I'd love to see it, but it just looks like nonsense. I'm not harboring or cherishing any sin that I know of. I'm willing to do whatever God says, as far as I know. But re-inventing the wheel of the creation story according to your interpretation honestly strains credulity for me. It makes... no... sense.
Brother, it means that when God makes a time holy, in this case the seventh-day of creation in Eden, fixed in time is that period and does not circle the earth with the week as tradition would have as believe. So, wherever you find yourself on the earth you have to adjust for your distance from Eden, in the case of Israel, they have to start the Sabbath 10 hours earlier than their local seventh-day of the week. It also means that from Israel we can know where Eden is and it falls on the International Date Line (IDL) that nobody thought was the site of our origin where God taught us to count the days with the week. United in our hope of the soon return of Jesus, Jorge
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No Dave, I am not the lest bit hostile. Observe any day you choose. What I am hostile about is that SDAs teach that most of the remainder of Christianity must observe the day SDAs deem to be the Sabbath or face eternal damnation.
Claiming something doesn't make it so. The history of your forum activity speaks for itself.
Thanks for your okay.
Just another exaggerated, sweeping generalization
What you write proves simply that you have deep convictions that your favorite parts of scripture are what everyone should focus on. Nothing more.
You don't seem to know what hostility is. Because I expose the false doctrines your church espouses concerning Sabbath, and tithing you label me as hostile and then same as tell me I am a liar for explaining what I am doing..
You are more than welcome.
I exaggerate the fact that the SDA church teaches that those who reject the the day you deem as the Sabbath will not inherit eternal life. Why are you trying to diminish one of the beliefs of the SDA church?
And you??
Most of Christianity is not that divided. Your church is the one that divides itself from mainstream Christianity
Opinions run rampant from you.
I have done no labeling or name-calling (such as your "Sabbath Salesmen"). I have merely acknowledged the pattern of your forum activity. Frankly, if I were at liberty to call you anything, it wouldn't be "liar."
The church teaches no such thing, and you know it. The most basic Adventist training includes the teaching of scripture that speaks of God winking at ignorance and sin being accountable only to those who are aware of it and are convicted as such. Furthermore, you must know that the mark of the beast has not yet been instituted.
Why do you ascribe motive and agenda and presume to read the minds of people of whom you barely know? It is a simple thing to observe a pattern of behavior: You chomp at the bit to malign and dismantle Sabbath-keepers--that is a literally documented reality--your forum activity consists of little else (You even try to get Sabbath-keepers to turn upon one another). I researched from suspicion of as much, and was unfortunately correct in my suspicions.
I make no demands upon people's convictions. I try to be clear and well-spoken, I try to avoid expressing mere opinions, and I generally esteem others better than myself. But I do recognize and acknowledge fault when I see it, especially when it tends to be malicious or of a bullying nature. If the shoe fits...
Correct. And that is because pluralistic ecumenism is the order of the day. But I wasn't referring to Christianity, in general, but of doctrinal discussion, in particular.
A bit of Googling is all it takes to dispel this relic of a myth.
There is a distinct difference between opinion and the statement of fact followed by a bit of speculation of strategy to which you refer. The definition of the word "opinion" in an abridged dictionary is quite interesting. It's commonly misunderstood.
I didn't know my beliefs were in question, and they are not so unique that they have not been presented to you many, many times over. There is nothing left to say in their defense. The fact that you reject and despise them is no reason for me to cast pearls before you.
Brother, happy Sabbath! God told Israel and you assume that God told everyone when that assumption fails in Eden, where the first Sabbath was from light to light, ending in the morning as clearly seen on the first day in Genesis. God began the first day when God turned on the first period of light from morning to evening before the period of night from evening to morning completed the first 24 hours from the first light to the light again in the morning.
That is a forced defense inconsistent with God's use of the word evening in Leviticus, where it both begins and ends a period and is not in itself a period like you use it saying all evening and all morning when they are instances that begin and end the half periods of day and night that complete a 24 hour day.
Incorrect, because the first half of a Sabbath in Israel, as is our experience, is a period that God called night of 12 hours from evening to morning, which in Eden also concluded the first day that began earlier with the light period of morning to evening that God called day. In Eden the Sabbath is different than in Israel. God knew what He was saying when He ended the first day with the period of the night, from evening to morning in Eden, forced to represent a full day because of our Saturday tradition adopted from the Jews in Israel, who not only were wrong about Jesus, they were also wrong about the Sabbath in other places besides Israel.
Brother, consider God’s use of these words in the Bible: “day” and “night” as 12-hour periods and “evening” and “morning” as transitions between these two periods. Note that these transitions need two periods, needed is the period before to transition to the period after. Light is necessary before an evening can occur, the word evening ends the 12-hour day of light and begins the 12-hour night of darkness. Before the first day there was darkness, what there was not before the first day was light to begin with an evening, you can only begin the first day with a morning, given the earlier darkness necessary to move from darkness to light. Evening is a transition word in the middle of the first 24-hour day and not a period of darkness inconsistent with God's use in Leviticus of this transition word that is not a period word. Note that God did not say in Genesis: “and there was night and there was day, the first day,” as you force Him to say above, when He chose to say something else with other words that are not period words, but transition words that mean something completely different, the 12-hours of night with nothing to report during this period because God stopped the creation every night period and only created during the light period within the week of creation.
Brother, the Bible opposes our tradition as false: the Sabbath is not the 7th day of the week in Israel. Multiple-choice questions guide step by step below, starting with common ground.
Brother, can you see the Sabbath separated from the seventh day of the week in Israel? Not committed to the need to defend our tradition, can you follow the above multiple-choice questions as revealing that the first Sabbath was like the first day from the first light to the light again in the morning or from morning to morning and not from evening to evening? The Sabbath is not as we thought, it actually reveals the reason for the International Date Line site as the place where God taught us to count the days with the week.
I am united and pray for the soon return of our Savior to take us out of all the havoc caused by satan. I fear that those involved in trying to keep the Sabbath, that was given only to Israel, are forgetting the real reason for being a CHRISTian.
