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It is still an argument from silence. We simply do not know anything about these men other than what is said in Scripture, you can only assume and one assumption is as good as another. A better assumption would be to follow the pattern of others who came to Christ and that is that they left their military careers to follow Christ. The court does not care about the "context of the times" it only cares about the facts and the "facts" are that we simply do not know.
Scripture stated both men made contributions to the community. Both attained the rank of centurion. God loved them both. What the duties of a centurion were may be attained from studies outside the Bible. Those who ignore all things outside the Bible will miss opportunities. The written word is silent, yet important,
 
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Scripture stated both men made contributions to the community. Both attained the rank of centurion. God loved them both. What the duties of a centurion were may be attained from studies outside the Bible. Those who ignore all things outside the Bible will miss opportunities. The written word is silent, yet important,

In other words, you are guessing. I can also guess using historical evidence of some who were martyred rather than taking up the sword after converting to Christ. That evidence would be more valid than what you present. But, the FACT remains we don't know so it is only conjecture, i.e. guessing.
 
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You admit that you have "Made provision for the flesh" against the teaching of Christ and then pretend that "God is just fine with both"? This is Christianity of 2020!
Absolutely. What teaching of Christ? I also stop at stop signs and consistently drive on my own side of the road and see the doctor for annual checkups. All provisions for the flesh in direct conflict with the teachings of Christ. Silliness.
 
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Scripture stated both men made contributions to the community. Both attained the rank of centurion. God loved them both. What the duties of a centurion were may be attained from studies outside the Bible. Those who ignore all things outside the Bible will miss opportunities. The written word is silent, yet important,

The Forty Martyrs of Sebaste or the Holy Forty were a group of Roman soldiers in the Legio XII Fulminata whose martyrdom in 320 for the Christian faith is recounted in traditional martyrologies. Wikipedia

Whether or not the story is true shows that there are several accounts of such martyrdoms.
 
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If I wind up in North Korea and Kim Dog Dung sticks a gun in my face and demands that I deny Christ or die, I will have to make a decision. But until then if someone breaks into my house with the intent of doing me harm or great mischief, he'd better bring a grenade launcher with him because he will be needing it.
 
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While I don't object to anyone's right to have a gun, why are people allowed to enter the presence of God with weapons by their sides?
Other than so that they can defend themselves against a murderer?

If people are allowed to carry gun everywhere why not into a court room? or say a hospital? or a bank? All I'm saying is there is a time and place for everything.
It's always the time and place to oppose evil, and there's no good reason to ever prevent law-abiding people from carrying the tools of self-defense. Anti-gun laws favor criminals.
 
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You admit that you have "Made provision for the flesh" against the teaching of Christ and then pretend that "God is just fine with both"? This is Christianity of 2020!

I expect that you don't own a gun, but do you have fire extinguishers?

How about smoke and CO alarms?

How about locks on your doors? Shouldn't strangers use your home for shelter and reduce their poverty by stealing your stuff?

How about seat belts in your vehicles? Do you "disobey the rightful authorities" by not using them?

God is just fine with all of these. He didn't give us the best brains on earth for us to be stupid.
 
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The Forty Martyrs of Sebaste or the Holy Forty were a group of Roman soldiers in the Legio XII Fulminata whose martyrdom in 320 for the Christian faith is recounted in traditional martyrologies. Wikipedia

Whether or not the story is true shows that there are several accounts of such martyrdoms.
I'm not sure how this is related to having weapons available to protect oneself and others, and soldiers who were martyred?
 
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In other words, you are guessing. I can also guess using historical evidence of some who were martyred rather than taking up the sword after converting to Christ. That evidence would be more valid than what you present. But, the FACT remains we don't know so it is only conjecture, i.e. guessing.
Non-resistance is better.

People who have been rescued from violent confrontations usually do not complain about it. Once a man started swinging a knife at me and chasing me around a picnic table for no apparent reason. Some men nearby yelled at him to stop. He did. I thanked God and was thankful for the strangers who cared to intervene instead of did nothing.
 
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Moses was made to remove his sandles when approaching the burning bush because it's holy grounds. The embodiment of the Lord presence is there. So Moses must make an effort to acknowledge it. God was with Moses always but Moses did not undo his sandles all the time.

When we worship we make conscious effort to revere God. I don't play with my phone, open my laptop to work or go naked.

The first 2 things you use as examples would be things that would divert your attention away from why you're there. Being armed with a gun isn't a distraction any more than having your phone in your pocket during worship is, nor is either one of those things a sign of lack of reverence.

Is the act of worship something so lax? We don't make effort to be presentable before the Lord? And I'm not talking about in unfortunate times like war where soldiers have to have their guns near them all the time.

Have you seen how some people dress in some churches, such as Calvary Chapel? The idea is that how we dress isn't what God is interested in. He certainly isn't interested in a device concealed under that clothing. Otherwise, how are we to dress when we worship? Shall we all wear a suit and tie as men? Or is that what God is even concerned about? Besides all that, the subject we're talking about here is keeping actual evil from succeeding, which would be a mass shooting.
 
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The security volunteer also had law enforcement experience.
The assailant had a criminal record. No apparent racial motivation.

It was and is a formal or ceremonious human religious service, God or Spirit of God, and JESUS, and the Holy Spirit, they were not among the people and with the people, they were absent. The environment within the church was conducive for Satan to do his work, as indeed he did through the killers. God said: Ex.20:v.13 - Thou shalt not kill.

Look what JESUS said: John 8:v.43-45

43 Why do ye not understand my speech? even because ye cannot hear my word.

44 Ye are of your father the Devil, and the lusts of your FATHER ye will do. He was a MURDERER from the beginning, and abode not in the truth, because there is no truth in him. When he speaketh a lie, he speaketh of his own: for he is a liar, and the father of it.

45 And because I tell you the truth, ye believe me not.

Here goes the reward: Revelation 21:v.8 -
8 But the fearful(cowards), and unbelieving, and the abominable, and MURDERERS, and whoremongers, and sorcerers, and idolaters, and all liars, shall have their part in the lake which burneth with fire and brimstone: which is the second death.
 
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It was and is a formal or ceremonious human religious service, God or Spirit of God, and JESUS, and the Holy Spirit, they were not among the people and with the people, they were absent. The environment within the church was conducive for Satan to do his work, as indeed he did through the killers. God said: Ex.20:v.13 - Thou shalt not kill.

Look what JESUS said: John 8:v.43-45

43 Why do ye not understand my speech? even because ye cannot hear my word.

44 Ye are of your father the Devil, and the lusts of your FATHER ye will do. He was a MURDERER from the beginning, and abode not in the truth, because there is no truth in him. When he speaketh a lie, he speaketh of his own: for he is a liar, and the father of it.

45 And because I tell you the truth, ye believe me not.

Here goes the reward: Revelation 21:v.8 -
8 But the fearful(cowards), and unbelieving, and the abominable, and MURDERERS, and whoremongers, and sorcerers, and idolaters, and all liars, shall have their part in the lake which burneth with fire and brimstone: which is the second death.
You seem to blame the church for a mad man walking into the church and opening fire on them. This is wrong. Too many blamed victims for the crimes people did against them. Some will take measures to defend themselves, hide or move to safer neighborhoods.
 
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You seem to blame the church for a mad man walking into the church and opening fire on them. This is wrong. Too many blamed victims for the crimes people did against them. Some will take measures to defend themselves, hide or move to safer neighborhoods.

Murders within churches in the United States are routine because have long they did expell the Holy Spirit in their religious services, even exchanged God's protection for the protection the Devil offers through his killers. They are dead churches.

The axe is laid unto the root of the trees: therefore every tree which bringeth not forth good fruit is hewn down, and cast into the fire. Every good tree brings forth good fruit; but a corrupt tree brings forth evil fruit, a good tree cannot bring forth evil fruit, neither can a corrupt tree bring forth good fruit, so every tree that brings not forth good fruit is hewn down, and cast into the fire, wherefore by their fruits we will know them.

Not every one that sais unto the Lord: Lord, Lord, will enter into the kingdom of God; but he that does the will of God the Father which is in heaven.

JESUS was hungry and seeing a fig tree afar off having leaves, he came, if haply he might find any thing thereon: and when he came to it, he found nothing but leaves; for the time of figs was not yet, so
Jesus said unto it, No man EAT FRUIT OF THEE hereafter for ever. And his disciples heard it.

And they come to Jerusalem: and Jesus went into the temple, and began to cast out them that sold and bought in the temple, and overthrew the tables of the moneychangers, and the seats of them that sold doves; And would not suffer that any man should carry any vessel through the temple.
And he taught, saying unto them, Is it not written, My house shall be called of all nations the house of prayer? but ye have made it a den of thieves.

And the scribes and chief priests heard it, and sought how they might destroy him: for they feared him, because all the people was astonished at his doctrine, and when even was come, he went out of the city.

And in the morning, as they passed by, they saw the fig tree DRIED up from the roots.

1Peter 4:v.17-18
The time is come that Judgment must begin at the house of God: and if it first begin at us, what shall the end be of them that obey not the gospel of God? 18 And
if the righteous scarcely be saved, where shall the ungodly and the sinner appear?
 
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Murders within churches in the United States are routine because have long they did expell the Holy Spirit in their religious services, even exchanged God's protection for the protection the Devil offers through his killers. They are dead churches.

The axe is laid unto the root of the trees: therefore every tree which bringeth not forth good fruit is hewn down, and cast into the fire. Every good tree brings forth good fruit; but a corrupt tree brings forth evil fruit, a good tree cannot bring forth evil fruit, neither can a corrupt tree bring forth good fruit, so every tree that brings not forth good fruit is hewn down, and cast into the fire, wherefore by their fruits we will know them.

Not every one that sais unto the Lord: Lord, Lord, will enter into the kingdom of God; but he that does the will of God the Father which is in heaven.

JESUS was hungry and seeing a fig tree afar off having leaves, he came, if haply he might find any thing thereon: and when he came to it, he found nothing but leaves; for the time of figs was not yet, so
Jesus said unto it, No man EAT FRUIT OF THEE hereafter for ever. And his disciples heard it.

And they come to Jerusalem: and Jesus went into the temple, and began to cast out them that sold and bought in the temple, and overthrew the tables of the moneychangers, and the seats of them that sold doves; And would not suffer that any man should carry any vessel through the temple.
And he taught, saying unto them, Is it not written, My house shall be called of all nations the house of prayer? but ye have made it a den of thieves.

And the scribes and chief priests heard it, and sought how they might destroy him: for they feared him, because all the people was astonished at his doctrine, and when even was come, he went out of the city.

And in the morning, as they passed by, they saw the fig tree DRIED up from the roots.

1Peter 4:v.17-18
The time is come that Judgment must begin at the house of God: and if it first begin at us, what shall the end be of them that obey not the gospel of God? 18 And
if the righteous scarcely be saved, where shall the ungodly and the sinner appear?

:mmh:
 
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