claninja
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I am deeply troubled by your avoidance. But give me a link and I would be happy to explore further. Full Preterism is indeed full-scale heresy.
I am also troubled by your avoidance to address Luke 23's quotation of hosea in regards to 1st century Jerusalem, which corroborates revelation 6's quotation of hosea in fulfillment of the 6th seal.
I agree Full-preterism is indeed heresy.
Some examples of the already but not yet position of the new heavens and new earth by those who are not full preterist:
Jonathan Edwards:
"Thus there was a final end to the Old Testament world: all was finished with a kind of day of judgment, in which the people of God were saved, and His enemies terribly destroyed." (History of Redemption, vol. i. p. 445)
"We read, That "in the beginning God created the heaven and the earth," and the church of old were to commemorate that work. But when God creates a new heaven and a new earth, those that belong to this new heaven and new earth, by a like reason, are the commemorate the creation of their heaven and earth. ("The Perpetuity and Change of the Sabbath" (The Works of Jonathan Edwards, vol 2).
"The Scriptures further teach us to call the gospel-restoration and redemption, a creation of a new heaven and a new earth.... ("The Perpetuity and Change of the Sabbath" (The Works of Jonathan Edwards, vol 2).
"The gospel-state is every where spoken of as a renewed state of things, wherein old things are passed away, and all things become new." ("The Perpetuity and Change of the Sabbath" (The Works of Jonathan Edwards, vol 2).
"And the dissolution of the Jewish state was often spoken of in the Old Testament as the end of the world. But we who belong to the gospel-church, belong to the new creation; and therefore there seems to be at least as much reason, that we should commemorate the work of this creation, as that the members of the ancient Jewish church should commemorate the work of the old creation." ("The Perpetuity and Change of the Sabbath" (The Works of Jonathan Edwards, vol 2).
C.H. Spurgeon (1865)
"Did you ever regret the absence of the burnt-offering, or the red heifer, of any one of the sacrifices and rites of the Jews? Did you ever pine for the feast of tabernacle, or the dedication? No, because, though these were like the old heavens and earth to the Jewish believers, they have passed away, and we now live under a new heavens and a new earth, so far as the dispensation of divine teaching is concerned. The substance is come, and the shadow has gone: and we do not remember it." (Metropolitan Tabernacle Pulpit, vol. xxxvii, p. 354).
My belief, as a partial preterist, in the new heavens and earth falls in line with Jonathan Edwards and Charles Spurgeon. But as evidenced by your response, it is often misinterpreted as full preterism. And full preterism is not allowed on the eschatological forums.
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