
He says. "i'll show YOU my faith, by my works". Go read it in a NT. You might as well try it at least once.
He does not say.. "i'll show GOD, my faith, by my works".
This distinction is not known to you, because you play too much on Christian Forums, with what is not a toy.
James in that verse is talking to cold believers, and he is talking about bering fruit as the evidence that faith is thriving.........."i'll show YOU".......He says. His faith....= You'll see that its ACTIVE by MY DEEDS.
Need a link? Try this one. "you'll know them by their FRUIT", so, James will show other PEOPLE, his Christian FRUIT, by His WORKS, and this proves his faith is living and lively.
Now the heretic, who lives in commentaries and has a dusty bible, has been taught that James said, "if your faith is dead, then you are lost. But it does not say that.
Yet they believe this lie, then preach it like drunken parrots all over forums.
Imagine that..... yet, its no imagination...

You have utterly rejected the Sacred and Holy truth handed down from Christ and His Apostles. Having itching ears you have completely signed on to the traditions of men, not the Holy Tradition of God. The clearest texts you confuse and misunderstand because you turn not to the true Church. You lean on your own understanding and are doing so to your own destruction. You twist and contort the Sacred Text to mean that which it does not. Until now you have been taught - and are teaching - that same "other Gospel" that ironically you brought up in Galatians 1:8.
Don't bother responding back to this comment. I have no "itching ears" for your heresy.

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