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You win again.
Biblical proof for your belief that God is a merciless tyrant bent on revenge, because his wrath will never be satisfied. Kudos.
Steven, I truly hope you can find peace with God.

I'm afraid your heart is filled with rage.

I will pray for you brother, that the Lord will be long suffering with you until you find that peace.
 
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Steven, I truly hope you can find peace with God.

I'm afraid your heart is filled with rage.

I will pray for you brother, that the Lord will be long suffering with you until you find that peace.
Charlie, Charlie, Charlie...
I am very much at peace. I am MORE peaceful than I have ever been.
I apologize if my firmness with you comes off as anger. I'm not mad at you.

Every knee will bow and every tongue confess... (that's every knee and every tongue)
 
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Charlie, Charlie, Charlie...
I am very much at peace. I am MORE peaceful than I have ever been.
I apologize if my firmness with you comes off as anger. I'm not mad at you.

Every knee will bow and every tongue confess... (that's every knee and every tongue)
I know you are not angry at me. I have never felt that from you.

In fact, you are very self controlled and thoughtful of what you say to others.

I sense a different type of anger, addressed toward God.

He loves us very much, and wants the best for us. He loves you even in your anger.

Jer. 29:11
For I know the plans I have for you,” declares the LORD, “plans to prosper you and not to harm you, plans to give you hope and a future.
 
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I know you are not angry at me. I have never felt that from you.

In fact, you are very self controlled and thoughtful of what you say to others.

I sense a different type of anger, addressed toward God.

He loves us very much, and wants the best for us. He loves you even in your anger.

Jer. 29:11
For I know the plans I have for you,” declares the LORD, “plans to prosper you and not to harm you, plans to give you hope and a future.
I have a wonderfully blessed life, and I hope you do as well.

My displeasure is aimed at those who have corrupted our biblical texts with their Damnationist bias. My frankness with you is to help you see their error.

I am well aware that God loves both of us very much. We share the same God and savior. We disagree on the final judgment and the character of the God of judgment.

And I appreciate your concern for my well-being. I think you genuinely believe that I am in peril, and you are showing Christian brotherly love by trying to help. I give you credit for that.
 
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I have a wonderfully blessed life, and I hope you do as well.

My displeasure is aimed at those who have corrupted our biblical texts with their Damnationist bias. My frankness with you is to help you see their error.

I am well aware that God loves both of us very much. We share the same God and savior. We disagree on the final judgment and the character of the God of judgment.

And I appreciate your concern for my well-being. I think you genuinely believe that I am in peril, and you are showing Christian brotherly love by trying to help. I give you credit for that.
What's up with FL, haven't heard from him in while?

I hope he's not ill or anything like that!
 
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As someone has said, "Here is a man that is dead, lying in a casket in the ground. What will you do to raise him? Will you bring your flute and play a sweet melody to woo him out of the grave? Perhaps a great thunderstorm could come and the lightning could strike around him and the thunder could shake the earth and boom and crash with its mighty voice. But neither the sweet music of the flute nor the mighty thundering above would have any effect whatsoever on the dead in their graves. They hear not; neither do they know. Nor, can the thundering of the Law or the sweet music of the Gospel have any effect on the mind and soul that is dead in sin. It needs one thing. It needs to be made alive! By a POWER BEYOND ITSELF! 'You has He made alive that were dead.' " Therefore, until God first of all comes with His grace and MAKES MEN ALIVE, there is nothing that man can do. Only GOD can raise the dead! True, God requires repentance and faith that we might be saved. But, praise His name, that which He requires, He also freely gives, that the whole thing may be of grace. Yet Christendom insists on a doctrine of man being a "free moral agent," even though the Word of God exposes this as being utterly false in every degree. Most emphatically do I declare: We are NOT free moral agents! "The creature was made subject to vanity, NOT WILLINGLY, but by reason of HIM WHO HAS SUBJECTED the same in hope" (Rom. 8:20).

Source: The Savior of the World, by J. Preston Eby
Kindgdom Bible Studies Savior of the World Series Part 1
 
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I see there are some who seek to interpret things differently. But it does say God now commands people everywhere to repent, and with that and from other places in Scriptures people are told to choose. This is the only way they have responsibility, even if it is God enabling people to choose. They cannot be accountable otherwise, for just judgment, and not all repent though God commands it, so it is their own repentance they should come to, and only those who do are coming to Christ. Though repentance and faith are needed from us these do not do anything, they are not works then which are spoken of in the Bible.
 
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I see there are some who seek to interpret things differently. But it does say God now commands people everywhere to repent, and with that and from other places in Scriptures people are told to choose. This is the only way they have responsibility, even if it is God enabling people to choose. They cannot be accountable otherwise, for just judgment, and not all repent though God commands it, so it is their own repentance they should come to, and only those who do are coming to Christ. Though repentance and faith are needed from us these do not do anything, they are not works then which are spoken of in the Bible.
Countless billions have gone into the afterlife having never even heard the name of Jesus. Will they be tormented for all of eternity with no hope of escape?
 
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Countless billions have gone into the afterlife having never even heard the name of Jesus. Will they be tormented for all of eternity with no hope of escape?
Got Scripture for such an outrageous claim ?
 
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As someone has said, "Here is a man that is dead, lying in a casket in the ground. What will you do to raise him? Will you bring your flute and play a sweet melody to woo him out of the grave? Perhaps a great thunderstorm could come and the lightning could strike around him and the thunder could shake the earth and boom and crash with its mighty voice. But neither the sweet music of the flute nor the mighty thundering above would have any effect whatsoever on the dead in their graves. They hear not; neither do they know. Nor, can the thundering of the Law or the sweet music of the Gospel have any effect on the mind and soul that is dead in sin. It needs one thing. It needs to be made alive! By a POWER BEYOND ITSELF! 'You has He made alive that were dead.' " Therefore, until God first of all comes with His grace and MAKES MEN ALIVE, there is nothing that man can do. Only GOD can raise the dead! True, God requires repentance and faith that we might be saved. But, praise His name, that which He requires, He also freely gives, that the whole thing may be of grace. Yet Christendom insists on a doctrine of man being a "free moral agent," even though the Word of God exposes this as being utterly false in every degree. Most emphatically do I declare: We are NOT free moral agents! "The creature was made subject to vanity, NOT WILLINGLY, but by reason of HIM WHO HAS SUBJECTED the same in hope" (Rom. 8:20).

Source: The Savior of the World, by J. Preston Eby
Kindgdom Bible Studies Savior of the World Series Part 1
eby is a whack job I just read some of his false heretical teachings. he said :

" For almost two thousand years there has raged a theological battle over the Godhead. Some have contended that God is one Person in three manifestations and that Jesus is that one Person of God manifested in the flesh. Others believe in the trinity -- that God is eternally three distinct Persons, co-equal, co-eternal and con-substantial, united together as one God. The truth lies far beyond the limitation of either concept. Neither view has grasped the fuller truth set forth in the scriptures and now revealed by the Holy Spirit. The wonderful truth is -- God is not one Person, neither is God three Persons. God is a FAMILY! God is a KINGDOM! God is reproducing, expanding, increasing HIMSELF! "

A true heretic !
 
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eby is a whack job I just read some of his false heretical teachings. he said :
" For almost two thousand years there has raged a theological battle over the Godhead. Some have contended that God is one Person in three manifestations and that Jesus is that one Person of God manifested in the flesh. Others believe in the trinity -- that God is eternally three distinct Persons, co-equal, co-eternal and con-substantial, united together as one God. The truth lies far beyond the limitation of either concept. Neither view has grasped the fuller truth set forth in the scriptures and now revealed by the Holy Spirit. The wonderful truth is -- God is not one Person, neither is God three Persons. God is a FAMILY! God is a KINGDOM! God is reproducing, expanding, increasing HIMSELF! "
A true heretic !
I agree but the UR-ites quote pages upon pages of his "writing" as if Moses himself carried it down from Mount Sinai simply because he also supports UR.
 
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Saint Steven said:
Countless billions have gone into the afterlife having never even heard the name of Jesus. Will they be tormented for all of eternity with no hope of escape?
Psalms 19:1-4
1 To the chief Musician, A Psalm of David. The heavens declare the glory of God; and the firmament sheweth his handywork.
2 Day unto day uttereth speech, and night unto night sheweth knowledge.
3 There is no speech nor language, where their voice is not heard.
4 Their line is gone out through all the earth, and their words to the end of the world. In them hath he set a tabernacle for the sun,
Romans 1:18-24
18 For the wrath of God is revealed from heaven against all ungodliness and unrighteousness of men, who hold the truth in unrighteousness;
19 Because that which may be known of God is manifest in them; for God hath shewed it unto them.
20 For the invisible things of him from the creation of the world are clearly seen, being understood by the things that are made, even his eternal power and Godhead; so that they are without excuse:
21 Because that, when they knew God, they glorified him not as God, neither were thankful; but became vain in their imaginations, and their foolish heart was darkened.
22 Professing themselves to be wise, they became fools,
23 And changed the glory of the uncorruptible God into an image made like to corruptible man, and to birds, and fourfooted beasts, and creeping things.
24 Wherefore God also gave them up to uncleanness through the lusts of their own hearts, to dishonour their own bodies between themselves:
What about babies, infants, children, the mentally handicapped etc?
Romans 4:15
15 Because the law worketh wrath: for where no law is, there is no transgression.
Romans 5:13
13 (For until the law sin was in the world: but sin is not imputed when there is no law.
 
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Saint Steven said:
Countless billions have gone into the afterlife having never even heard the name of Jesus. Will they be tormented for all of eternity with no hope of escape?

That is a total misunderstanding of the gospel. Everyone can know there is God if they want to. Atheists do not say the truth. If any want to see, they will see there is God behind everything. And in seeking anything about God, they will recognize their separation from God. They need repentance from how they lived. None of that takes hearing of Jesus. Believers who have heard of Jesus and have come to him are supposed to reach those others, they will be used. It is about us reaching them, and they wil respond coming to Jesus. It is not at all about people not hearing about Jesus and perishing for that. Those perishing do so because of their sins in their life, without ever repenting.
 
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