Repent of our Sins?

Acts of the Apostles 3:19 says repent and be converted. Acts of the Apostles 17:30 says that God now commands all men to repent. So Calvinism is simply not true because it does not say you are converted so as to be able to repent. Also, all men are commanded to repent and yet we know not all people obey this command and yet this makes no sense in Calvinism.

Luke 13:3 says to repent or perish. It is not optional in regards to salvation. But true repentance is always followed by a changed life. If one is not changed after seeking forgiveness with the Lord Jesus, they are not really sorry or grieved with a godly sorrow.

Zachm531 said:

No man, repent is a turning away from. "Repent for the Kingdom of God is at hand" doesnt mean stop sinning, that would get people nowhere, it means turn from the world into faith in the Lord. from unbelief to belief.

Click to expand...

Oh, there you are.

That's not what I said at all. I didn't say turn away from sin. I said one has to change their mind about their sin. What good is it to feel bad for your sins and to ask for forgiveness if you're just going to commit them again? Aren't you just going through the motions to avoid the consequences? This is why I said you have some weird ideas from the Bible.

We live in a fallen world and we are sinners, so we can't help but commit sin. However, that doesn't mean that we will commit the sins that we have repented again.

When I was going to college, there was a street beggar at the entrance. His sign read, "John 3:16 REPENT. The end is near." What are you going to do? From your OP, I know what you're going to do which isn't the same as what I am going to do. This is why I think we go to the land of the dead first and then later have final judgement.

Here is my Biblical case for Repentance:

Is The Sinner’s Prayer Biblical?

Bible Highlighter said:

No. The same fingerprints that show that the original language manuscripts are divine has the same fingerprint markers in the English.

Click to expand...

You see the manuscripts as divinely inspired or the Autographs?

d taylor said:

A person becomes born again when they believe in the Messiah for Eternal Life.

As the Bible states they become a child of God. That is the second birth.

A persons first birth is into sin and death.

The second birth (born again) is into being a child of God (into the family of God) and Everlasting Life.

Click to expand...

Good comments. Only thing to consider is it is the Spirit who calls and John 3:8 is very clear in the matter

redleghunter said:

How was Judas saved? Can you explain how someone who was born to fulfill the Scriptures had a chance?


John 17: NASB

6“I have manifested Your name to the men whom You gave Me out of the world; they were Yours and You gave them to Me, and they have kept Your word. 7“Now they have come to know that everything You have given Me is from You; 8for the words which You gave Me I have given to them; and they received them and truly understood that I came forth from You, and they believed that You sent Me. 9“I ask on their behalf; I do not ask on behalf of the world, but of those whom You have given Me; for they are Yours; 10and all things that are Mine are Yours, and Yours are Mine; and I have been glorified in them. 11“I am no longer in the world; and yet they themselves are in the world, and I come to You. Holy Father, keep them in Your name, the name which You have given Me, that they may be one even as We are. 12“While I was with them, I was keeping them in Your name which You have given Me; and I guarded them and not one of them perished but the son of perdition, so that the Scripture would be fulfilled.

Click to expand...

If you are familiar with Reformed theology you would know that the wording of the applicable passage in John 17 describes Judas as being "given" to Jesus by the Father as were the rest of the disciples. No distinction whatsoever between them except for the fact that Judas was eventually lost. V.6 states "the men whom You 'gave' Me out of the world;" "they were Yours" and "You gave them to Me" are reflective of Reformed belief where God the Father chooses those whom He will save. God chooses some for salvation while passing over others is a distinction that Reformed/Calvinists hold to (which I disagree with). Those whom the Father chooses, he gives to Jesus for salvation. The Father bypasses over others and thus they are not saved. V.8 further states that all including Judas rec'd the words, understood and believed that Jesus was sent by the Father. V.9 states "they are yours" which is never descriptive of unbelievers. V.10 states Jesus is "glorified in them" - again never descriptive of unbelievers. "Keep them in your name" in v.11 can only apply to believers. V.12 states that Jesus himself was "keeping them in Your name" but despite that, Judas still perished by his choice to disobey and betray the Savior.

So in this passage we find indicators that Judas was no different from the rest of his cohorts; in other words he was saved but he perished because of his sin(s). Ironically, because Calvinists believe that a genuine believer - someone who is elected by the Father - can never lose his salvation, they are forced to reject this passage in John 17 which indicates that Judas was indeed a believer - in order to preserve their doctrine.

jamesbond007 said:

No. Then you post a lot of verse that do not make the case for you.I posted to the OP that he has some weird ideas from the Bible. He doesn't make the case either nor does he know what repentance is. You may know what repentance is, but it starts from oneself.

Click to expand...

Of course it starts from oneself.
The natural man has no understanding of sin or any reason to change.
Only the Law brings death. With no law there is no death.
The law brought death with repentance required for salvation.

But, the first covenant of law was flawed, and the Jews were God's message to man
that the Law was not sufficient. Then the second covenant was enacted which
was a free gift to man. No repentance or works are required under the the
covenant of Jesus blood.

redleghunter said:

You see the manuscripts as divinely inspired or the Autographs?

Click to expand...

Inspired is not saying much of anything. You inspired me to write this post.
God inspired me to post it here.

Bible Highlighter said:

How do you know that the English is not the actual meaning? Do you have all knowledge?

Words can be lost in translation even from English to Brazilian Portuguese. That does not mean they have different meanings.

Click to expand...

Most words have multiple meanings. Especially in different language use.

Oldmantook said:

If you are familiar with Reformed theology you would know that the wording of the applicable passage in John 17 describes Judas as being "given" to Jesus by the Father as were the rest of the disciples. No distinction whatsoever between them except for the fact that Judas was eventually lost

Click to expand...

There was an exception to Judas. Mentioned it twice. Judas being a disciple had to do with the Scriptures being fulfilled. Jesus said it and so did Peter in Acts 1.

Oldmantook said:

No distinction whatsoever between them except for the fact that Judas was eventually lost. V.6 states "the men whom You 'gave' Me out of the world;" "they were Yours" and "You gave them to Me" are reflective of Reformed belief where God the Father chooses those whom He will save. God chooses some for salvation while passing over others is a distinction that Reformed/Calvinists hold to (which I disagree with). Those whom the Father chooses, he gives to Jesus for salvation. The Father bypasses over others and thus they are not saved. V.8 further states that all including Judas rec'd the words, understood and believed that Jesus was sent by the Father. V.9 states "they are yours" which is never descriptive of unbelievers. V.10 states Jesus is "glorified in them" - again never descriptive of unbelievers. "Keep them in your name" in v.11 can only apply to believers. V.12 states that Jesus himself was "keeping them in Your name" but despite that, Judas still perished by his choice to disobey and betray the Savior.

Click to expand...

I think you are conflating vessels of wrath with the elect in Christ. I do believe you misrepresent Reformed doctrine on this matter.

redleghunter said:

I think you are conflating vessels of wrath with the elect in Christ. I do believe you misrepresent Reformed doctrine on this matter.

Click to expand...

redleghunter said:

There was an exception to Judas. Mentioned it twice. Judas being a disciple had to do with the Scriptures being fulfilled. Jesus said it and so did Peter in Acts 1.

Click to expand...

Don't know what you mean.

redleghunter said:

I think you are conflating vessels of wrath with the elect in Christ. I do believe you misrepresent Reformed doctrine on this matter.

Click to expand...

The elect are subject to wrath if one sins habitually which is the evidence of a non-repentant believer. If you believe I misrepresent Reformed doctrine, state how so rather than giving your general opinion without any specifics.

Zachm531 said:

Eph 2:8-9 we are saved by Grace through faith NOT OF WORKS.

The Bible never says to repent of your sins. It says multiple times to repent and turn to God, but never repent of your sins.

If i'm saved by faith and continue in sin am i still saved? If you say "yes", then you are labeled as an easy believest and are disregarding scriptures like 1 Corinthians 6:9-11 and Revelation 21:8 and Matthew 7:21-23

BUT

If you say "no" then you are saying that it takes faith and works to be saved which is completely unbiblical: Galatians 5:4 Ephesians 2:8-9 Romans 3:28

I propose that salvation can only be obtained when grace is given to you. FOR BY GRACE are we saved through faith. Once God gives you grace, you believe and you turn from your sins. Once one has received grace, they no longer want to sin, they want to obey God. Grace is overlooked in the Bible but you cant have faith or works without grace. Ephesians 2:10 2 Corinthians 12:9 Romans 6:14 Romans 11:6 Hebrews 4:16

Click to expand...

You're right, you're saved by grace, you live in faith.
But does that mean you shouldn't repent from sin?
Sin are actions and thoughts that God hates, they're actions against His will.
Through your faith you say you love Christ, you love God. When you love someone, do you want to do things that disappoint them and that they disapprove of? Obeying the commandments isn't necessary for salvation, God still loves sinners and sent His Son to atone for them and to save sinners by His death and resurrection. You will still go into His presence...
But why disappoint Him while you're here? 1 John 5:2-3
Now we're not perfect, we're going to mess up, and that's why we need Christ to atone for us. But don't use it as a license for sin.

Oldmantook said:

Don't know what you mean.

Click to expand...

Judas was chosen to fulfill the Scriptures.

Oldmantook said:

The elect are subject to wrath if one sins habitually which is the evidence of a non-repentant believer. If

Click to expand...

The Bible says nothing about the elect are subject to wrath.

A non-repentant believer is an oxymoron.

Oldmantook said:

If you believe I misrepresent Reformed doctrine, state how so rather than giving your general opinion without any specifics.

Click to expand...

Want me to do your homework?


Let’s make a deal. You keep writing what you think Reformed doctrine is and I will make the necessary corrections. Deal?

redleghunter said:

You see the manuscripts as divinely inspired or the Autographs?

Click to expand...

I see the written words as divinely inspired but that does not mean that God does not have a reverence for the manuscripts or the paper along with the words as being special on certain occasions. For example: Men have been shot and the Bible stopped the bullet many times. The Bible survived fires while everything else burned.

In the original Greek: We know that the genealogy of Matthew has a pattern of the number 7 within it.

1. 28 words begin with a vowel – divisible by seven.
2. 21 words begin with a consonant – divisible by seven.
3. 42 words end with a consonant – divisible by seven.
4. Seven words end with a vowel.
5. There are 266 letters – divisible by seven.
6. 140 letters are vowels – divisible by seven.
7. 126 letters are consonants – divisible by seven.
8. 35 words occur more than once in the passage – divisible by seven.
9. 14 words occur once only – divisible by seven.
10. 42 words are nouns – divisible by seven.
11. 35 words are proper names – divisible by seven.
12. 28 are male ancestors – divisible by seven.

Source:
Numeric patterns in the original Hebrew and Greek in the Bible

In the King James Bible: We learn that the number 7 also has an amazing mind blowing pattern that is not present in the Modern Translations.

jahel said:

The thread is about repentance but includes justification, sanctification, glorification, redemption and osas Guess rewards should be an acceptable topic also then.
WRONG all of you!!!!

Click to expand...

The gift of God is eternal life. Why do I want more than "all spiritual blessings in heavenly places?"

Ephesians 1:3
Blessed be the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ, who hath blessed us with all spiritual blessings in heavenly places in Christ:

1 Corinthians 15
10 But by the grace of God I am what I am: and his grace which was bestowed upon me was not in vain; but I laboured more abundantly than they all: yet not I, but the grace of God which was with me.

Luke 17
9 Doth he thank that servant because he did the things that were commanded him? I trow not. 10 So likewise ye, when ye shall have done all those things which are commanded you, say, We are unprofitable servants: we have done that which was our duty to do.


Can we earn blessings?
The only thing we earn is death. Our blessings come from God's grace.

Zachm531 said:

Eph 2:8-9 we are saved by Grace through faith NOT OF WORKS.

The Bible never says to repent of your sins. It says multiple times to repent and turn to God, but never repent of your sins.

If i'm saved by faith and continue in sin am i still saved? If you say "yes", then you are labeled as an easy believest and are disregarding scriptures like 1 Corinthians 6:9-11 and Revelation 21:8 and Matthew 7:21-23

BUT

If you say "no" then you are saying that it takes faith and works to be saved which is completely unbiblical: Galatians 5:4 Ephesians 2:8-9 Romans 3:28

I propose that salvation can only be obtained when grace is given to you. FOR BY GRACE are we saved through faith. Once God gives you grace, you believe and you turn from your sins. Once one has received grace, they no longer want to sin, they want to obey God. Grace is overlooked in the Bible but you cant have faith or works without grace. Ephesians 2:10 2 Corinthians 12:9 Romans 6:14 Romans 11:6 Hebrews 4:16

Click to expand...

Perhaps you would want to also spend some time in Psalms, or perhaps Proverbs also? I'm not going to dig it out for you. The principle is that we first feel contriteness and then repentance. All is forgiven after that.