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They didn't have to be taken to heaven for the comparison to work. They were taken out of the carnage. As we will be





No, this will be when we are judged, rewarded, the marriage of Christ and His bride and the marriage feast.



What would our work be? We will no longer have the Holy Spirit with us.. and we can do nothing without Him. We also cannot save anyone as that is the work of the Holy Spirit.

What good will we be when we cannot buy sell or even show our faces? Just ducking and running for our lives, trying to survive, feed ourselves and not get caught...

If we get caught or turned in by a family member or friend.. It will be "bow to the beast and take the mark" or "off with your head"...


What you have quoted me as saying, I don't recall saying any of those things in this thread. Are you sure that wasn't someone else who said those things?
 
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I have heard you talk of this before..

You do realize that the Holy Land is not a Christ believing place. In fact only 144,000 will convert to be messianic and accept their savior.

How on earth are you going to get 2 + billion Believing Christians into that land...?

I know, I know... God has a plan..

I agree... It's the rapture and it removes the Church from the earth, along with the Holy Spirit. This way Satan runs amuck unimpeded.
I have been posting on forums for over 10 years now and my message is consistent; All the Prophets say; God's faithful people, every born again Christian will go to and live in all of the holy Land. It is our heritage and our destiny. Proved by how we are there in Daniel 7:25 and Revelation 13:7

That you and many others like to believe something else is your prerogative, but nowhere does the Bible say humans will go to live in heaven.
The 144k will be selected out of the vast multitude of Christian peoples, who will live in peace and prosperity in all the area from the Nile to the Euphrates.
Christians will occupy the holy Land

Nearly 4000 years ago, God met with Abraham and made an irrevocable Covenant with him: that his descendants would inherit all that area from the Nile to the Euphrates. Genesis 15:6-20

Later, after the incident at Mt Moriah, Genesis 22:15-18, God promised to make his descendants as numerous as the sands of the sea and they would possess the cities of their enemies.

Immediately, we see the problem with those who say that the Jewish people are all of Israel, because the Jews, who are only 2 of the 12 tribes of the sons of Jacob, have never been really numerous, or have been conquerors. We see this difference again in the blessings given to the tribes by Jacob: Genesis 48 & 49 and Moses: Deuteronomy 33. Note particularly in Genesis 48:3-4….I shall make you fruitful and increase your descendants until they become a host of nations.

This truth completely removes any idea of the Jewish State of Israel being the sole inheritors of the holy Land. In fact they only occupy a small portion of it and Bible prophecy is clear: because of their apostasy and sins, they will be thrown out. Jeremiah 10:18, Jeremiah 12:14, Isaiah 22:14, Ezekiel 21:1-7 Amos 2:4-5, +
There can be no argument as to who it will be that does inherit all of the holy Land: it is those whom Jesus came to save: the lost sheep of the House of Israel. Matthew 15:24
They are the people descended from the 10 tribes that were taken into exile by the Assyrians and have lost the knowledge of their ancestry. Paul talks about this secret of God in Ephesians 3:1-6, where he refers to them as Gentiles. i.e. non Jews.
The Apostles and Josephus knew where they were. Of course the Jews know about their kin, as we see in John 7:35, Ezekiel 11:14-21 and their Rabbis still speculate as to when the tribes will rejoin.

The remnant of Judah, the Messianic Jews, will rejoin with their Christian brothers at the great spiritual regeneration described in Ezekiel 37, Jeremiah 50:4-5, Romans 9:24-26

Galatians 3:14 God’s purpose in all of this, is so that the Blessings of Abraham should be extended to the Gentiles, so that we can all receive the Spirit through faith.

Ezekiel 11:15-20 The whole people of Israel [the 10 tribes] to whom Judah [the Jews] have said: The Land is now ours to possess. As they do now.

The Lord says: When I sent Israel far away around the world, for a while I was their protector and blessed them wherever they lived. I shall gather My people from their dispersion and give the Land of Israel to them. I will remove their hearts of stone and put a new spirit in them. They will be My people and I will be their God.
This prophecy says how the Jews believe the holy Land is their possession. But the Lord will give it to His righteous Christian people, the peoples who have been blessed with prosperity and strength. They will be joined by born again Christians from every race, nation and language. Isaiah 56:1-8, Revelation 5:9-10

This will happen soon after the forthcoming Lord’s Day of vengeance and wrath:

Ezekiel 20:34 By My outpoured wrath, I shall bring you out from the nations and gather you from wherever you are dispersed.

Isaiah 41:8-10 Have no fear, My people - the descendants of My friend, Abraham. Galatians 3:29
I have not rejected you, now I summon you from the four corners of the earth; I am with you and will give you strength.


But not all of those whom God knows are actual Israelites, Amos 9:9, will be allowed to enter the holy Land:

Ezekiel 20:35-38 I shall bring you out of the nations and I shall state My case against you. I shall make you pass under the Rod of Judgement. Just as I did in the wilderness of Egypt, so I shall indict you. I will count you as you enter, but those who revolt and rebel, I shall take them from the lands where they now live, but they will not set foot in the holy Land. Thus you will know I am the Lord.

These are plainly stated prophesies, not yet fulfilled, but surely will be.
Ref; logostelos.info
 
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I have been posting on forums for over 10 years now and my message is consistent; All the Prophets say; God's faithful people, every born again Christian will go to and live in all of the holy Land. It is our heritage and our destiny. Proved by how we are there in Daniel 7:25 and Revelation 13:7
Then why should the rest of the world even exist?
 
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Then why should the rest of the world even exist?
That you should even ask this, shows you lack of understanding about God's Plans for us and the world.
God's purpose has always been to have a people in the holy land, His witnesses, Isaiah 43:8-13, John 15:27 and His Light to the nations Isaiah 49:3-8, Matthew 5:14-16 Our task is to proclaim the Gospel until Jesus Returns. Matthew 28:19-20
He has angels in heaven, we humans NEVER go there. After the Millennium God and therefore; heaven come to us on earth. Revelation 21:1-8
 
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That you should even ask this, shows you lack of understanding about God's Plans for us and the world.
God's purpose has always been to have a people in the holy land, His witnesses, Isaiah 43:8-13, John 15:27 and His Light to the nations Isaiah 49:3-8, Matthew 5:14-16 Our task is to proclaim the Gospel until Jesus Returns. Matthew 28:19-20
He has angels in heaven, we humans NEVER go there. After the Millennium God and therefore; heaven come to us on earth. Revelation 21:1-8
Ezekiel 39:28 Then shall they know that I am the LORD their God, which caused them to be led into captivity among the heathen: but I have gathered them unto their own land, and have left none of them any more there.

Does not apply to guy like you and I, Keras. I have no ties to to desire to live in Israel. It is not part of my heritage.
 
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DavidPT said:
What you have quoted me as saying, I don't recall saying any of those things in this thread. Are you sure that wasn't someone else who said those things?
You are right. There must have been a glitch in the system. I only push the "post reply" and it brings it down...
Should have quoted "Keras" post #64.
 
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I have been posting on forums for over 10 years now and my message is consistent; All the Prophets say; God's faithful people, every born again Christian will go to and live in all of the holy Land. It is our heritage and our destiny. Proved by how we are there in Daniel 7:25 and Revelation 13:7

That you and many others like to believe something else is your prerogative, but nowhere does the Bible say humans will go to live in heaven.
The 144k will be selected out of the vast multitude of Christian peoples, who will live in peace and prosperity in all the area from the Nile to the Euphrates.
Christians will occupy the holy Land

Nearly 4000 years ago, God met with Abraham and made an irrevocable Covenant with him: that his descendants would inherit all that area from the Nile to the Euphrates. Genesis 15:6-20

Later, after the incident at Mt Moriah, Genesis 22:15-18, God promised to make his descendants as numerous as the sands of the sea and they would possess the cities of their enemies.

Immediately, we see the problem with those who say that the Jewish people are all of Israel, because the Jews, who are only 2 of the 12 tribes of the sons of Jacob, have never been really numerous, or have been conquerors. We see this difference again in the blessings given to the tribes by Jacob: Genesis 48 & 49 and Moses: Deuteronomy 33. Note particularly in Genesis 48:3-4….I shall make you fruitful and increase your descendants until they become a host of nations.

This truth completely removes any idea of the Jewish State of Israel being the sole inheritors of the holy Land. In fact they only occupy a small portion of it and Bible prophecy is clear: because of their apostasy and sins, they will be thrown out. Jeremiah 10:18, Jeremiah 12:14, Isaiah 22:14, Ezekiel 21:1-7 Amos 2:4-5, +
There can be no argument as to who it will be that does inherit all of the holy Land: it is those whom Jesus came to save: the lost sheep of the House of Israel. Matthew 15:24
They are the people descended from the 10 tribes that were taken into exile by the Assyrians and have lost the knowledge of their ancestry. Paul talks about this secret of God in Ephesians 3:1-6, where he refers to them as Gentiles. i.e. non Jews.
The Apostles and Josephus knew where they were. Of course the Jews know about their kin, as we see in John 7:35, Ezekiel 11:14-21 and their Rabbis still speculate as to when the tribes will rejoin.

The remnant of Judah, the Messianic Jews, will rejoin with their Christian brothers at the great spiritual regeneration described in Ezekiel 37, Jeremiah 50:4-5, Romans 9:24-26

Galatians 3:14 God’s purpose in all of this, is so that the Blessings of Abraham should be extended to the Gentiles, so that we can all receive the Spirit through faith.

Ezekiel 11:15-20 The whole people of Israel [the 10 tribes] to whom Judah [the Jews] have said: The Land is now ours to possess. As they do now.

The Lord says: When I sent Israel far away around the world, for a while I was their protector and blessed them wherever they lived. I shall gather My people from their dispersion and give the Land of Israel to them. I will remove their hearts of stone and put a new spirit in them. They will be My people and I will be their God.
This prophecy says how the Jews believe the holy Land is their possession. But the Lord will give it to His righteous Christian people, the peoples who have been blessed with prosperity and strength. They will be joined by born again Christians from every race, nation and language. Isaiah 56:1-8, Revelation 5:9-10

This will happen soon after the forthcoming Lord’s Day of vengeance and wrath:

Ezekiel 20:34 By My outpoured wrath, I shall bring you out from the nations and gather you from wherever you are dispersed.

Isaiah 41:8-10 Have no fear, My people - the descendants of My friend, Abraham. Galatians 3:29
I have not rejected you, now I summon you from the four corners of the earth; I am with you and will give you strength.



But not all of those whom God knows are actual Israelites, Amos 9:9, will be allowed to enter the holy Land:

Ezekiel 20:35-38 I shall bring you out of the nations and I shall state My case against you. I shall make you pass under the Rod of Judgement. Just as I did in the wilderness of Egypt, so I shall indict you. I will count you as you enter, but those who revolt and rebel, I shall take them from the lands where they now live, but they will not set foot in the holy Land. Thus you will know I am the Lord.

These are plainly stated prophesies, not yet fulfilled, but surely will be.
Ref; logostelos.info
Sorry, I disagree. Our time in the Holy land will be in the final age of existence. When Heaven is on earth. Not in that little tract of land that belongs to Israel.
 
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Does not apply to guy like you and I, Keras. I have no ties to to desire to live in Israel. It is not part of my heritage.

Ephesians 1:11-14 In Christ we have been given our share in the heritage, as was decreed in His design …for it was God’s will that we, who were the first to set our hope on Jesus and to praise His glory.
And, in Christ, you Christians also, once you believed and received the Holy Spirit, the promise of the inheritance that will be ours, when God has redeemed all of His own, to His glory and praise.


Ephesians 3:6 Through the Gospel, the Gentiles are joint heirs with the Jews, part of the same body, sharers together in the promises made through Jesus.


Romans 8:16-17 The Spirit of God affirms that we are His children and if children, then also the heirs of God and fellow heirs with Jesus, but we must share His suffering if we are to share His glory.

Romans 8:19 The Created universe is waiting with eager expectation for God’s sons to be revealed.


Our greatest heritage as born again Christians is the promise of eternal life. John 3:16,Titus 3:5-7, + But we also inherit the Land promises, Psalms 37:29, Ezekiel 36:8-12, Ezekiel 34:11-31 It is we Christians, from every tribe, race, nation and language, that are the vast multitude seen waving palm branches in Jerusalem. Revelation 7:9

The ones who have passed thru the great ordeal of the Sixth Seal disaster and have earned the white garments by standing firm in our faith. Revelation 7:14

Note: in Romans 8:19, that God’s true children are not yet made known, Jesus will come with His winnowing fork and sift the wheat from the chaff. Matthew 3:12 Those Christians who stood strong in their faith when He comes in fire, Luke 12:49, 2 Thessalonians 1:7-8, are the wheat that will be gathered into the granary of the holy Land. The chaff of the ungodly peoples will be as ashes under our feet. Isaiah 66:17, Malachi 4:3, 2 Peter 3:7
 
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Sorry, I disagree. Our time in the Holy land will be in the final age of existence. When Heaven is on earth. Not in that little tract of land that belongs to Israel.
Then you haven't understood God's Plan for His people in the end times.
The Jewish State of Israel currently occupies only a small fraction of the entire holy Land area. Genesis 15:18
As Jeremiah 12:10-17 prophesies;...I will uproot those evil peoples and I will uproot Judah too and only people who go by My Name, [Christians] will live there.
 
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You are right. There must have been a glitch in the system. I only push the "post reply" and it brings it down...
Should have quoted "Keras" post #64.
I look forward to the return of Jesus as my fear of Blasphemy of the Holy Spirit will be no more. I am so scared that I committed in a yellow light and that I am a false prophet. I deeply concerned but I trust Jesus will rescue me and that he did not allow a supernatural temptation and that I am just mentally ill. I wonder if Jesus will come back with Trump's last night and the Trump will sound that would be interesting. The Man of Lawlessness has to be revealed before the rapture occurs. I am worried that I was since I had a hallucination in the Psych Hospital and now I worry that I am a false prophet. I am trying to Jesus. I mixed up Satan and Jesus on accident in a hallucination. I trust Jesus will rapture me and that I am not the false prophet or the Antichrist. I am in the Lamb's Book of Life I believe!
 
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I look forward to the return of Jesus as my fear of Blasphemy of the Holy Spirit will be no more. I am so scared that I committed in a yellow light and that I am a false prophet. I deeply concerned but I trust Jesus will rescue me and that he did not allow a supernatural temptation and that I am just mentally ill. I wonder if Jesus will come back with Trump's last night and the Trump will sound that would be interesting. The Man of Lawlessness has to be revealed before the rapture occurs. I am worried that I was since I had a hallucination in the Psych Hospital and now I worry that I am a false prophet. I am trying to Jesus. I mixed up Satan and Jesus on accident in a hallucination. I trust Jesus will rapture me and that I am not the false prophet or the Antichrist. I am in the Lamb's Book of Life I believe!

A false prophet doesn't worry about whether they are a false prophet or not so I wouldn't worry on that plus anyone who utters a false prophecy can repent of it since it is not unforgivable. The endtimes Revelation false prophet also will not be someone who is worried about it. He is pure evil and knows it and knows he is a false prophet and doesn't care.
 
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A false prophet doesn't worry about whether they are a false prophet or not so I wouldn't worry on that plus anyone who utters a false prophecy can repent of it since it is not unforgivable. The endtimes Revelation false prophet also will not be someone who is worried about it. He is pure evil and knows it and knows he is a false prophet and doesn't care.

Is that why people still see the Holy Spirit in my life. I am suffering this delusion and it bothers me greatly I have Schizoaffective disorder, OCD Scrupulosity, Autism, and Pandas. I asked Jesus in my heart when I was four and I was baptized when I was eight years old. I saw a yellow light and now it tells me I am a false prophet. I know Jesus will rapture me though as the only way to lose your name from the Book of Life is changing the prophecy of Revelation. The Mark of the Beast isn't out yet but I am worried that I got in a hallucination that turned me into a false prophet. I think that I am just chemically imbalanced and not a false prophet.
A false prophet doesn't worry about whether they are a false prophet or not so I wouldn't worry on that plus anyone who utters a false prophecy can repent of it since it is not unforgivable. The endtimes Revelation false prophet also will not be someone who is worried about it. He is pure evil and knows it and knows he is a false prophet and doesn't care.
 
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I look forward to the return of Jesus as my fear of Blasphemy of the Holy Spirit will be no more. I am so scared that I committed in a yellow light and that I am a false prophet. I deeply concerned but I trust Jesus will rescue me and that he did not allow a supernatural temptation and that I am just mentally ill. I wonder if Jesus will come back with Trump's last night and the Trump will sound that would be interesting. The Man of Lawlessness has to be revealed before the rapture occurs. I am worried that I was since I had a hallucination in the Psych Hospital and now I worry that I am a false prophet. I am trying to Jesus. I mixed up Satan and Jesus on accident in a hallucination. I trust Jesus will rapture me and that I am not the false prophet or the Antichrist. I am in the Lamb's Book of Life I believe!
People that commit "blasphemy of the Holy Spirit" are not concerned that they have done so. Point blank... they don't care, it's a conscious choice to do so.

What you are feeling is false conviction of the enemy. He likes to deceive us and torment us with such lies.

Once you are saved, he will try to constantly bring doubt as to your solid salvation.

You really need to get in to a pastor or elder for calming council.
 
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People that commit "blasphemy of the Holy Spirit" are not concerned that they have done so. Point blank... they don't care, it's a conscious choice to do so.

What you are feeling is false conviction of the enemy. He likes to deceive us and torment us with such lies.

Once you are saved, he will try to constantly bring doubt as to your solid salvation.

You really need to get in to a pastor or elder for calming council.
So it truly is a mental illness that I am facing currently. I am not a false prophet and this blue light on my brain isn't truly real it is truly real schizoaffective, pandas, autism, and OCD Scrupulosity and I am fine with God is that why none of the stuff has come true. I am just mentally ill so it isn't my salvation at stake it truly was a hallucination with the Yellow Cross/Yellow Light and I could not control it now my brain says I blasphemed the Holy Spirit but I did not mean to it was a accident which is why I asked Jesus for forgiveness I love Jesus so much it was a accident in a hallucination mixing Satan and Jesus up I was praying to Jesus in the shower in intense prayer when the Yellow Light/Cross showed up and I didn't know it was Satan I thought it was Jesus with how intense my prayer was it was accident. I was reading about in Luke 22:31-32 and that brought encouragement Peter was restored for all of his sins against Jesus he can forgive me for my accident I believe he can still rapture me since I asked him in my heart when I was four and I was baptized when I was 8 so I am okay if I blasphemed I would not ask for forgiveness so Jesus still loves me.
 
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So it truly is a mental illness that I am facing currently. I am not a false prophet and this blue light on my brain isn't truly real it is truly real schizoaffective, pandas, autism, and OCD Scrupulosity and I am fine with God is that why none of the stuff has come true. I am just mentally ill so it isn't my salvation at stake it truly was a hallucination with the Yellow Cross/Yellow Light and I could not control it now my brain says I blasphemed the Holy Spirit but I did not mean to it was a accident which is why I asked Jesus for forgiveness I love Jesus so much it was a accident in a hallucination mixing Satan and Jesus up I was praying to Jesus in the shower in intense prayer when the Yellow Light/Cross showed up and I didn't know it was Satan I thought it was Jesus with how intense my prayer was it was accident. I was reading about in Luke 22:31-32 and that brought encouragement Peter was restored for all of his sins against Jesus he can forgive me for my accident I believe he can still rapture me since I asked him in my heart when I was four and I was baptized when I was 8 so I am okay if I blasphemed I would not ask for forgiveness so Jesus still loves me.
I'm not a doctor of any kind...But I know from personal experience..that.. Mental illnesses can cause reality to vanish and replace it with very unreal information.

I don't know of anyone who gets colored lights to indicate their salvation or lack of it.

I would seek professional help. Both in your mental health and with a pastor or elder.

In the mean time. Call on the name of Jesus Christ, the One who was slain for your salvation and rebuke the devil and all his minions in His name and with His power.

But, seek professional help. Anyone seeking Christ, has not committed the "unforgivable sin".

If you had.. you would have done it on purpose, consciously and intentionally.

You would not care.
 
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I'm not a doctor of any kind...But I know from personal experience..that.. Mental illnesses can cause reality to vanish and replace it with very unreal information.

I don't know of anyone who gets colored lights to indicate their salvation or lack of it.

I would seek professional help. Both in your mental health and with a pastor or elder.

In the mean ti me. Call on the name of Jesus Christ, the One who was slain for your salvation and rebuke the devil and all his minions in His name and with His power.

But, seek professional help. Anyone seeking Christ, has not committed the "unforgivable sin".

If you had.. you would have done it on purpose, consciously and intentionally.

You would not care.
Thanks Jack I see a psychiatrist it is a new experience for my life and it was such a shock. I could see it coming from my Buspar which raised my serotonin level to high. I had all the signs of developing schizophrenia I read for Film Festival and had high stress levels reading so many screenplays and not sleeping well at night. It truly was an issue and I was planning a trip to attend and I was unaware but I did start having hallucinations and hearing voices at 24. So I don't know why it happened with the Yellow Light/Cross and the Blue Light it is concerning but I am seeing a doctor so there is no way it is the Mark of the Beast from a light it simply is an illness and that is why people see the Holy Spirit in my life.
 
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Hi,
I was wondering what left still has to happen before Jesus can return. I heard the third temple must be built first, and what else must happen?
Our Lord can and will return when it is His good pleasure to do so. Nothing in the universe can hinder Him. The idea that "X, Y, and Z must happen before the Lord returns" is supremely silly.
 
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Matthew 24 will take place before the Lord returns and the tribulation starts but the days are short but the rapture occurs before the Antichrist and False Prophet is revealed. My dad is funny you cant preorder the Mark. I struggle with lights but I stick to the Bible!
 
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