Futurist Only Brexit, the EU, the little horn

Revealing Times · Dec 25, 2019

fwGod said:
I believe that Daniel and the apostle John did an excellent job of Bible prophecy which cannot be improved upon by you adding numerology.

I have been preaching 30 years, I don't do Numerology, and don't appreciate you suggesting I am in to devil worship.

The number 10 in the bible is used many times for COMPLETENESS, if you don't know that, then that's on you. Any bible guy knows this is the case.

fwGod · Dec 25, 2019

Revealing Times said:
I have been preaching 30 years, I don't do Numerology, and don't appreciate you suggesting I am in to devil worship.

The matter of giving meanings to numbers is numerology. It has nothing to do with devil worship. Since you say that you are a teacher, I'm surprised that you didn't know what you are doing.

Revealing Times said:
The number 10 in the bible is used many times for COMPLETENESS, if you don't know that, then that's on you. Any bible guy knows this is the case.

Any of the Bible guys would also know that assigning meanings to numbers is not devil worship. So it is on you that you thought it was.
I shouldn't have to tell you this, but do a search on "Biblical numerology"

Marilyn C · Dec 26, 2019

Douggg said:
Has anyone here been watching the brexit news lately? Britain is supposed to leave the EU by Oct 31, deal or no deal, after multiple extensions past the original deadline. But there has been high drama building because Boris Johnson the PM has been trying to work out a deal with the EU, which is actually more of a treaty, than leave deal, that would trap Britain under the EU governement, with no say to the rules.

This Saturday, House of Commons parliament is supposed to debate the deal. If it is rejected (likely imo), then Boris is in theory supposed to ask for yet another extension according to some act the re-mainer members of parliament connected.

Boris has committed himself to leaving by Oct 31 no matter what So it is hard to say what is going to happen.

Somewhere along the line the EU is going reorganize to have the ten leader form of government over which will be the little horn. Personally, I think it is heading that direction right now.

Hi Douggg,

Here is an interesting scripture.

`And He (God) has made from one blood every nation of men to dwell on all the face of the earth, and has determined their PREAPPOINTED TIMES and the BAOUNDARIES of their dwellings,...` (Acts 17: 26)

Thus we see that Britain cannot come under the Political control of Europe. They connect economically but not Politically. And the EU is about to appoint their President.

As to the `little horn,` well God`s word calls him the Assyrian, the King of the North, (not far north as in Russia). And that region is `Iraq, Syria and Jordan.` These 3 will come under the sway of the peace negotiator, (little horn) very soon.

Then halfway through the trib, 7 more Islamic nations (GCC Gulf Cooperation Council) join and the 10 king Federation is complete.

Marilyn.

Douggg · Dec 26, 2019

Marilyn C said:
Hi Douggg,

Here is an interesting scripture.

`And He (God) has made from one blood every nation of men to dwell on all the face of the earth, and has determined their PREAPPOINTED TIMES and the BAOUNDARIES of their dwellings,...` (Acts 17: 26)

Thus we see that Britain cannot come under the Political control of Europe. They connect economically but not Politically. And the EU is about to appoint their President.

As to the `little horn,` well God`s word calls him the Assyrian, the King of the North, (not far north as in Russia). And that region is `Iraq, Syria and Jordan.` These 3 will come under the sway of the peace negotiator, (little horn) very soon.

Then halfway through the trib, 7 more Islamic nations (GCC Gulf Cooperation Council) join and the 10 king Federation is complete.

Marilyn.

Marilyn, I am thinking the ten kings have to be in place before Gog/Magog begins. And at the time of the Gog/Magog event, immediately following, the little horn person (the prince who shall come - from the EU to the middle east) will head south and east into the middle east, to act as peace keeper in the region (to get control of all the oil).

My comments in blue.

Daniel 8:23 And in the latter time of their kingdom [the kingdom of the transgressors to be], when the transgressors are come to the full [the ten kings in place] , a king of fierce countenance, and understanding dark sentences, shall stand up.

keras · Dec 26, 2019

If the sequence of events as given in Revelation is followed, then understanding of God's Plan for the end times should follow.
The proviso is; put aside all preconceived ideas and false beliefs.

Revelation does, of course; have some flashbacks and further details later. The Sixth Seal is also desribed in Revelation 14:18-21 and Revelation 18:1-24.

But for most, to change their beliefs about what will happen, is impossible. This is how God wants it; people will be shocked and terrified as the Lord sends His fiery wrath.
Isaiah 35:3-5...... THEN the eyes of the blinded will be opened and the ears of the deaf unstopped. Only after this next event, will understanding be given to all who have chosen to believe teachings that have no scriptural support.

Marilyn C · Dec 26, 2019

Douggg said:
Marilyn, I am thinking the ten kings have to be in place before Gog/Magog begins. And at the time of the Gog/Magog event, immediately following, the little horn person (the prince who shall come - from the EU to the middle east) will head south and east into the middle east, to act as peace keeper in the region (to get control of all the oil).

My comments in blue.

Daniel 8:23 And in the latter time of their kingdom [the kingdom of the transgressors to be], when the transgressors are come to the full [the ten kings in place] , a king of fierce countenance, and understanding dark sentences, shall stand up.

Hi Douggg,

I can see no scriptures referring to the A/C as coming from the EU (or RRE), can you?

As to the 10 kings, they do not receive authority with the A/C till half way through the trib.

`The 10 horns which you saw are 10 kings who have received no kingdom as yet, but they receive authority for one hour as kings with the beast.`(Rev.17: 12)

Marilyn.

Douggg · Dec 27, 2019

Marilyn C said:
Hi Douggg,

I can see no scriptures referring to the A/C as coming from the EU (or RRE), can you?

As to the 10 kings, they do not receive authority with the A/C till half way through the trib.

`The 10 horns which you saw are 10 kings who have received no kingdom as yet, but they receive authority for one hour as kings with the beast.`(Rev.17: 12)

Marilyn.

Hi Marilyn,

12 And the ten horns which thou sawest are ten kings, which have received no kingdom as yet [back in the first century]; but receive power as kings one hour with the beast.

The ten kings don't receive their kingdom till the end times, as in Daniel 7. And they don't get as much power as they will, until the person has become the beast, when they hand over their kingdom to him to be dictator. The one hour (the 42 months), to rule with him.

In Daniel 8:9, the little horn person heads south and east, waxing strong from that direction, toward Israel. I am interpreting waxing as him having a strong army. That would put him coming with his strong army, imo, from Greece - as he also has to come from the territory of one of the beak up kingdoms of Alexander.

Greece is the eastern most frontier of the EU. Heading toward Israel with his strong army, I am interpreting as him being the prince who shall come, into the middle east, and be of pertinent impact on Israel, of Daniel 9:26, coming from the people who destroyed the temple and city.

The ten kings come from the fourth empire in both Daniel 2 and Daniel 7. And in Revelation 17:10, the 7 kings are all connected, with the sixth ruling at the time of John, from what is now in the EU, and at that time from Rome.

At the time of Jesus's first coming, the Romans occupied Israel, and a Roman King, Caesar Augustus, is mentioned in the text by name, in Luke 2:1.

So that is corresponding to the Roman Empire fourth kingdom, which expanded out of Rome, in what is now Europe.
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The Antichrist role though is to be the King of Israel (unapproved by God) for awhile, not the King of the Roman Empire in the end times. Which also indicates the person has to be a Jew.

So it necessary to separate when the person is in the role of being the King of the Roman Empire in the end times along with the ten kings of that fourth kingdom - and him being the Antichrist - deceptive King of Israel, "coming" in his own name.

little horn - King of the Roman Empire end times, emerging among ten kings of that kingdom. The 7th Caesar family king of the Roman Empire, the one who is still yet to come in Revelation 17:10, and when he comes must continue the short space of 42 months as the beast, 8th Caesar family king of the Roman Empire.

Prince who shall come (little horn, waxing strong toward Israel)

Antichrist - after he comes into the middle east, following Gog/Magog, he is perceived by the Jews as the messiah, and anointed the King of Israel, for awhile. Confirms the Mt. Sinai covenant for the 7 year interval, required by Moses of all future leaders of Israel, Deuteronomy 31:9-13.

Revealed as the man of sin - ends his time as the Antichrist. God has him killed, which he dies a type of being "cutoff" prescribed for the uncircumcised, Ezekiel 28:10 (because he violates the covenant, by claiming to be God).

There is some background about anyone of Abraham's seed that are not circumcised are to be cutoff from the rest of the people, Genesis 17:14. And in Exodus 4:24-26, when Moses failed to circumcise his son by Zipporah, the Lord sought to kill "him". Zipporah did the deed to spare either Moses or the son, it is not clear which the "him" refers to.

Anyway, the point being is that revealed man of sin, a Jew, will be cutoff from the Jews, no longer their King of Israel, because of him claiming to be God - transgressing the covenant.

Beast - after God has the person, formerly the Antichrist, revealed as the man of sin killed, the person finds his soul in hell in Isaiah 14:18-20, and is mocked.

God in disdain for the person, likened as an abominable branch, a comparison to Jesus the righteous branch, because the person destroys his land and his people - as he will have been convinced by Satan that he has achieved God-hood and has become God - brings the person back to life - as the beast of Revelation 13, the eighth Caesar family king of the Roman Empire. As the ten kings will all buy into his claim of having achieved God-hood and hand their kingdom over to him, to be dictator.

Marilyn C · Dec 27, 2019

Douggg said:
Hi Marilyn,

12 And the ten horns which thou sawest are ten kings, which have received no kingdom as yet [back in the first century]; but receive power as kings one hour with the beast.

Hi Douggg,

Thank you for laying out your view. Too much to discuss all at once, so I`ll just do a bit.

It seems you are talking about 10 kings from the Roman Empire which God goes on to judge, as He does with every Gentile World Rulership.

Then you talk about those 10 kings in the tribulation. Doesn`t quite make sense. Can you explain a bit more, thanks.

Marilyn.

Douggg · Dec 27, 2019

Marilyn C said:
Hi Douggg,

Thank you for laying out your view. Too much to discuss all at once, so I`ll just do a bit.

It seems you are talking about 10 kings from the Roman Empire which God goes on to judge, as He does with every Gentile World Rulership.

Then you talk about those 10 kings in the tribulation. Doesn`t quite make sense. Can you explain a bit more, thanks.

Marilyn.

Hi Marilyn,

My view is that the ten kings come to power before the 7 years begin (I don't call it the tribulation). I don't know how far before the 7 years begin the ten kings come to power. [imo, we are looking at sometime in the next ten years window, based up the parable of the fig tree - but it appears as the way things are shaping up, closer than farther].

The 7 years themselves are the 7 years following Gog/Magog, and correspond to the 7 years in Daniel 9:27.

Their (the ten king kingdom) kingdom is the fourth kingdom of Daniel 2 and Daniel 7.

Near the end of "their" kingdom, it indicates in Daniel 8:23, a king of fierce countenance comes to power, who's look is more stout than the other ten kings, it says in Daniel 7:20.

So, in my interpretation, the EU having it roots in the Treaty of Rome in 1957, has been evolving ever since. We are not yet at the stage where the ten kings are distinguishable. But I think we are near. Which I think comes in some way associated with brexit.... we will see if that is the case. (Which is why I started this thread).

The little horn person will be the leader of that ten leader pact, which I don't think has to necessarily mean ten nations of the EU, but a council of ten leaders (perhaps). Once that is in place, the ten leaders recognizable, and the leader over them, with the stout look (and being a Jew) settled in, then in the middle east Gog/Magog (a separate group of nations from the EU) of Russia/Muslim nations, will attack Israel. God destroys the attackers.

Then in the wake of Gog/Magog, Israel will think the little horn person is the messiah, and takes him to be their king. Which he betrays them, is killed, is brought back to life, and is worshiped by the world as the beast - during the great tribulation, during which time the ten kings give their kingdom (the EU) over to him to be dictator for the final 42 months of the 7 years.

[Being the Antichrist is only for that interval when Israel thinks he is the messiah, and he is taken as their king. That's futher down the road after Gog/Maog.]

What we are looking at right now is the emergence of the ten kings (whatever form that might take) and the little horn. Brexit may or may not be a factor, we'll see, the Lord willing.

Marilyn C · Dec 28, 2019

Douggg said:
Hi Marilyn,

My view is that the ten kings come to power before the 7 years begin (I don't call it the tribulation). I don't know how far before the 7 years begin the ten kings come to power. [imo, we are looking at sometime in the next ten years window, based up the parable of the fig tree - but it appears as the way things are shaping up, closer than farther].

The 7 years themselves are the 7 years following Gog/Magog, and correspond to the 7 years in Daniel 9:27.

Their (the ten king kingdom) kingdom is the fourth kingdom of Daniel 2 and Daniel 7.

Near the end of "their" kingdom, it indicates in Daniel 8:23, a king of fierce countenance comes to power, who's look is more stout than the other ten kings, it says in Daniel 7:20.

So, in my interpretation, the EU having it roots in the Treaty of Rome in 1957, has been evolving ever since. We are not yet at the stage where the ten kings are distinguishable. But I think we are near. Which I think comes in some way associated with brexit.... we will see if that is the case. (Which is why I started this thread).

The little horn person will be the leader of that ten leader pact, which I don't think has to necessarily mean ten nations of the EU, but a council of ten leaders (perhaps). Once that is in place, the ten leaders recognizable, and the leader over them, with the stout look (and being a Jew) settled in, then in the middle east Gog/Magog (a separate group of nations from the EU) of Russia/Muslim nations, will attack Israel. God destroys the attackers.

Then in the wake of Gog/Magog, Israel will think the little horn person is the messiah, and takes him to be their king. Which he betrays them, is killed, is brought back to life, and is worshiped by the world as the beast - during the great tribulation, during which time the ten kings give their kingdom (the EU) over to him to be dictator for the final 42 months of the 7 years.

[Being the Antichrist is only for that interval when Israel thinks he is the messiah, and he is taken as their king. That's futher down the road after Gog/Maog.]

What we are looking at right now is the emergence of the ten kings (whatever form that might take) and the little horn. Brexit may or may not be a factor, we'll see, the Lord willing.

Hi Douggg,

I certainly agree with you that the 7 years will start very, very soon.

Ok now I see `the Treaty of Rome.` That just means they signed the treaty in that city. They do that for all their treaties, sign them in different cities. They signed the treaty for the EU President in Lisbon, and thus it is called the treaty of Lisbon.

regards, Marilyn.

Douggg · Dec 28, 2019

Marilyn C said:
Ok now I see `the Treaty of Rome.` That just means they signed the treaty in that city.

That's basically all it means. I don't know why they chose Rome.

Marilyn C · Dec 29, 2019

Hi Douggg,

I thought I`d pick up on this statement you made.

`So it necessary to separate when the person is in the role of being the King of the Roman Empire in the end times along with the ten kings of that fourth kingdom - and him being the Antichrist - deceptive King of Israel, "coming" in his own name.`

The fourth kingdom we know was Rome, and that has been judged of God and is no more. That Roman government is gone. Then we have a final world government represented by the last bit of Daniel`s Great Image, (the feet and toes). And that kingdom is described as `a divided kingdom.` (Dan. 2: 41)

It is also described as `terrifying` and it treads down the other kingdoms around it, (Dan. 7: 7) and it `beheads people` (Rev. 20: 4)

All these descriptions do NOT fit the EU but Islam.

Marilyn.

keras · Dec 29, 2019

Marilyn C said:
All these descriptions do NOT fit the EU but Islam.

The descriptions of the end times world government does not fit either the EU or Islam.
It will be the world divided into ten regions, each ruled by a President. As can be seen by google; Ten world regions.

Douggg · Dec 29, 2019

Marilyn C said:
Hi Douggg,

I thought I`d pick up on this statement you made.

`So it necessary to separate when the person is in the role of being the King of the Roman Empire in the end times along with the ten kings of that fourth kingdom - and him being the Antichrist - deceptive King of Israel, "coming" in his own name.`

The fourth kingdom we know was Rome, and that has been judged of God and is no more. That Roman government is gone. Then we have a final world government represented by the last bit of Daniel`s Great Image, (the feet and toes). And that kingdom is described as `a divided kingdom.` (Dan. 2: 41)

It is also described as `terrifying` and it treads down the other kingdoms around it, (Dan. 7: 7) and it `beheads people` (Rev. 20: 4)

All these descriptions do NOT fit the EU but Islam.

Marilyn.

Well, the ten toed version of the Roman Empire, part weak and part strong, which I think could apply to the EU.

Marilyn C · Dec 30, 2019

keras said:
The descriptions of the end times world government does not fit either the EU or Islam.
It will be the world divided into ten regions, each ruled by a President. As can be seen by google; Ten world regions.

Hi keras,

I think you have forgotten that that 10 king kingdom is judged and done away with. If that was the 10 regions of the world then the world would all be done away with. Makes no sense.

`But the court shall be seated, and they shall take away his dominion, to consume it and destroy it forever.` (Dan. 7: 26)

Marilyn.

Marilyn C · Dec 30, 2019

Douggg said:
Well, the ten toed version of the Roman Empire, part weak and part strong, which I think could apply to the EU.

mmmm waiting.....some details, thank you.

Douggg · Dec 30, 2019

Marilyn C said:
mmmm waiting.....some details, thank you.

The PIGS (Portugal, Italy, Greece, Spain) nations of the EU is an acronym for the nations that are financially weak (the clay). Militarily, I am not sure.

keras · Dec 30, 2019

Marilyn C said:
Hi keras,

I think you have forgotten that that 10 king kingdom is judged and done away with. If that was the 10 regions of the world then the world would all be done away with. Makes no sense.

`But the court shall be seated, and they shall take away his dominion, to consume it and destroy it forever.` (Dan. 7: 26)

Marilyn.

That verse is a prophecy of the Great White Throne Judgment, AFTER the Millennium. Rev 20:11-15

Marilyn C · Dec 30, 2019

Douggg said:
The PIGS (Portugal, Italy, Greece, Spain) nations of the EU is an acronym for the nations that are financially weak (the clay). Militarily, I am not sure.

Thanks Douggg,

I agree those (PIGS) nations in the EU are weak. So how do you see the EU will `break in pieces and crush all the others,` (Dan. 2: 40)?

Marilyn.

Marilyn C · Dec 30, 2019

keras said:
That verse is a prophecy of the Great White Throne Judgment, AFTER the Millennium. Rev 20:11-15

God`s word tells us that the other nations go into the millennium but their dominion is taken away. It is NOT the great white throne judgment where individuals get judged. This judgment in Dan. 7 has to do with nations and the end of the Gentile rulership. Note the Great Image, where the last kingdom and the whole Gentile rulership is done away with. God then sets up His rulership through Israel in the millennium as promised.

Marilyn.

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