The God of the Bible

ViaCrucis · Dec 26, 2019

brinny said:
The living God has NEVER EVER called Himself by a generic, one of the groups of false gods that has been so prevalent and is the same as idol worship and worshiping false gods.

Multiple times the Bible uses the word אֱלוֹהַּ (Eloah) for God. This is the Hebrew cognate with Aramaic Aloha and Arabic Allah. It is the singular, generic word meaning "god", and it can be used to refer to God, as in the following places

וַיִּשְׁמַן יְשֻׁרוּן וַיִּבְעָט שָׁמַנְתָּ עָבִיתָ כָּשִׂיתָ וַיִּטֹּשׁ אֱלֹוהַ עָשָׂהוּ וַיְנַבֵּל צוּר יְשֻׁעָתֹֽו׃
- Deuteronomy 32:15

הַיֹּום הַהוּא יְֽהִי חֹשֶׁךְ אַֽל־יִדְרְשֵׁהוּ אֱלֹוהַּ מִמָּעַל וְאַל־תֹּופַע עָלָיו נְהָרָֽה׃
- Job 3:4

As well as refer to pagan gods, as here,

אָז חָלַף רוּחַ וַֽיַּעֲבֹר וְאָשֵׁם זוּ כֹחֹו לֵאלֹהֹֽו׃
- Habakkuk 1:11

The plural of Eloah is Elohim, which is one of the most common words in the Hebrew of the Old Testament for God, for example,

בְּרֵאשִׁית בָּרָא אֱלֹהִים אֵת הַשָּׁמַיִם וְאֵת הָאָֽרֶץ׃
- Genesis 1:1

-CryptoLutheran

Andrewn · Dec 26, 2019

Yarddog said:
Then you say the Jews and the Muslims are the same in this, though the Muslims at least recognize Jesus as a prophet of God.

KarateCowboy said:
If I speak of Islam and Muslims the way Muhammed spoke of Christianity and Jews people call me a bigot

Jews call Jesus son of a harlot and the Talmud refers to Him as "Yeshua ben Pantera."

Jesus In The Talmud

https://www.erudit.org/fr/revues/ltp/2012-v68-n3-ltp0550/1015256ar.pdf

“Son of an Israelite Woman and an Egyptian Man”—Jesus as the Blasphemer (Lev 24:10–23): An Anti-Gospel Polemic in the Zohar *

Ben Hartman on Twitter

~Talmud Unmasked~ The Life of Christ/The Christian Cross.

All4Christ · Dec 26, 2019

brinny said:
Names (and their meanings) have profound significance, especially to the living God of the Bible. He shares His Name nor His glory with NONE. He emphasizes this repeatedly in His Word, and in the Ten Commandments given to Moses.

Here are some excerpts from the following linked article that explores this very thing in great detail:

Excerpt:
It should be very interesting to observe that there are names and titles of the God of the Bible that Allah does not, will not, and cannot bare. This would not be so were he the very same entity, with the same attributes. Everyone has the freedom to choose to serve or reject any of the gods, or the Lord God. But, usually good choices depend on having accurate and thorough information to help one decides.

Excerpt:
The God of the Bible is named with titles that cannot be found among the names of Allah. They are “The Lamb of God”, “The Son of God”, “The Father”, “The Song of Songs”, “The Lord that Healeth”, “The God of Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob”, “The Resurrection”, and “The Holy One of Israel”. “The Lamb of God” is a title that can only be worn by the one who was sacrificed on the spiritual altar at Calvary for the remission of man’s sins. This is a foreign concept with Allah. The title of “Son of God” can only be borne by the God-man who had no earthly father, but was fathered by God Himself and placed in the womb of a virgin. Again, this truth is repugnant to Allah.

Excerpt:
Finally, the God of the Bible strongly and publicly associates Himself with the nation of Israel. It does not require much knowledge of Islam to know that Allah, by no means, sees Israel as the “apple of his eye”.

Link to article:
-Is “Allah” Truly The Arabic Word For God?

Allah as known by the Muslims is different than Allah as known by Arab Christians. They just happen to both be considered “The God” by Muslims and Christians, causing them to use the same word. It literally means “The God” - Al Illah shortened into one word. You are arguing that Allah as known by Muslims cannot be the same God we worship. I am not saying that Allah as known by Muslims is the same God. However, Allah as known by Arab Christians does bear those names, as He is the same God we worship. It just so happens that the term used in the Arab language used by both Muslims and Christians to is the definitive noun meaning God.

ETA: Allah is the equivalent in language to “God”, “Eloah”, “Theos”, “Boze”, “Dio”, “Dieu”, etc. All of these terms mean God, using the definitive noun. It is the same as you and me using the English word God to mean the One True God that we worship.

Eloy Craft · Dec 26, 2019

brinny said:
There is one gaping chasm-like missing Piece here. And that is Jesus Christ, the only begotten Son of the living God. To not shed Light on this pivotal Piece is leaving others in darkness.

God's Word makes this clear, that the sin of "omission", especially regarding leaving Jesus Christ "out" of it, etc. is a sin, as it is leaving others in their darkness and making no effort to shine His Light into the darkest of places, which is akin, as it is written, like "hiding His Light under a bowl, as if we're ashamed of it.

It is written that those who are ashamed of Him, He will be likewise about us to the Father.

Romans 1
9 For what can be known about God is plain to them, because God has shown it to them. 20 Ever since the creation of the world his eternal power and divine nature, invisible though they are, have been understood and seen through the things he has made. So they are without excuse; 21 for though they knew God, they did not honor him as God or give thanks to him,

Paul is writing about the revelation of God through His creation. God is evident in the things He has made. If this universal natural revelation of God were not the same God divinely revealed by Christ and His Church then the people Paul is referencing would not be guilty of a sin against God.

The nature of the true God can be understood through natural reason albeit not as ell understood as revealed by the Gospel.

brinny · Dec 26, 2019

mindlight said:
Yes The Christian understanding of God articulates a richer, deeper and more diverse library of names for God than the name Allah allows for.

No that a Muslim who is calling on Allah for something in prayer is not heard by the same God. There is only One Creator, only One Sovereign Lord and only One Judge.

The alternative here is to suggest that Allah is Satan but Satan did not create the universe, is not Sovereign and is not the Judge

See post #106.

brinny · Dec 26, 2019

All4Christ said:
Allah as known by the Muslims is different than Allah as known by Arab Christians. They just happen to both be considered “The God” by Muslims and Christians, causing them to use the same word. It literally means “The God” - Al Illah shortened into one word. You are arguing that Allah as known by Muslims cannot be the same God we worship. I am not saying that Allah as known by Muslims is the same God. However, Allah as known by Arab Christians does bear those names, as He is the same God we worship. It just so happens that the term used in the Arab language used by both Muslims and Christians to is the definitive noun meaning God.

ETA: Allah is the equivalent in language to “God”, “Eloah”, “Theos”, “Boze”, “Dio”, “Dieu”, etc. All of these terms mean God, using the definitive noun. It is the same as you and me using the English word God to mean the One True God that we worship.

Post #106 addresses this.

In addition, calling the God of the Bible a "generic" name meaning "god", any god at all, where even a cow can be an "allah" is the epitome of blasphemy, when He has already GIVEN His name, which can be stated in any language, just like our own names can. My name is the same ANYWHERE in the world.

brinny · Dec 26, 2019

Andrewn said:
No one asked you to believe me without checking the web for evidence. But since you don't want to check yourselves, here it is:

Allah

Allah - Wikipedia

What word did Jesus use for God in Aramaic?

"GOD" in Arabic and Aramaic sound the same

Is ‘Allah’ God?

So many guys on the internet talking, not just one guy . But some people would rather write than read. You're free to believe what you want, of course.

See post #106.

Andrewn · Dec 26, 2019

brinny said:
In addition, calling the God of the Bible a "generic" name meaning "god", any god at all, where even a cow can be an "allah" is the epitome of blasphemy,

You'll probably not understand why I quote this. But here you go:

1) Elohim:

The KJV translates Strong's H430 in the following manner: God (2,346x), god (244x), judge (5x), GOD (1x), goddess (2x), great (2x), mighty (2x), angels (1x), exceeding (1x), God-ward (with H4136) (1x), godly (1x).

2) Eloah:

The KJV translates Strong's H433 in the following manner: God (52x), god (5x).

3) Theos:

The KJV translates Strong's G2316 in the following manner: God (1,320x), god (13x), godly (3x), God-ward (with G4214) (2x), miscellaneous (5x).

brinny · Dec 26, 2019

Andrewn said:
You'll probably not understand why I quote this. But here you go:

1) Elohim:

The KJV translates Strong's H430 in the following manner: God (2,346x), god (244x), judge (5x), GOD (1x), goddess (2x), great (2x), mighty (2x), angels (1x), exceeding (1x), God-ward (with H4136) (1x), godly (1x).

2) Eloah:

The KJV translates Strong's H433 in the following manner: God (52x), god (5x).

3) Theos:

The KJV translates Strong's G2316 in the following manner: God (1,320x), god (13x), godly (3x), God-ward (with G4214) (2x), miscellaneous (5x).

What has what you posted got to do with my post that you quoted?

brinny · Dec 26, 2019

All4Christ said:
Allah as known by the Muslims is different than Allah as known by Arab Christians. They just happen to both be considered “The God” by Muslims and Christians, causing them to use the same word. It literally means “The God” - Al Illah shortened into one word. You are arguing that Allah as known by Muslims cannot be the same God we worship. I am not saying that Allah as known by Muslims is the same God. However, Allah as known by Arab Christians does bear those names, as He is the same God we worship. It just so happens that the term used in the Arab language used by both Muslims and Christians to is the definitive noun meaning God.

ETA: Allah is the equivalent in language to “God”, “Eloah”, “Theos”, “Boze”, “Dio”, “Dieu”, etc. All of these terms mean God, using the definitive noun. It is the same as you and me using the English word God to mean the One True God that we worship.

Post #106 refutes it, as does God's Word. The living God never called Himself "the god" or allowed being or called a "generic", one of the "many gods" that He has repeatedly warned against, throughout His Word.

This video summarizes "Who" He is, according to HIM.

He is also a "jealous" God and will share His Name nor His glory with ANY other.

Praying.

Let it rain.

Andrewn · Dec 26, 2019

brinny said:
What has what you posted got to do with my post that you quoted?

In message #128, I posted names of God in the Bible to show that they were sometimes used for false gods. They were occasionally translated into god with a small "g."

I read the article you referred to in post #106. This article proves that Islamic understanding of Allah is deficient.

It does _not_ even attempt to prove that Allah is _not_ God.

brinny · Dec 26, 2019

Eloy Craft said:
Romans 1
9 For what can be known about God is plain to them, because God has shown it to them. 20 Ever since the creation of the world his eternal power and divine nature, invisible though they are, have been understood and seen through the things he has made. So they are without excuse; 21 for though they knew God, they did not honor him as God or give thanks to him,

Paul is writing about the revelation of God through His creation. God is evident in the things He has made. If this universal natural revelation of God were not the same God divinely revealed by Christ and His Church then the people Paul is referencing would not be guilty of a sin against God.

The nature of the true God can be understood through natural reason albeit not as ell understood as revealed by the Gospel.

It is written that those who seek the living God WILL find Him. The beginning of it, however, is the evidence that He Himself has placed all around, as the verse says about the "heavens" declaring and giving evidence of His handiwork. This does not mean that His Word is not necessary. On the contrary, it means that His Word will be given to them, and once the Truth is confirmed IN His Word, as God reveals Himself further, and His Holy Spirit works in their heart, mind, and soul.

This is why it is written that there is no excuse in denying His existence, because it is right there in His creation.

The ONLY "WAY" to the Father is through Jesus Christ. And this is done through scripture via His Word.

Nowhere in His Word does it say that His Word is "unnecessary".

brinny · Dec 26, 2019

Andrewn said:
In message #128, I posted names of God in the Bible to show that they were sometimes used for false gods. They were occasionally translated into god with a small "g."

I read the article you referred to in post #106. This article proves that Islamic understanding of Allah is deficient.

It does _not_ even attempt to prove that Allah is _not_ God.

It does _not_ even attempt to prove that Allah is _not_ God.

Sure it does. In detail.

In particular how allah is the antithesis of the living God, the God of Israel.

In addition, this allah died for no one, and this allah denies the deity of Jesus Christ.

How insulting to "mesh" the living God's Name with an allah, regardless of how "innocent" it is said to be.

The living God has precedence over His own Name and the use of it, or the "sticking" a "generic" name on Him, which trivializes Him and is most disrespectful.

Let it rain.

Praying.

ViaCrucis · Dec 26, 2019

brinny said:
The living God never called Himself "the god"

Yes. Yes He did. It's right there in the Bible. Literally thousands of times.

Strong's Hebrew: 433. אֱל֫וֹהַּ, (eloah) -- 60 Occurrences

Strong's Hebrew: 430. אֱלֹהִים (elohim) -- 2598 Occurrences

Strong's Hebrew: 410. אֵל (el) -- 248 Occurrences

Strong's Greek: 2316. θεός (theos) -- 1327 Occurrences

-CryptoLutheran

brinny · Dec 26, 2019

ViaCrucis said:
Yes. Yes He did. It's right there in the Bible. Literally thousands of times.

Strong's Hebrew: 433. אֱל֫וֹהַּ, (eloah) -- 60 Occurrences

Strong's Hebrew: 430. אֱלֹהִים (elohim) -- 2598 Occurrences

Strong's Hebrew: 410. אֵל (el) -- 248 Occurrences

Strong's Greek: 2316. θεός (theos) -- 1327 Occurrences

-CryptoLutheran

The living God called Himself a "generic god", as in blending in with the myriads of all the gods that He abhorred and forbid His people to worship or give recognition to?

In addition, see post #133.

ViaCrucis · Dec 26, 2019

brinny said:
The living God called Himself a "generic god", as in blending in with the myriads of all the gods that He abhorred and forbid His people to worship or give recognition to?

In addition, see post #133.

He uses the same words used to describe those false gods, yes. And you yourself are using a generic term every time you refer to Him as "God".

-CryptoLutheran

brinny · Dec 26, 2019

ViaCrucis said:
He uses the same words used to describe those false gods, yes. And you yourself are using a generic term every time you refer to Him as "God".

-CryptoLutheran

The capital "G" is there for a reason.

Yes?

Didn't Jesus, on the cross, say "My God, My God, why hast Thou forsaken Me?" Who was He referring to? Is there any mistaking WHO HE was referring to?

ViaCrucis · Dec 26, 2019

brinny said:
The capital "G" is there for a reason.

Yes?

Didn't Jesus, on the cross, say "My God, My God, why hast Thou forsaken Me?" Who was He referring to? Is there any mistaking WHO HE was referring to?

He said eloi eloi lama sebachthani, actually.

And more specifically the Aramaic word would be אלהי (elohe).

-CryptoLutheran

brinny · Dec 26, 2019

ViaCrucis said:
He said Eloi Eloi lama sebachthani, actually.

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And WHO was He referring to?

ViaCrucis · Dec 26, 2019

brinny said:
And WHO was He referring to?

The same One who is being referred to here:

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