- May 15, 2005
- 11,935
- 1,498
- Country
- United States
- Faith
- Christian
- Marital Status
- Married
- Politics
- CA-Conservatives
As the following post came up in another thread which is already overly long, and as it has very little connection to the subject of that thread, which was falsely titled "The Fatal Flaw in Dispensationalism," I am re-posting it here as the OP for a new thread.
But before addressing THIS post, I will add that the poster, whose handle is “sovereigngrace,” has been making a great point of the fact that there is no single scripture that explicitly “teaches (1) a rapture of the Church, (2) immediately followed by a literal seven-year tribulation, (3) immediately followed by a further Coming of Christ?”
In pressing this point, this poster is ignoring two explicitly stated passages of scripture. The first of these is:
“Whom will he teach knowledge?
And whom will he make to understand the message?
Those just weaned from milk?
Those just drawn from the breasts?
For precept must be upon precept, precept upon precept,
Line upon line, line upon line,
Here a little, there a little."
(Isaiah 28:9-10)
This passage explicitly states that the whole picture of God’s plan is never presented in a single passage of scripture. It was intentionally scattered around, making careful study a basic requirement of even beginning to understand God’s revealed plans.
And the second of the explicitly stated passages of scripture being flatly ignored by this poster is:
“And the disciples came and said to Him, ‘Why do You speak to them in parables?’ He answered and said to them, ‘Because it has been given to you to know the mysteries of the kingdom of heaven, but to them it has not been given. For whoever has, to him more will be given, and he will have abundance; but whoever does not have, even what he has will be taken away from him.’ ” (Matthew 13:10-12)
This passage tells us that the Holy Scriptures are intentionally designed to not only reveal the plan of God to His own, but to conceal it from unbelievers. It is pysically impossible to even begin to understand the Holy Scriptures witout first deciding to simply believe whatever might be found there.
Addressing all the errors in this post will take very much space, involving numerous separate posts. So I will not even try to address them individually in this OP. But I will begin by simply stating that, in order to adequately address a doctrinal system you think is mistaken, you need to begin by coming to an understanding of what the advocates of that doctrine actually teach. This is something that “sovereigngrace” has failed to do. For this post presents ideas presented by some poorly taught advocates of pre-tribulationism as it they were what is generally taught in the pre-tribulaton camp. I cannot say this poster has never bumped up against any of the ideas presented in the post above. But I can assure everyone who reads this, that what is presented in this post IS NOT scriptural pre-tribulationism and is NOT what was taught by the classical dispensational teachers.
But before addressing THIS post, I will add that the poster, whose handle is “sovereigngrace,” has been making a great point of the fact that there is no single scripture that explicitly “teaches (1) a rapture of the Church, (2) immediately followed by a literal seven-year tribulation, (3) immediately followed by a further Coming of Christ?”
In pressing this point, this poster is ignoring two explicitly stated passages of scripture. The first of these is:
“Whom will he teach knowledge?
And whom will he make to understand the message?
Those just weaned from milk?
Those just drawn from the breasts?
For precept must be upon precept, precept upon precept,
Line upon line, line upon line,
Here a little, there a little."
(Isaiah 28:9-10)
This passage explicitly states that the whole picture of God’s plan is never presented in a single passage of scripture. It was intentionally scattered around, making careful study a basic requirement of even beginning to understand God’s revealed plans.
And the second of the explicitly stated passages of scripture being flatly ignored by this poster is:
“And the disciples came and said to Him, ‘Why do You speak to them in parables?’ He answered and said to them, ‘Because it has been given to you to know the mysteries of the kingdom of heaven, but to them it has not been given. For whoever has, to him more will be given, and he will have abundance; but whoever does not have, even what he has will be taken away from him.’ ” (Matthew 13:10-12)
This passage tells us that the Holy Scriptures are intentionally designed to not only reveal the plan of God to His own, but to conceal it from unbelievers. It is pysically impossible to even begin to understand the Holy Scriptures witout first deciding to simply believe whatever might be found there.
Addressing all the errors in this post will take very much space, involving numerous separate posts. So I will not even try to address them individually in this OP. But I will begin by simply stating that, in order to adequately address a doctrinal system you think is mistaken, you need to begin by coming to an understanding of what the advocates of that doctrine actually teach. This is something that “sovereigngrace” has failed to do. For this post presents ideas presented by some poorly taught advocates of pre-tribulationism as it they were what is generally taught in the pre-tribulaton camp. I cannot say this poster has never bumped up against any of the ideas presented in the post above. But I can assure everyone who reads this, that what is presented in this post IS NOT scriptural pre-tribulationism and is NOT what was taught by the classical dispensational teachers.
Last edited:
