The Israeli Ethnic Cleansing of Palestinian Christians that nobody is talking about

dzheremi said:

What exactly is that difference? Zionism is the political movement to establish and defend a sovereign state for the Jewish people in what was thought of by its proponents as the traditional land of the Jewish people.

That state is the modern state of Israel, established in Palestine in 1948.

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Good question. While Scripture does indeed promise the Jewish people a return/establishment of their homeland, the germane issue is: Is present day Israel the result of that promise? Is modern Israel a fulfillment of Bible prophecy? I submit that it is not.

Zionism is man's efforts to establish the Jewish State - not God's. Present day Israel is the result of man's will - not God's will being done. How do we know that?

We know that the tribes of Israel were scattered among the nations because of their disobedience. Yet to this day, Israel remains disobedient to God and does not recognize Jesus Christ/Yeshua as her Messiah. Israel is a secular nation and even the observant Jews among them do not acknowledge Jesus as the Messiah - the Son of God - their Savior. So how could God who scattered the Jews because of their disobedience return the Jews and have established Israel in 1948 in spite of her continued disobedience?

Deut 29:25-28 And the people will answer, ‘It is because they abandoned the covenant of the LORD, the God of their fathers, which He made with them when He brought them out of the land of Egypt. They went and served other gods, and they worshiped gods they had not known—gods that the LORD had not given to them. Therefore the LORD’s anger burned against this land, and He brought upon it every curse written in this book. The LORD uprooted them from their land in His anger, rage, and great wrath, and He cast them into another land, where they are today.’
Exodus 19:5 Now therefore, if you will indeed obey my voice and keep my covenant, you shall be my treasured possession among all peoples, for all the earth is mine;
Jeremiah 4:1 If you will return, O Israel, return to Me,” declares the LORD. “If you will remove your detestable idols from My sight and no longer waver,
Jeremiah 31:36 “If those ordinances depart From before Me, says the LORD, Then the seed of Israel shall also cease From being a nation before Me forever.”
Isaiah 1:19 If you are willing and obedient, you shall eat the good of the land;
Ezekiel 37:21-28 you are to tell them that this is what the Lord GOD says: ‘I will take the Israelites out of the nations to which they have gone, and I will gather them from all around and bring them into their own land. I will make them one nation in the land, on the mountains of Israel, and one king will rule over all of them. Then they will no longer be two nations and will never again be divided into two kingdoms. They will no longer defile themselves with their idols or detestable images, or with any of their transgressions. I will save them from all their apostasies by which they sinned, and I will cleanse them. Then they will be My people, and I will be their God. My servant David will be king over them, and there will be one shepherd for all of them. They will follow My ordinances and keep and observe My statutes. They will live in the land that I gave to My servant Jacob, where your fathers lived. They will live there forever with their children and grandchildren, and My servant David will be their prince forever. And I will make a covenant of peace with them; it will be an everlasting covenant. I will establish them and multiply them, and I will set My sanctuary among them forever. My dwelling place will be with them; I will be their God, and they will be My people. Then the nations will know that I the LORD sanctify Israel, when My sanctuary is among them forever.’”

God's promise to the Jews of a homeland is and always has been conditional - based upon their continued obedience. Does this reflect the spiritual state of Israel today? Hardly. Therefore Zionism is by man's efforts - both politically and militarily - not to be confused with God's will, done according to His timing alone.

Gracia Singh said:

I have noticed that Christians tend to get politicized in this debate.

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Yes, we were never called to be pro-this or that nation, but pro-neighbors.

thecolorsblend said:

Israelis also mistreat Christians but a lot of Christians refuse to acknowledge Israel's poor treatment of everybody who isn't Israeli.

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I agree. To love your neighbor as yourself is a commandment in the Torah (Leviticus 19:18).

JackRT said:

So are we willing to overlook the ethnic cleansing of Palestinian Muslims? That has been going on for about 70 years.

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I am not willing to overlook that either. Palestinian Christians are our brothers and sisters in Christ. But Palestinian Muslims are our neighbors, whom we are called to love as ourselves (Luke 10:36-37). We should be concerned about any nationality of people who are oppressed: 60 Bible verses about Oppression, God's Attitude To

ArmenianJohn said:

Do they? Where did you get this idea?

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Open Doors, other Christian publications, occasionally the secular press.

Lucian Celestine said:

I have a video I made of the subject matter (not on Palestinian Christians but Palestinians in general) sadly I can not link the video here and its been taken down from youtube for 'graphic content' and it makes sense, as it does depict a lot of violence...

I do have a non-graphic version of it that I made though which you can find here.

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There is a great deal of ignorance anti Israel bias in the press and elsewhere. I'm no fan of Judaism. A lot of Jews would cheerfully crucify the Lord Jesus again. However, Israel is a legitimate nation that had to fight for existence, literally from day one. The Palestinians have only themselves to blame for their for their plight. How would you respond if Mexico spent the last 70 years attempting to destroy the USA?

Aussie Pete said:

There is a great deal of ignorance anti Israel bias in the press and elsewhere. I'm no fan of Judaism. A lot of Jews would cheerfully crucify the Lord Jesus again. However, Israel is a legitimate nation that had to fight for existence, literally from day one. The Palestinians have only themselves to blame for their for their plight. How would you respond if Mexico spent the last 70 years attempting to destroy the USA?

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You speak on matters you know very little of, Israel has had a lot to contend with that is true, and the Jews have had a very long history of being persecuted by Christians. However their history particularly that of the Holocaust has created a prejudice in the state of Israel, like how many African Americans remember how their ancestors were enslaved and persecuted for the color of their skin. Many Jews feel that the world is out to get them even those not living in Israel, and again this is due to how they were persecuted for thousands of years for their religion.

The Middle East as a whole is an area in need of healing, but to say that the Palestinians who were the victims of Al-Nakba (a genocide) when Israel 'had to fight from day one' have been trying to destroy Israel is an absurdity, that doesn't mean they aren't trying to reclaim their ancestral lands, and this is where the problem lays. We have to groups of people who both claim this land as the land of their ancestors, and instead of trying to share it in a One State Solution, they are dividing and squabbling over it in a Two State Conclusion.

Lucian Celestine said:

You speak on matters you know very little of, Israel has had a lot to contend with that is true, and the Jews have had a very long history of being persecuted by Christians. However their history particularly that of the Holocaust has created a prejudice in the state of Israel, like how many African Americans remember how their ancestors were enslaved and persecuted for the color of their skin. Many Jews feel that the world is out to get them even those not living in Israel, and again this is due to how they were persecuted for thousands of years for their religion.

The Middle East as a whole is an area in need of healing, but to say that the Palestinians who were the victims of Al-Nakba (a genocide) when Israel 'had to fight from day one' have been trying to destroy Israel is an absurdity, that doesn't mean they aren't trying to reclaim their ancestral lands, and this is where the problem lays. We have to groups of people who both claim this land as the land of their ancestors, and instead of trying to share it in a One State Solution, they are dividing and squabbling over it in a Two State Conclusion.

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Palestinians do not want a two state solution. They demand the end of the state of Israel. I know a lot more than you give me credit for. Israelis have good reason to feel that the world is out to get them. There is a solution. Palestinians consistently reject it. Israel won't accept a one state solution. Palestinians outnumber Jews, so Israel would be destroyed at the ballot box.

Evangelical Christians may be the best friends Israel has, but you would not know that from the way Christians are treated in Israel. I'm pro Israel because I believe that the nation is physical evidence of God's miraculous power. I'm pro Israel because it is a shining light of tolerance in a region where there is little, if any, anywhere else.

The Palestinians left Israel at the behest of the invading nations. The arrogance of the ungodly brought them undone. Israel was suppose to be trampled under foot. So the Palestinians left of their own accord. They threaten Israel with destruction, wage war on Israel and complain when Israel defends itself. The lies and deceptions, misinformation and bias against Israel is breathtaking. And the UN (first class oxymoron) appoints a Muslim as the head of the Human Rights division? Give me a break.

Aussie Pete said:

Palestinians do not want a two state solution. They demand the end of the state of Israel. I know a lot more than you give me credit for. Israelis have good reason to feel that the world is out to get them. There is a solution. Palestinians consistently reject it. Israel won't accept a one state solution. Palestinians outnumber Jews, so Israel would be destroyed at the ballot box.

Evangelical Christians may be the best friends Israel has, but you would not know that from the way Christians are treated in Israel. I'm pro Israel because I believe that the nation is physical evidence of God's miraculous power. I'm pro Israel because it is a shining light of tolerance in a region where there is little, if any, anywhere else.

The Palestinians left Israel at the behest of the invading nations. The arrogance of the ungodly brought them undone. Israel was suppose to be trampled under foot. So the Palestinians left of their own accord. They threaten Israel with destruction, wage war on Israel and complain when Israel defends itself. The lies and deceptions, misinformation and bias against Israel is breathtaking. And the UN (first class oxymoron) appoints a Muslim as the head of the Human Rights division? Give me a break.

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Israel defending itself, the part of the video that contains graphic violence which was edited out because it goes against youtube rules, if I could show you that you would see just how israel 'defends itself' I am all for a nation defending itself, but that is no excuse for outright murder which again I can't show you on youtube and I very much doubt this site would allow me to post such graphic content either.

Also the One State Solution appears to be desired by the Palestinians

One-state solution gains ground as Palestinians battle for equal rights

Also it seems to be Netanyahu who doesn't want a One State Solution not the Palestinians

Netanyahu rejects one-state solution, says settlements are a ‘side issue’

I'm not Pro-Israel and I'm not Pro-Palestine I'm Pro-Christendom If the Jews can aspire to see a state formed from their religious Identity then Christians should aspire to this ideal as well. Instead we're stuck in the dark age of Nationalism.

Aussie Pete said:

I'm pro Israel because it is a shining light of tolerance in a region where there is little, if any, anywhere else.

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Even as they build walls and bulldoze Palestinian homes to make way for new Israeli settlements?

Lucian Celestine said:

Israel defending itself, the part of the video that contains graphic violence which was edited out because it goes against youtube rules, if I could show you that you would see just how israel 'defends itself' I am all for a nation defending itself, but that is no excuse for outright murder which again I can't show you on youtube and I very much doubt this site would allow me to post such graphic content either.

Also the One State Solution appears to be desired by the Palestinians

One-state solution gains ground as Palestinians battle for equal rights

Also it seems to be Netanyahu who doesn't want a One State Solution not the Palestinians

Netanyahu rejects one-state solution, says settlements are a ‘side issue’

I'm not Pro-Israel and I'm not Pro-Palestine I'm Pro-Christendom If the Jews can aspire to see a state formed from their religious Identity then Christians should aspire to this ideal as well. Instead we're stuck in the dark age of Nationalism.

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Nothing wrong with Nationalism.

David Neos said:

Nothing wrong with Nationalism.

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Yeah... Hitler seemed to think so too.

Lucian Celestine said:

Yeah... Hitler seemed to think so too.

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Using the Hitler argument, how original.

David Neos said:

Using the Hitler argument, how original.

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That's because his argument applies.

JackRT said:

Even as they build walls and bulldoze Palestinian homes to make way for new Israeli settlements?

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Neither side is faultless. How much of the USA was taken by conflict? I don't see any great rush to return California to Mexico.

Not just this but Muslims in China and the ongoing oppression of minorities here in America

Christian politics seem to only be concerned with abortions, the lgbt and the economy

Lucian Celestine said:

Israel defending itself, the part of the video that contains graphic violence which was edited out because it goes against youtube rules, if I could show you that you would see just how israel 'defends itself' I am all for a nation defending itself, but that is no excuse for outright murder which again I can't show you on youtube and I very much doubt this site would allow me to post such graphic content either.

Also the One State Solution appears to be desired by the Palestinians

One-state solution gains ground as Palestinians battle for equal rights

Also it seems to be Netanyahu who doesn't want a One State Solution not the Palestinians

Netanyahu rejects one-state solution, says settlements are a ‘side issue’

I'm not Pro-Israel and I'm not Pro-Palestine I'm Pro-Christendom If the Jews can aspire to see a state formed from their religious Identity then Christians should aspire to this ideal as well. Instead we're stuck in the dark age of Nationalism.

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Of course the one state solution is sought by Palestinians. It would mean the end of Israel. That is exactly why Israel won't accept it. I don't get your point about a state formed from religious identity. The Kingdom of God is not of this world. However, the meek shall inherit the earth.

When an Israeli soldier commits a war crime, he is charged and, if guilty, imprisoned. When a Palestinian invades an Israeli home, murders a child, he is feted as a hero. If he dies during a murder attempt, his family is paid a monthly stipend. "Pay to slay", it is called. And that is funded by congenital idiots in the West. Check out where the money paid to the Palestinian Authority ends up. In Arafat's time, he who was a terrorist, it ended up in his personal account. And they won't even pay the power bill that they owe Israel.

If Israel chose, they could send the Palestinians into the stone age - without firing a shot. Palestinians are treated in Israeli hospitals, work in Israeli industries and some have Israeli citizenship - those who did not evacuate when Jordan, Iraq, Syria and Egypt invaded Israel the moment independence was declared. Unlike the previously mentioned countries, Arab citizens have equal rights in Israel. Try being a non-Muslim in Egypt or Iraq, Jordan or Syria. Jordan should not even exist. The Middle East was the plaything of the British and borders just created to suit their own ends.

Take a hard look at what the rest of the Arab world thinks of Palestinians. It is not the Arab world that funds the Palestine administration. Not much brotherhood there. In spite of them being the cause of the problem in the first place.

ArmenianJohn said:

The Israeli Ethnic Cleansing of Palestinian Christians that nobody is talking about

So do we Christians care about this or are we content to let politics override the well-being of our Christian brethren?

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A missionary to the Jews visited our church recently and he said only about 2% of Jews claim to be Christian. I think with the Palestinians it is even less but yes, for the few true Christian it is a horrible way to have to live. The situation is even worse in many other places. Why do you seem mainly concerned about Palestine? From what I can understand it is not ethnic cleansing but mad dog killers using them as human shields. If I lived in a place like that I would do my best to get out.

Oldmantook said:

That's because his argument applies.

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I keep hearing he was nationalist and that he wanted to conquer the world.

Pick one

David Neos said:

I keep hearing he was nationalist and that he wanted to conquer the world.

Pick one

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Sorry but you have committed a logical fallacy otherwise known as a false dilemma. It is not a matter of picking one or the other as both apply.

ArmenianJohn said:

The Israeli Ethnic Cleansing of Palestinian Christians that nobody is talking about

So do we Christians care about this or are we content to let politics override the well-being of our Christian brethren?

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I haven't heard of ethnic cleansing by Israel being carried out. If so it seems it would be in the news reports here. Reports instead say there are battles and retaliation engagement from both sides.

Certainly if Israel attacked any people on the basis they are Christian then USA news sources would report that, and none are. Some Christians there are probably affected by these battles but I doubt if Israel targets them because they are Christian or even because they are Palestinian. Reports claim they are targeted because Palestinian people are targeting Israel.