If you don't believe Paul when he says "all Israel shall be saved" then you can't see the plan of God for Israel. Rom. 11:26sorry that is not what Scripture says which covenant is the covenant that promise the physical descendants of Israel have anything but judgment coming. The Scripture says without the circumcision done by belief in Christ Israel is no different than unbelieving Gentiles and will undergo the same judgment they will receive. The Land was given to Christ and so has the entire world He created. Read the parable of the tenets they were nothing more than renters
What gives you reason to believe it's a spiritual Israel?Is Rom 11:26 a reference to 'spiritual' Israel or all Jews?
My goodness I believe all Israel will be saved but also according to Jeremiah and Paul not all Israel, Ro. 2:28-29, I ask you to read again and see that those Jews only in the flesh are not the descendants who have anything promised to them but judgment. The covenant that makes this promise of fleshly inheritanc to those who are temporal Jews. Go to Galatians 4 and see the two covenants The Law who is represented byHagar and her son Ishmael. everyone who remains under that covenant will not have any inheritance. The other covenant, Abrahamic covenant have inheritance through Christ.they are Jews both in the flesh and through faith in Christ who is The Son of Abraham represented by the son of the promise Isaac.If you don't believe Paul when he says "all Israel shall be saved" then you can't see the plan of God for Israel. Rom. 11:26
Were Essau and Jacobs corporate differences or individual? They both came from the same womb
God wills all men to be saved, and nowhere in the Bible is there even so much as a hint that God predestines a single person to eternal damnation. If a person's errant use of freewill prevents them from being able to receive the Kingdom of God, then God will work them into Divine providence, in accordance with His unsearchable Wisdom. But God is no respecter of persons, and thus damns no one, not preferring one person for salvation and another for damnation. They do it themselves, in accordance with their own wills. As long as we keep this in mind it is not difficult to understand what the Apostle is communicating in Romans 9-11.OK now here is the controversial bit.
What shall we say then? Is there injustice on God’s part? By no means! 15For he says to Moses, “I will have mercy on whom I have mercy, and I will have compassion on whom I have compassion.” 16So then it depends not on human will or exertion,b but on God, who has mercy. 17For the Scripture says to Pharaoh, “For this very purpose I have raised you up, that I might show my power in you, and that my name might be proclaimed in all the earth.” 18So then he has mercy on whomever he wills, and he hardens whomever he wills....
21Has the potter no right over the clay, to make out of the same lump one vessel for honorable use and another for dishonorable use? 22What if God, desiring to show his wrath and to make known his power, has endured with much patience vessels of wrath prepared for destruction, 23in order to make known the riches of his glory for vessels of mercy, which he has prepared beforehand for glory...
I suggested that Judas was appointed to dishonour...
Now... I can hear a chorus of voices saying 'naughty naughty' for thinking that...
However I think that our theology to a large degree is a reflection of our concept of God.
Paul had a radical encounter with Him which would have left deep impressions of His Holiness, Awe, Otherness...
I have had several encounters that have deeply impressed on me the Fear of Him, the Purity of Him, He is the Final Word...
He has the prerogative to do as He wills and we are not to judge.
When you have encounters of this nature you have less issue embracing the God of the OT with the Jesus of the NT.
This intense 'Terrible Love' is our Saviour without compromise, without error, both gentle and unyeilding, forever Just.
Putting it out there...
Comments please.
All Israel will be saved when "they see the One they have pierced." Zech. 12:10My goodness I believe all Israel will be saved but also according to Jeremiah and Paul not all Israel, Ro. 2:28-29, I ask you to read again and see that those Jews only in the flesh are not the descendants who have anything promised to them but judgment. The covenant that makes this promise of fleshly inheritanc to those who are temporal Jews. Go to Galatians 4 and see the two covenants The Law who is represented byHagar and her son Ishmael. everyone who remains under that covenant will not have any inheritance. The other covenant, Abrahamic covenant have inheritance through Christ.they are Jews both in the flesh and through faith in Christ who is The Son of Abraham represented by the son of the promise Isaac.
Okay I don’t want this degenerate so I ask the Lord’s blessings on you. Take careAll Israel will be saved when "they see the One they have pierced." Zech. 12:10
This will happen at the second coming.
Thank you, may the Lord's blessing be on you also.Okay I don’t want this degenerate so I ask the Lord’s blessings on you. Take care
Having been to Israel I have seen many Jews adamantly rejecting Jesus and showing no signs of being saved.What gives you reason to believe it's a spiritual Israel?
Rom. 11:26-27Having been to Israel I have seen many Jews adamantly rejecting Jesus and showing no signs of being saved.
I don't see anything in the context that explains the symbol, so we'll have to depend upon the apparent meaning. The most direct seems to be ending the authority of the Temple. This is expressed differently in John, in which Jesus is shown as the new temple. The purpose of the Temple was at least twofold: approaching God and forgiveness of sins. Both are taken over by Jesus.So the renting of the temple vail was God acting with respect to the removal of priestly authority because of Christ's high priestly reign, and an end to the consequences of the Law but not an end to covenant?
The question is - is He doing it now?Rom. 11:26-27
And so all Israel shall be saved: as it is written, There shall come out of Sion the Deliverer, and shall turn away ungodliness from Jacob:
For this is my covenant unto them, when I shall take away their sins.
Do you believe God can do this?
I don't see anything in the context that explains the symbol, so we'll have to depend upon the apparent meaning. The most direct seems to be ending the authority of the Temple. This is expressed differently in John, in which Jesus is shown as the new temple. The purpose of the Temple was at least twofold: approaching God and forgiveness of sins. Both are taken over by Jesus.
By implication you could say that the authority of the priests were ended, since they are sort of agents of the Temple.
But the covenant is something else. Ultimately it's God's commitment to his people. The Temple is one manifestation of it, but that covenant existed before the Temple. So I don't see that this implies an end to the covenant.
Similarly, the Law existed before the Temple. However you interpret Paul (and I think he says that one function of the Law has been taken over by Christ, but not that it's abolished), I don't think this passage talks about ending the Law.
The question is - is He doing it now?