The Truth about our Future

iamlamad · Dec 21, 2019

keras said:
I stand by the plain text of Rev 20:4.
To add other people, living or dead, is a violation of Revelation 22:18.

Your scriptures above, Deade, are Promises for us that will be realized after the Millennium. Excepting 1 Thess 4:13-18, which refers to Jesus' Return and is not a removal to heaven, but just a transportation to where Jesus is; in the clouds, then in Jerusalem.

4 And I saw thrones, and they sat on them, and judgment was committed to them.

These are the resurrected New and Old Testament saints.

keras · Dec 21, 2019

iamlamad said:
4 And I saw thrones, and they sat on them, and judgment was committed to them.

These are the resurrected New and Old Testament saints.

Your opinion, which is wrong and impossible because they judge the souls of the Trib martyrs. Revelation 20:4
Also can't be the OT saints, as Daniel 12:13, Job, and all the Prophets 'sleep in the grave', awaiting the Last Day, which is the GWT Judgment. Revelation 20:11-15

keras · Dec 25, 2019

It seems that there are as many views of what God has planned for the end of this age, as there are people who study the subject. But there is only one actual future for us and those who teach false theories will be judged more severely. James 3:1
Then there is the bulk of Christians, who just simply don’t want to know, or find the prophetic Word just too hard to comprehend.

But in our Bible, we are told: God does nothing without revealing His plan to His servants. Amos 3:7 Paul says: We are not in the dark, the Day of sudden destruction will not come upon us like a thief. 1 Thess. 5:1-6

We see in 2 Thess. 2:11… God puts the wicked under a compelling delusion, which makes them believe what is false. Then in Isaiah 29:9-14, talking to us, that is: the Christian peoples, the Laodicean Church of today, we are…. pitiful wretches, we attend ‘church’ but our hearts are far from the Lord. Our worship is by rote and made up of rules taught from men. Therefore once more the Lord will astound His people, shock and amaze us. Most of us won’t know His plans, because the wisdom of the wise will be removed and the discernment of the intelligent will be lost. Matt. 11:25

The Day is coming; When the wicked and godless will vanish and all who love evil will be cut down. Isaiah 29:20-21, Isaiah 66:15-17, Psalm 83, Rev. 6:12-17

Then: In that Day; the deaf will hear the words of scripture and the blinded will see through the impenetrable darkness. Isaiah 29:18 & 24 The lowly will once again rejoice in the Lord, as the Holy Land is regenerated into a fruitful garden Land. Ezekiel 36:8, Amos 9:13-15, Isaiah 35

That Day of fire and tempest, Malachi 4:1-3, is not a Day for all who believe in the Lord to panic or be frightened, for Righteousness will rise among them, as the Lord heals the wounds [of spiritual and physical exile, Ezekiel 37] inflicted upon His people. Isaiah 30:25-28, Zephaniah 3:8-10, Revelation 7:9-17

This is what we look forward to, our great hope for the future:

Ezekiel 34:11-16 Now, [that is: after the Day of the Lord’s wrath against the nations] I, Myself will search for and gather My [faithful Christian] people, I will rescue them for wherever they are scattered after that Day of cloud and darkness. I shall lead them out of the nations, Micah 2:12-13, and bring them home to their own country. I shall make a Covenant with them to ensure peace and prosperity and they will have good leaders. Ezekiel 34:23-31, Jeremiah 30:21, Hosea 1:11

After they are settled, Jeremiah 30 & 31, the Lord will summon Gog to come down from the north and invade the Land recently restored from ruin, whose people are gathered from many nations and are now settled and prosperous. Ezekiel 38:8 T
This is in order for the Lord, through His people, to show Himself great and holy to the nations. Ezekiel 38:16

Later, the Leader of the One World Government, a ten region confederation, Daniel 7:24, Rev 17:12-13, will come to the new nation of Beulah, Isaiah 62:1-5, and make a seven year treaty of peace with them. Daniel 9:27, He will break it at the mid-point and invade Beulah. Zechariah 14:1-2
But this will trigger the Great Tribulation trumpet and bowl punishments. 1260 days later, the Lord Jesus will Return, destroy those attackers of Jerusalem, bind up Satan and commence His Millennial reign.

iamlamad · Dec 29, 2019

keras said:
Your opinion, which is wrong and impossible because they judge the souls of the Trib martyrs. Revelation 20:4
Also can't be the OT saints, as Daniel 12:13, Job, and all the Prophets 'sleep in the grave', awaiting the Last Day, which is the GWT Judgment. Revelation 20:11-15

WHO IS BEING JUDGED? It is those left alive on earth! The trib martyrs will be judges too - judging natural people. You amaze me.

Your title: "the truth about the future..." It may well be YOUR truth, but it is not the church's truth. It seems your doctrines are in general FAR from the norm of the church.

Deade · Dec 29, 2019

keras said:
I stand by the plain text of Rev 20:4.
To add other people, living or dead, is a violation of Revelation 22:18.

Your scriptures above, Deade, are Promises for us that will be realized after the Millennium. Excepting 1 Thess 4:13-18, which refers to Jesus' Return and is not a removal to heaven, but just a transportation to where Jesus is; in the clouds, then in Jerusalem.

Rev. 22:18 is a curse for adding words not people. You just have a different interpretation on what many here have shown you otherwise. You post walls of scripture with explanations that are out of context.

You fall into the category of "ever learning but never able to come to the knowledge of the truth." (2 Timothy 3:7). Just keep expecting to be raptured out of here, and when the tribulations hits you will fall to pieces. I pray you'll keep the faith.

keras · Dec 30, 2019

iamlamad said:
WHO IS BEING JUDGED? It is those left alive on earth! The trib martyrs will be judges too - judging natural people. You amaze me.

Your title: "the truth about the future..." It may well be YOUR truth, but it is not the church's truth. It seems your doctrines are in general FAR from the norm of the church.

My beliefs and the scriptures that I write about, are far from your beliefs. And maybe the norm of the Church you attend.
But no divergence from what is actually Written.

Who is Judged in Revelation 20:4?
It is only the Trib martyrs, those beheaded for their faith in Jesus.
You make this verse mean something it doesn't.

Deade said:
Rev. 22:18 is a curse for adding words not people. You just have a different interpretation on what many here have shown you otherwise. You post walls of scripture with explanations that are out of context.

You fall into the category of "ever learning but never able to come to the knowledge of the truth." (2 Timothy 3:7). Just keep expecting to be raptured out of here, and when the tribulations hits you will fall to pieces. I pray you'll keep the faith.

Rather than ranting on, provide examples of my errors. Scriptural proofs please.
I expect no 'rapture', that idea is never prophesied. When trials and tribulation comes, I know what to do. Joel 2:32, Acts 2:2

Deade · Dec 30, 2019

keras said:
Rather than ranting on, provide examples of my errors. Scriptural proofs please.
I expect no 'rapture', that idea is never prophesied. When trials and tribulation comes, I know what to do. Joel 2:32, Acts 2:2

Okay, I see I was wrong with my "rapture" statement. But I still think you are in error of thinking only a few martyrs are resurrected at Christ's coming. What about all the scripture I gave you in post #43: It emphatically says all the saints (believers) will be resurrected then.

Ref. post #43:
1 Cor. 15:23 "But every man in his own order: Christ the firstfruits; afterward they that are Christ's at his coming."

1 Thess. 2:19 "For what is our hope, or joy, or crown of rejoicing? Are not even ye in the presence of our Lord Jesus Christ at his coming?"

1 Jhn. 2:28 "And now, little children, abide in him; that, when he shall appear, we may have confidence, and not be ashamed before him at his coming."

Heb. 11:40 "God for us something better having provided, that apart from us they might not be made perfect."

1 Cor. 15:52 "In a moment, in the twinkling of an eye, at the last trump: for the trumpet shall sound, and the dead shall be raised incorruptible, and we shall be changed."

(YLT) 1 Thess. 4:13-18 "And I do not wish you to be ignorant, brethren, concerning those who have fallen asleep, that ye may not sorrow, as also the rest who have not hope, for if we believe that Jesus died and rose again, so also God those asleep through Jesus he will bring with him, for this to you we say in the word of the Lord, that we who are living—who do remain over to the presence of the Lord—may not precede those asleep, because the Lord himself, in a shout, in the voice of a chief-messenger, and in the trump of God, shall come down from heaven, and the dead in Christ shall rise first, then we who are living, who are remaining over, together with them shall be caught away in clouds to meet the Lord in air, and so always with the Lord we shall be; so, then, comfort ye one another in these words."

keras · Dec 30, 2019

Deade said:
But I still think you are in error of thinking only a few martyrs are resurrected at Christ's coming. What about all the scripture I gave you in post #43: It emphatically says all the saints (believers) will be resurrected then.

Revelation 20:4 clearly, plainly and unequivocally says; Jesus will bring the souls of those people killed during the Great Tribulation with Him and bring them back to life. The rest of the dead await the GWT Judgment, AFTER the Millennium.

Your 6 scriptures do not say Jesus will bring the souls of ALL who 'sleep'.
In every case, Paul is talking to those who remain alive, in his way of speaking as if he and those alive at that time could experience the Return of Jesus.
He, and all the disciples had the wrong impression that Jesus would Return in their lifetime.

This has been the case thru the Christian era, it has kept the Church in anticipation and readiness.
But the fact of a 2000 year gap is prophesied in Hosea 6:2 and Luke 13:32, using the 1 day to God in heaven is equal to 1000 years earth time. Two witnesses tell us this formula; Psalms 90:4, 2 Peter 3:8.

Therefore; we who are alive today, are the ones who will see it all, Matthew 24:34 and be alive and remain; 1 Thess 4:17

Deade · Dec 30, 2019

keras said:
Revelation 20:4 clearly, plainly and unequivocally says; Jesus will bring the souls of those people killed during the Great Tribulation with Him and bring them back to life. The rest of the dead await the GWT Judgment, AFTER the Millennium.

Your 6 scriptures do not say Jesus will bring the souls of ALL who 'sleep'.
In every case, Paul is talking to those who remain alive, in his way of speaking as if he and those alive at that time could experience the Return of Jesus.
He, and all the disciples had the wrong impression that Jesus would Return in their lifetime.

This has been the case thru the Christian era, it has kept the Church in anticipation and readiness.
But the fact of a 2000 year gap is prophesied in Hosea 6:2 and Luke 13:32, using the 1 day to God in heaven is equal to 1000 years earth time. Two witnesses tell us this formula; Psalms 90:4, 2 Peter 3:8.

Therefore; we who are alive today, are the ones who will see it all, Matthew 24:34 and be alive and remain; 1 Thess 4:17

Wow! So you are saying only tribulation martyrs are resurrected and reign with Christ for the thousand years? Fairly small group of people. You can believe what you want. I gave the scriptures that tell of the exact events at His coming.

keras · Dec 30, 2019

Deade said:
Wow! So you are saying only tribulation martyrs are resurrected and reign with Christ for the thousand years? Fairly small group of people. You can believe what you want. I gave the scriptures that tell of the exact events at His coming. View attachment 269383

Could be a very large group, as the Anti-Christ does his worst against Christians.
What we all must think of, as the axe comes down upon our necks, is the Lord's Promise of resurrection and reigning with Him for 1000 years.

The only scriptures that actually detail the glorious Return of Jesus for His Millennium reign, are:
Zechariah 14:3-11, Matthew 24:29-31, Revelation 19:11-21, 1 Thess 4:17.

Do you think it is impossible for you to have been fooled by false teaching? Jesus said it would be possible for even the Elect to be deceived. Matthew 24:5, 2 Timothy 4:3-4

ewq1938 · Dec 30, 2019

Deade said:
Wow! So you are saying only tribulation martyrs are resurrected and reign with Christ for the thousand years? Fairly small group of people.

Agreed. Rev 20 only focuses upon one smaller group but they aren't the only ones resurrected or that rule with Christ. Christ spoke of all overcomers ruling with him:

Rev 2:25 But that which ye have already hold fast till I come.
Rev 2:26 And he that overcometh, and keepeth my works unto the end, to him will I give power over the nations:
Rev 2:27 And he shall rule them with a rod of iron; as the vessels of a potter shall they be broken to shivers: even as I received of my Father.

keras · Dec 30, 2019

ewq1938 said:
Agreed. Rev 20 only focuses upon one smaller group but they aren't the only ones resurrected or that rule with Christ. Christ spoke of all overcomers ruling with him:

Rev 2:25 But that which ye have already hold fast till I come.
Rev 2:26 And he that overcometh, and keepeth my works unto the end, to him will I give power over the nations:
Rev 2:27 And he shall rule them with a rod of iron; as the vessels of a potter shall they be broken to shivers: even as I received of my Father.

Where do you get the idea that those verses prove a resurrection?
Verse 26 is clear; it is those who are alive and have kept faithful until the end, who will be His priests and administrators with Jesus. Isaiah 66:21, Revelation 5:9-10

If every Christian martyr is resurrected when Jesus Returns, there would be more chiefs than Indians!
Again I reiterate: Revelation 20:4 is clear, ONLY the Trib martyrs will be raised back to life by Jesus. Even Daniel 12:13 and David, Acts 13:36 await the GWT, after the Millennium.

Deade · Dec 30, 2019

keras said:
Where do you get the idea that those verses prove a resurrection?
Verse 26 is clear; it is those who are alive and have kept faithful until the end, who will be His priests and administrators with Jesus. Isaiah 66:21, Revelation 5:9-10

If every Christian martyr is resurrected when Jesus Returns, there would be more chiefs than Indians!
Again I reiterate: Revelation 20:4 is clear, ONLY the Trib martyrs will be raised back to life by Jesus. Even Daniel 12:13 and David, Acts 13:36 await the GWT, after the Millennium.

So who was Paul addressing here:
1 Thess. 4:15-17 "For this we say unto you by the word of the Lord, that we which are alive and remain unto the coming of the Lord shall not prevent (precede) them which are asleep. For the Lord himself shall descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of the archangel, and with the trump of God: and the dead in Christ shall rise first: Then we which are alive and remain shall be caught up together with them in the clouds, to meet the Lord in the air: and so shall we ever be with the Lord."

And Here:
1 Cor. 15:52 "In a moment, in the twinkling of an eye, at the last trump: for the trumpet shall sound, and the dead shall be raised incorruptible, and we shall be changed."

keras · Dec 31, 2019

Deade said:
So who was Paul addressing here:
1 Thess. 4:15-17 "For this we say unto you by the word of the Lord, that we which are alive and remain unto the coming of the Lord shall not prevent (precede) them which are asleep. For the Lord himself shall descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of the archangel, and with the trump of God: and the dead in Christ shall rise first: Then we which are alive and remain shall be caught up together with them in the clouds, to meet the Lord in the air: and so shall we ever be with the Lord."

And Here:
1 Cor. 15:52 "In a moment, in the twinkling of an eye, at the last trump: for the trumpet shall sound, and the dead shall be raised incorruptible, and we shall be changed." View attachment 269390

The dead in Christ, who will be raised at His Return, are ONLY the Trib martyrs.
Thinking otherwise, is a contradiction of scripture and an addition to Revelation.
Happy to do that, are you?

You have been seriously deceived if you believe 1 Cor 15:50-56 will happen at the Return.
The ONLY time the dead will be raised and those worthy are given immortality, is at the GWT Judgment. ONLY then will Death be no more.
Proved by how people will die during the Millennium. Isaiah 65:20

Also by 1 Corinthians 15:23-26 Christ the firstfruits, and after His coming; those who belong to Christ.
Followed immediately by; Then comes the end, when Christ delivers up the Kingdom to God.....all enemies are put under His feet and the last enemy is Death.
So it is after His coming; actually 1000 years, [which is as one day to God] that all who belong to Christ, every faithful Christian, including those martyrs who were brought back to life at the Return, but who may die again; will all receive Eternal life. Revelation 20:4-6,
Over them the second death has no power....

Deade · Dec 31, 2019

keras said:
The dead in Christ, who will be raised at His Return, are ONLY the Trib martyrs.
Thinking otherwise, is a contradiction of scripture and an addition to Revelation.
Happy to do that, are you?

You have been seriously deceived if you believe 1 Cor 15:50-56 will happen at the Return.
The ONLY time the dead will be raised and those worthy are given immortality, is at the GWT Judgment. ONLY then will Death be no more.
Proved by how people will die during the Millennium. Isaiah 65:20

Also by 1 Corinthians 15:23-26 Christ the firstfruits, and after His coming; those who belong to Christ.
Followed immediately by; Then comes the end, when Christ delivers up the Kingdom to God.....all enemies are put under His feet and the last enemy is Death.
So it is after His coming; actually 1000 years, [which is as one day to God] that all who belong to Christ, every faithful Christian, including those martyrs who were brought back to life at the Return, but who may die again; will all receive Eternal life. Revelation 20:4-6,
Over them the second death has no power....

Whatever. My bible says they will receive their immortality right at His second coming. You have them living in fleshly bodies and waiting until GWT judgment before receiving that. Nope, not gonna happen!

keras · Dec 31, 2019

Deade said:
Whatever. My bible says they will receive their immortality right at His second coming. You have them living in fleshly bodies and waiting until GWT judgment before receiving that. Nope, not gonna happen!

Really? We must have different Bibles.
Explain, please; How can humans receive Eternal Life before any Judgment and before the Book of Life is opened?

Deade · Dec 31, 2019

keras said:
Really? We must have different Bibles.
Explain, please; How can humans receive Eternal Life before any Judgment and before the Book of Life is opened?

When is our judgment? How are we judged?

When: 1 Peter 4:17 "For the time is come that judgment must begin at the house of God: and if it first begin at us, what shall the end be of them that obey not the gospel of God?"

How: Heb. 12:6,7 "For whom the Lord loveth he chasteneth, and scourgeth every son whom he receiveth. If ye endure chastening, God dealeth with you as with sons; for what son is he whom the father chasteneth not?"

keras · Dec 31, 2019

Deade said:
When is our judgment? How are we judged?

When: 1 Peter 4:17 "For the time is come that judgment must begin at the house of God: and if it first begin at us, what shall the end be of them that obey not the gospel of God?"

How: Heb. 12:6,7 "For whom the Lord loveth he chasteneth, and scourgeth every son whom he receiveth. If ye endure chastening, God dealeth with you as with sons; for what son is he whom the father chasteneth not?"

! Peter 4:12-19 is telling us about the great test; the terrible Day of the Lord's fiery wrath, which will come upon everyone. Luke 21:34-35

Hebrews 12:1-12 is an exhortation for us to stand strong during all the testing time to come.
If you want to escape this, or any test of your faith, then you are not a true child of God. Hebrews 12:8

The only time that everyone will be Judged, is when we all stand before God on His Great White Throne. AFTER the Millennium. Revelation 20:11-15

Deade · Dec 31, 2019

keras said:
! Peter 4:12-19 is telling us about the great test; the terrible Day of the Lord's fiery wrath, which will come upon everyone. Luke 21:34-35

Hebrews 12:1-12 is an exhortation for us to stand strong during all the testing time to come.
If you want to escape this, or any test of your faith, then you are not a true child of God. Hebrews 12:8

The only time that everyone will be Judged, is when we all stand before God on His Great White Throne. AFTER the Millennium. Revelation 20:11-15

Whatever you want to believe. You read them the way you want anyway. I am done here.

keras · Jan 3, 2020

Will the world just continue on, more or less as we are now? Or will there be a 'reset of Civilization' similar to what happened in Noah's time?
I believe the latter, God did destroy the antediluvian peoples and He says He will do it again; this time with fire. Isaiah 66:15-17, Zephaniah 3:8, Rev 6:12-17
It seems that Noah's society was quite similar to our own today. Just getting on with life as normal. But the similarity that both societies have that our Creator God cannot allow to continue, is how the majority of the people have no regard for and ignore their Maker.
Humans are like self drive cars that have gone off every which way!

A non Christian may ask; Why are we here? They fail to read God's Word that states His intention: To have a people who believe in the Creator God and have chosen of their free will, to keep His Commandments. They will be the ones who will go with God into Eternity, the rest of mankind will not. Revelation 20:11-15

Malachi 3:16-18 Those who feared the Lord talked together and the Lord paid heed and listened. A record was Written before Him of those who feared His and respected His Name.
They will be Mine, says the Lord of Hosts, My own precious possession on the Day that I appoint, for I shall spare them as a man spares the son who serves him.
Once more it will be known who are righteous and who are wicked, between the servant of God and those who do not serve Him.

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