THERE IS NOT ANOTHER

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THERE IS NOT ANOTHER

There is only one way to be saved, and that is through the Gospel of Christ, AKA: the Gospel of the Grace of God.

Romans 1:16
For I am not ashamed of the gospel of Christ: for it is the power of God UNTO salvation to every one that believeth; to the Jew first, and also to the Greek.

Acts 20:24
But none of these things move me; nor do I count my life dear to myself, so that I may finish my race with joy, and the ministry which I received from the Lord Jesus, to testify to the gospel of the grace of God.

1 Corinthians 15: 1-4
Moreover, brethren, I declare to you the gospel which I preached to you, which also you received and in which you stand, by which also you are saved, if you hold fast that word which I preached to you—unless you believed in vain. For I delivered to you first of all that which I also received: that Christ died for our sins according to the Scriptures, and that He was buried, and that He rose again the third day according to the Scriptures

Galatians 1:6-9
I marvel that you are turning away so soon from Him who called you in the grace of Christ, to a different gospel, WHICH IS NOT ANOTHER; but there are some who trouble you and want to pervert the gospel of Christ. But even if we, or an angel from heaven, preach any other gospel to you than what we have preached to you, let him be accursed. As we have said before, so now I say again, if anyone preaches any other gospel to you than what you have received, let him be accursed.

And two chapters later in Galatians 3:3 we read this...

"You foolish Galatians! Who has bewitched you? Before your very eyes Jesus Christ was clearly portrayed as crucified. I would like to learn just one thing from you: Did you receive the Spirit by the works of the law, or by believing what you heard? Are you so foolish? After beginning by means of the Spirit, are you now trying to finish by means of the flesh?"

"Who has bewitched you? Before your very eyes Jesus Christ was clearly portrayed as crucified". By this statement we know what the false teachers were doing. They were preaching another gospel. They knew that if they removed the Cross they could remove the life of Christ and boast in the flesh of those they have deceived, and introduce "a dead works gospel" (which is no gospel at all).

The true Gospel may be obvious to some, but you would be surprised how many "works gospels" are floating around out there. Some believe in a partial crucifixion: The blood of Jesus Christ is conditional. They believe they possess the power in themselves to undo the blood that Jesus shed on the Cross. While some remove the payment from the resurrection and hand it out apart from Christ. And don't forget those... "mechanical gospels". Those that teach if you quit believing, or don't quite believe in Jesus enough, or with the "right kind of saving faith"; you're probably not one of the elect.

Well, I'm here to tell you that Jesus Christ paid the full price our sins, and the Gospel is not an intellectual "mechanical way of salvation" but by faith in the one who died for our sins, was buried, and rose again on the third day. He is not an intellectual formula like.... (saving faith) + (me to the 2nd power) x (myself) divided by (I) = (salvation). NO! He is the one who stilled the waters, made the blind to see, cast out demons, healed the sick, raised the dead, fed the 5000, sweat drops like blood, forgave the sinner, took the cross, took the shame, took the pain, and with little strength left.. spoke these words to heaven..."Father, forgive them; for they know not what they do."!! We have a beautiful grace in Christ Jesus, given to us by a loving Father who listens to the prayers of His children that cry out "Abba Father"!!

Let us never forget the simplicity of the message that SET US FREE!! Proclaiming to the world a Gospel with a love that has no bounds! A love from a righteous man who took it all, and gave it all on an old rugged cross!!

Grace and Peace....

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Some may object and say 'no, it is through Jesus Christ', but then immediately set up a 'Jesus' that is more stringent than Moses, setting a standard only Jesus could keep.
In reality the Gospel defines the conditions by which we are saved through Jesus Christ...me sinner, Him Savior.
 
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Some may object and say 'no, it is through Jesus Christ', but then immediately set up a 'Jesus' that is more stringent than Moses, setting a standard only Jesus could keep.
In reality the Gospel defines the conditions by which we are saved through Jesus Christ...me sinner, Him Savior.
Amen!
 
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The true Gospel may be obvious to some, but you would be surprised how many "works gospels" are floating around out there.

First, for the sake of clarity, please define "works Gospel"

I've heard that charge before, can you also please point out an example of your accusation on CF? Or basically someone claiming we must depend on works in order to get to be saved .

Some believe in a partial crucifixion: The blood of Jesus Christ is conditional.

Who are the "some" you mention? Can you show us an example of them as well?

They believe they possess the power in themselves to undo the blood that Jesus shed on the Cross.

And that too, who says they possess that power? I've never heard anyone say, or even insinuate that, but it is possible I missed that along with the other things you mention so I look forward to your help.
 
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First, for the sake of clarity, please define "works Gospel"

I've heard that charge before, can you also please point out an example of your accusation on CF? Or basically someone claiming we must depend on works in order to get to be saved .



Who are the "some" you mention? Can you show us an example of them as well?



And that too, who says they possess that power? I've never heard anyone say, or even insinuate that, but it is possible I missed that along with the other things you mention so I look forward to your help.

Anything plus or minus the gospel of grace is a works salvation. The body and blood of Christ is the only answer for sin. Human effort is stained with the filthy rags of self righteousness, and has no power for remission of sins. Our very first approach to the Lord was by His blood and every return thereafter SHOULD be by His blood. We come on His terms when we come by the blood of His dear Son. The moment we believed in the Lord Jesus Christ, we died with Christ, were washed in His blood, and raised and seated with Christ in the heavenlies. And because we were reconciled in the body of His flesh through death it is impossible to be unseated, unraised, unwashed, and uncrucified with Christ. If that were the case Christ would have to be "uncrucified". Only in the carnal understanding of our flesh could we ever be "unborn again" (some call "lose salvation").

Hebrews 10:19
Therefore, brethren, having boldness to enter the Holiest by the blood of Jesus,
 
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Anything plus or minus the gospel of grace is a works salvation.

The questions I posed amounted to, who does that?

The body and blood of Christ is the only answer for sin. Human effort is stained with the filthy rags of self righteousness, and has no power for remission of sins. Our very first approach to the Lord was by His blood and every return thereafter SHOULD be by His blood. We come on His terms when we come by the blood of His dear Son. The moment we believed in the Lord Jesus Christ, we died with Christ, were washed in His blood, and raised and seated with Christ in the heavenlies. And because we were reconciled in the body of His flesh through death it is impossible to be unseated, unraised, unwashed, and uncrucified with Christ. If that were the case Christ would have to be "uncrucified". Only in the carnal understanding of our flesh could we ever be "unborn again" (some call "lose salvation").

Hebrews 10:19
Therefore, brethren, having boldness to enter the Holiest by the blood of Jesus,

I'll take your not answering a single question about your claims to mean the claims were all bogus, and there is no one doing what you mentioned.

Let's try one more, and if I get the same non answers, I'll be certain what your claims amount to..

First, i recommend you read James 2:14, right up through 2:26 to understand the following 2:26 in context if you aren't already familiar with the scripture.

Please answer three simple questions from the following verse:

James 2:26 For as the body without the spirit is dead, so faith without works is dead also.

1)In your own words, what does he mean by "faith without works is dead" ?

2)Now the direct questions that require direct answers if you will, please..Does that mean we must have works, or that we don't need works in order to get to heaven? Also, is claiming we have faith alone enough?

And hey, just for fun, aa couple more more, do you feel "faith" in Christ includes doing as he tells us we must do, ot can we be disobedient to him as a lifestyle and still get to heaven?

Also, you mention what we see often enough here, as in being "unborn again" (loss of salvation) is impossible, please take a look at the following scripture and tell me the ones that "fall from the faith" Have they lost their salvation? Or are they still saved?

1 Timothy 4:1 Now the Spirit speaketh expressly, that in the latter times some shall depart from the faith, giving heed to seducing spirits, and doctrines of devils;

Thanks again for your help.
 
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The questions I posed amounted to, who does that?



I'll take your not answering a single question about your claims to mean the claims were all bogus, and there is no one doing what you mentioned.

Let's try one more, and if I get the same non answers, I'll be certain what your claims amount to..

First, i recommend you read James 2:14, right up through 2:26 to understand the following 2:26 in context if you aren't already familiar with the scripture.

Please answer three simple questions from the following verse:

James 2:26 For as the body without the spirit is dead, so faith without works is dead also.

1)In your own words, what does he mean by "faith without works is dead" ?

2)Now the direct questions that require direct answers if you will, please..Does that mean we must have works, or that we don't need works in order to get to heaven? Also, is claiming we have faith alone enough?

And hey, just for fun, aa couple more more, do you feel "faith" in Christ includes doing as he tells us we must do, ot can we be disobedient to him as a lifestyle and still get to heaven?

Also, you mention what we see often enough here, as in being "unborn again" (loss of salvation) is impossible, please take a look at the following scripture and tell me the ones that "fall from the faith" Have they lost their salvation? Or are they still saved?

1 Timothy 4:1 Now the Spirit speaketh expressly, that in the latter times some shall depart from the faith, giving heed to seducing spirits, and doctrines of devils;

Thanks again for your help.
You preach a works salvation because you think there is something good in you for the remission of sins apart from His blood. The cross offends you because it gives no glory to your flesh. Sin is the problem and Christ is the only cure because He is the ONLY sacrifice for sin. You can keep trying to be good enough to save yourself from your sin, but the bible is clear that forgiveness of sins is only through His blood.


Revelation 1:5
and from Jesus Christ, the faithful witness, the firstborn from the dead, and the ruler over the kings of the earth. To Him who loved us and washed us from our sins in His own blood

 
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You preach a works salvation because you think there is something good in you for the remission of sins apart from His blood. The cross offends you because it gives no glory to your flesh. Sin is the problem and Christ is the only cure because He is the ONLY sacrifice for sin. You can keep trying to be good enough to save yourself from your sin, but the bible is clear that forgiveness of sins is only through His blood.


Revelation 1:5
and from Jesus Christ, the faithful witness, the firstborn from the dead, and the ruler over the kings of the earth. To Him who loved us and washed us from our sins in His own blood

Still no answer to the questions.


I gave you plenty of chance, yet all you did was show you cannot back up your accusations, nor refute what the bible says is true. So instead, you avoid it in the form of evading any questioning on your stance. I mean not a single, so much as an attempt to answer.


Surely you see a problem with that? But this is what your side of this does, they preach it by twisting the word (and in you case making untrue claim of what people do so you can attack them when the fact is you could never show they do what you claimed to begin with. Then turn around and walk off when confronted with the actual very simple, not twisted, word of God. And know, that is directed at you but is extremely common here when someone drops in with your message.

FWIW, I'v been from the school of thought so many drop in and do just as you have because you must try to convince others what you say is a fact in order to reinforce your belief in it. Some will help you do that, and some will not.

You have been made, as well as bamboozled by people who choose to concoct an easier more popular way by teaching our sin, at any level, cannot cost us our salvation when that is simply not true..

And what's more, I showed you point blank, with scripture, we can lose salvation and you could not refute it. Here is another:

James 5:19-20 New International Version (NIV)
19 My brothers and sisters, if one of you should wander from the truth and someone should bring that person back, 20 remember this: Whoever turns a sinner from the error of their way will save them from death and cover over a multitude of sins.
 
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Still no answer to the questions.


I gave you plenty of chance, yet all you did was show you cannot back up your accusations, nor refute what the bible says is true. So instead, you avoid it in the form of evading any questioning on your stance. I mean not a single, so much as an attempt to answer.


Surely you see a problem with that? But this is what your side of this does, they preach it by twisting the word (and in you case making untrue claim of what people do so you can attack them when the fact is you could never show they do what you claimed to begin with. Then turn around and walk off when confronted with the actual very simple, not twisted, word of God. And know, that is directed at you but is extremely common here when someone drops in with your message.

FWIW, I'v been from the school of thought so many drop in and do just as you have because you must try to convince others what you say is a fact in order to reinforce your belief in it. Some will help you do that, and some will not.

You have been made, as well as bamboozled by people who choose to concoct an easier more popular way by teaching our sin, at any level, cannot cost us our salvation when that is simply not true..

And what's more, I showed you point blank, with scripture, we can lose salvation and you could not refute it. Here is another:

James 5:19-20 New International Version (NIV)
19 My brothers and sisters, if one of you should wander from the truth and someone should bring that person back, 20 remember this: Whoever turns a sinner from the error of their way will save them from death and cover over a multitude of sins.

If you can't see the word "eternal" means eternal, than how could you possibly know the words of the Christ "it is finished". In the carnal intellect of your mind it is not finished and that is why you keep attacking His cross. You still think His blood needs the help of your flesh for remission of sins. Sin is what separates us from God even in our daily fellowship with God, and the only answer for this separation is still the blood, not the dirty works of the flesh. Even the good works of our unrighteousness must before laid before His cross because there is nothing good in our sinful nature. We come by the blood every time not the corrupted works of our flesh. And this is the very reason we carry in our bodies the dying of the Lord Jesus so His life will be revealed in our mortal bodies

2 Corinthians 4:10
We always carry around in our body the death of Jesus, so that the life of Jesus may also be revealed in our body.

Salvation is eternal (past, present, and future), and His name is Jesus. We are saved from the penalty sin, but we are also being saved from the daily power of sin by faith in that same precious love story. The reason you mix salvation from the penalty of sin with your daily salvation over the power of sin is because you can't see the power of His cross. You still think there is something worthy in your old man that lets you approach the thrown of God under your conditions, rather than the only condition He has set by His blood. In your mind your salvation from sin is conditional therefore the gospel of grace is also conditional. Still trying to save yourself from both the penalty and power of sin by my means of the flesh, rather than praising, preaching, and serving Him with thanksgiving under a COMPLETE FORGIVENESS.

I wish I could make you see that His love is unconditional, but until you come to the end of yourself you will keep promoting the dead works of your old man, and His cross will continue to be neglected as just a "necessary formality". But I can assure you, if you have put your faith in the Lord Jesus Christ, HE IS SINGING OVER YOU, rejoicing over you with gladness!

He doesn’t see His redeemed through a dark glass or a diluted lens. He sees us according to His righteousness, and His righteousness has spoken!

But all too often, through our own struggles, we will turn away from His perception. We look within, rummaging through the dirty laundry hoping to find something worthwhile. Something to hold on to that we may bring as a an offering to win His gladness. Perhaps if we look hard enough we might find something redeeming to lay before the throne? Surely we must have something among these filthy rags that is worthy of His endorsement?

And the whole time He is SINGING OVER YOU!! He is REJOICING OVER YOU with GLADNESS!! Longing to to QUIET YOU WITH HIS LOVE!! A LOVE that NEVER CHANGES!! Forever CLEAN AND SPOTLESS we stand before our FATHER through THE PRECIOUS BLOOD OF HIS DEAR SON!!

Zephaniah 3:17
The Lord your God in your midst, The Mighty One, will save; He will rejoice over you with gladness, He will quiet you with His love, He will rejoice over you with singing.”
 
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If you can't see the word "eternal" means eternal, than how could you possibly know the words of the Christ "it is finished". In the carnal intellect of your mind it is not finished and that is why you keep attacking His cross. You still think His blood needs the help of your flesh for remission of sins. Sin is what separates us from God even in our daily fellowship with God, and the only answer for this separation is still the blood, not the dirty works of the flesh. Even the good works of our unrighteousness must before laid before His cross because there is nothing good in our sinful nature. We come by the blood every time not the corrupted works of our flesh. And this is the very reason we carry in our bodies the dying of the Lord Jesus so His life will be revealed in our mortal bodies

2 Corinthians 4:10
We always carry around in our body the death of Jesus, so that the life of Jesus may also be revealed in our body.

Salvation is eternal (past, present, and future), and His name is Jesus. We are saved from the penalty sin, but we are also being saved from the daily power of sin by faith in that same precious love story. The reason you mix salvation from the penalty of sin with your daily salvation over the power of sin is because you can't see the power of His cross. You still think there is something worthy in your old man that lets you approach the thrown of God under your conditions, rather than the only condition He has set by His blood. In your mind your salvation from sin is conditional therefore the gospel of grace is also conditional. Still trying to save yourself from both the penalty and power of sin by my means of the flesh, rather than praising, preaching, and serving Him with thanksgiving under a COMPLETE FORGIVENESS.

I wish I could make you see that His love is unconditional, but until you come to the end of yourself you will keep promoting the dead works of your old man, and His cross will continue to be neglected as just a "necessary formality". But I can assure you, if you have put your faith in the Lord Jesus Christ, HE IS SINGING OVER YOU, rejoicing over you with gladness!

He doesn’t see His redeemed through a dark glass or a diluted lens. He sees us according to His righteousness, and His righteousness has spoken!

But all too often, through our own struggles, we will turn away from His perception. We look within, rummaging through the dirty laundry hoping to find something worthwhile. Something to hold on to that we may bring as a an offering to win His gladness. Perhaps if we look hard enough we might find something redeeming to lay before the throne? Surely we must have something among these filthy rags that is worthy of His endorsement?

And the whole time He is SINGING OVER YOU!! He is REJOICING OVER YOU with GLADNESS!! Longing to to QUIET YOU WITH HIS LOVE!! A LOVE that NEVER CHANGES!! Forever CLEAN AND SPOTLESS we stand before our FATHER through THE PRECIOUS BLOOD OF HIS DEAR SON!!

Zephaniah 3:17
The Lord your God in your midst, The Mighty One, will save; He will rejoice over you with gladness, He will quiet you with His love, He will rejoice over you with singing.”

I've done all I can for you, but I never see it as likely anything will change. People make their own choices and since the truth is out there, but they still choose an easier way, it's all on them, as in they deceive themselves out of "selfishness", the brunt of the problem with man.

I'm so sorry.
 
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I've done all I can for you, but I never see it as likely anything will change. People make their own choices and since the truth is out there, but they still choose an easier way, it's all on them, as in they deceive themselves out of "selfishness", the brunt of the problem with man.

I'm so sorry.
And I hope that you come to the end of yourself that you may know a grace that is sufficient, and proclaim the joy of a complete forgiveness through the blood of God's only begotten Son.
 
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And I hope that you come to the end of yourself that you may know a grace that is sufficient, and proclaim the joy of a complete forgiveness through the blood of God's only begotten Son.

Thanks but I'll follow the actual Gospel, the one by your evasiveness, you showed you were unable to deny.

By your absolute unwillingness to be questioned, you basically insist we don't believe you.
 
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Thanks but I'll follow the actual Gospel, the one by your evasiveness, you showed you were unable to deny.

By your absolute unwillingness to be questioned, you basically insist we don't believe you.
What Gospel is that? The one that proclaims His blood is insufficient for the remission of sins, and must be mixed with the self righteous stench of human effort? No thanks, been there, I know that false gospel all to well. I'll stick with Gospel that saved me from my sins.
 
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What Gospel is that? The one that proclaims His blood is insufficient for the remission of sins, and must be mixed with the self righteous stench of human effort?

Made up gobbledygook, for the purpose of deceiving others to come over to the easy path that leads to death. Did you ever stop to think this theology does away with the "strait and narrow" in scripture, and makes the path to heaven as wide as we'd like it to be? A huge sign something is bad wrong.

Some are completely duped by the trickery in those type comments. First, it's all in someones mind, it's created and not real, only made up. It's a trick created by design, to put a guilt trip on the listener. It assumes that anyone who doesn't come over to your "easy way" should feel guilty, when, in fact, there is nothing to feel guilty about because such comments are made up and only there to deceive.

Satan is tricky like that, you know.

Fortunately, and hopefully it only ensnares those who want an easy way, and aren't quit interested in a Christianity that requires the slightest thing of them. The best I can figure, they get just what they deserve. I mean "Far be it from us to want to show any type of gratitude to the man who died for, and God who created us by repenting, and following the light load he places upon us..one part of that being, by teaching the true Gospel, and not one that gets us to heaven regardless of how we act.

OSAS is for the lazy, selfish, and such. How dare I say that? I've seen them in action, and how they live their lives. They are all show, but when it comes down to giving of themselves, I never saw much, if anything. What they supposedly do for others has to, in some way, be advantageous to themselves. No "Out of the goodness of their heart". They are mean spirited, as though they follow an anti-Christianity, an opposite of the real.

OSAS, the religion of the end times, and how perfectly does that fit in with the scheme of things. "I offer you a better way, an easier way, take my mark and all will be well for you and yours."
 
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Made up gobbledygook, for the purpose of deceiving others to come over to the easy path that leads to death. Did you ever stop to think this theology does away with the "strait and narrow" in scripture, and makes the path to heaven as wide as we'd like it to be? A huge sign something is bad wrong.

Some are completely duped by the trickery in those type comments. First, it's all in someones mind, it's created and not real, only made up. It's a trick created by design, to put a guilt trip on the listener. It assumes that anyone who doesn't come over to your "easy way" should feel guilty, when, in fact, there is nothing to feel guilty about because such comments are made up and only there to deceive.

Satan is tricky like that, you know.

The reason the finished work of Christ is "gobbledygook" to you is because in your carnal understanding it is still unfinished. You still think the corrupt righteousness of your old man can save you from your sins apart from His blood. But I can assure you there is nothing good in our flesh...

Romans 7:18
For I know that in me (that is, in my flesh) nothing good dwells; for to will is present with me, but how to perform what is good I do not find.

However, I do agree with you on one thing and that is the trickery of Satan...

Satan is like a snake who slithers through the truth, always twisting, always attacking A grace that is sufficient

“Once saved always saved” and “eternal security” are two phrases commonly used by those who believe the blood of Christ is insufficient. They will often use terms like these as a diversion to lead the conversation away from the Bible’s description of salvation, “ETERNAL LIFE”. A subtle deception that attempts to masquerade the words “ETERNAL” and “LIFE” in order to preach and protect their works salvation stronghold. A stronghold that only feeds the flesh and a self-righteousness that was only fit to be crucified. But no matter how much frosting you put on it, and how shiny the wrapper, a works salvation is nothing but a false gospel. A false gospel that claims the death, burial, and resurrection of Christ are insufficient.

1 Corinthians 2:2
For I determined not to know anything among you except Jesus Christ and Him crucified.

If a person is not preaching and defending the gospel of Grace they are more than likely offended by it. Which is nothing but a self righteous mission of the flesh that seeks to abolish the offense of the cross. Blinded by their works salvation they are unable to gaze into the power of complete forgiveness because their carnal mindset is still unable to comprehend the foolishness of the message preached. A foolishness that becomes the power and wisdom of God to those who defend and preach this simple love story! A wisdom that will never be revealed to those who REFUSE to acknowledge their righteousness is filthy rags, and has NO POWER to save them from their sins.

Galatians 6:14
But God forbid that I should boast except in the cross of our Lord Jesus Christ, by whom the world has been crucified to me, and I to the world.

Hebrews 9:12
Not with the blood of goats and calves, BUT WITH HIS OWN BLOOD He entered the Most Holy Place once for all, having obtained ETERNAL REDEMPTION.

The words ETERNAL LIFE are very powerful words. These words in themselves can easily expose their works salvation gospel and prove we are justified by His Grace through the redemption that is in Christ Jesus, not by works.

Romans 3:24
being justified freely by His grace through the redemption that is in Christ Jesus

Definition fo LIFE:
: the quality that distinguishes a vital and functional being from a dead body
: spiritual existence transcending physical death


However, the definition of the word life in the bible is far greater because this is the life of Christ. AND by leading the conversation away from ETERNAL LIFE to words like “OSAS” they are also separating the words ETERNAL from THE CHRIST. Jesus said that He is the way the truth and the LIFE, and also that He is also the RESURRECTION and the LIFE. And that is why Satan likes to use terms like “eternal security” and “OSAS” as diversions from something FAR MORE POWERFUL, ETERNAL LIFE!! The only way around the simplicity of this salvation is to change the definition of the word “eternal”, and that is EXACTLY what they do! Their works salvation stronghold blinds from the simplicity of the word eternal.

Definition of ETERNAL:
: having infinite duration : everlasting
: continued without intermission : perpetual
: valid or existing at all times : timeless


Back when I used to preach that the life of Christ was conditional rather than eternal, all I could preach were law and works with the cross as a “necessary formality”. But after He showed me that my righteousness is completely FILTHY RAGS, I knew that it was impossible to mix the self righteous stench of my old man (body ruled by sin) with blood of God’s dear Son. His blood is HOLY and my old man is CARNAL sold as a slave to sin! Therefore all the glory must go to Him and not the flesh, because HE IS THE RIGHTEOUS LAMB OF GOD who left His glory and TOOK THE CHASTISEMENT FOR OUR PEACE! Our flesh could never take the penalty of sin AND NEVER WILL! But that is EXACTLY what this works salvation teaches when they proclaim they have keep that which then never could earn. Sin is what separates us from God and the only way sin is dealt with is through THE BLOOD OF GOD'S DEAR SON, never could we ever be justified in the sight of God through penance, works, filthy rags, a wretched old man, or any other device conjured up by the hands of men.

Unable to see that their salvation is ETERNAL (past, present, and future) they have no choice but to interpret scripture through the same one dimensional fleeting salvation. They mix salvation from the PENALTY OF SIN with salvation from the POWER OF SIN and can't distinguish between the two. They can’t see how Jesus Christ Crucified SAVES us from the PENALTY of sin, but also our ongoing faith in this same love story saves us from everyday POWER of sin. Without a revelation of the power of His cross they are blinded by this works salvation. So when a tough scripture emerges it will almost always be interpreted as a loss of salvation from the penalty of sin, rather than the power of sin. All because they're blinded to the POWER of His cross. And since they are blinded to the POWER of His cross they are blinded to the grace that frees them from the everyday power of sin. Which is not separate from the same POWER that raised Christ from the dead! If they did see the power of His cross, they would not be so foolish to keep attacking this precious love story, THE GOSPEL OF GRACE, that saves us from both the PENALTY AND POWER OF SIN.

1 Corinthians 2:5
that your faith should not be in the wisdom of men but in the power of God.

1 Corinthians 1:18
For the message of the cross is foolishness to those who are perishing, but to us who are being saved it is the power of God.

Philippians 3:10
that I may know Him and the power of His resurrection, and the fellowship of His sufferings, being conformed to His death,

Many of those who are in bondage to legalism (works salvation) are sincere, and know that the cross is necessary, but just can’t SEE that Jesus fully paid the price (I was crucified with Christ). Surely, something from themselves must be added to His sacrifice to extinguish their own sinful desires. Not understanding that a little yeast works through the whole batch... and boy does it ever!! Living on the inside of this unbelief is miserable and far removed from the love, joy, peace, hope, freedom and power that operate spontaneously in the truth. They may have a zeal for God, but in their own ignorance cannot JOYFULLY proclaim the very truth that has already set them free! The only truth with the POWER to extinguish their unbelief! A truth not separate from Jesus Christ and Him crucified.

The penalty of sin is not separate from the wrath of God, and this penalty was placed on the righteous lamb of God. “The chastisement for our peace was upon Him!" And because this man was Holy, our comprehension of the severity of this penalty is limited. Therefore the MAGNITUDE of LOVE given through this sacrifice is only found in the knowledge of how wretched our sinful nature really is!! So wretched that it was beyond repair and only fit to BE CRUCIFIED!!

O wretched man that I am! Who will deliver me from this body of death? I thank God—through Jesus Christ our Lord! -Rom 7:24-25

So by faith in Jesus Christ and Him Crucified we experience a life full of victory. A life that is not ashamed! A life that gives no glory to the flesh! A life that declares when all hope seems lost…. YOUR SINS ARE FORGIVEN!!

I hope we all seek a deeper understanding of what we deserve, because only THERE do we find what we don’t!
 
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The reason the finished work of Christ is "gobbledygook" to you is because in your carnal understanding it is still unfinished.

Can you please pay attention for just a minute?

I just said you are making up just the type thing as in trying to make people feel guilty with your "Finished work of Christ" tactic, you know twisting the word of God for your own purposes. LOL, you don't even know that you are deceiving others with that mess, just the way the Devil likes it. None of those deceitful comments are at all new here.

That one is simple to refute, Christs finished his work, now all we need do is obey him and do what is expected of us, be obedient and do as he says, something you clearly don't think is necessary. I've questioned you on if being Obedient to Christ is a requirement and since you didn't answer and considering what you post here, I can only assume you don't think we do need to be obedient, so it would make no sense at all for me to listen to you

I mean who wants anything at all to do with someone teaching we need not be obedient to God, that would be silly.
 
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