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So I've always been confused on the matter but never really reached out to ask and if I did, I would've still not understood it but the question is, you know how Jesus Christ talks to God, His father numerous times throughout the Holy Bible, well, is Jesus Christ talking to Himself? If Jesus Christ is God in human form and if He is talking to God, His Father, then isn't He conversing with Himself in two separate areas, one on Earth and one in Heaven? Please help me understand this.
 

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In order for God to be Love, He has to have someone to love. He has existed before time began, before the angels and and the world. So what did He love before anything else was created?

The Holy Trinity is one God, but but with three "persons" who are bound as one in their love for each other, amongst other things. Matthew 3:16-17 demonstrates this clearly. The Father expresses his love for Jesus (as Jesus often does for the Father) and the Spirit descends to Jesus simultaneously in the form of a dove.

So, yes, in a sense God is talking to Himself, but also not. But to explain why not would be to explain the whole mystery of the existence of the Trinity which no one yet has been able to totally comprehend. Personally I like the water example - in the arctic and antarctic regions it's possible for water to exist in each of its forms in the same place - water vapor, liquid water and ice. Yet it's all one and the same element. The ice, for example, can interact atmospherically with the liquid or vapor even though it's essentially the same thing as them.
 
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So I've always been confused on the matter but never really reached out to ask and if I did, I would've still not understood it but the question is, you know how Jesus Christ talks to God, His father numerous times throughout the Holy Bible, well, is Jesus Christ talking to Himself? If Jesus Christ is God in human form and if He is talking to God, His Father, then isn't He conversing with Himself in two separate areas, one on Earth and one in Heaven? Please help me understand this.

Hi Joshua5,

Yes, it can be very confusing, but to simplify it: God is = one God in three Persons (i.e., the Trinity or Godhead). God the Father, God the Son (Jesus), and God the Holy Spirit. So when God the Son (Jesus) was praying on earth, He was talking to His Father in heaven.

Here is an article on the Trinity that might help clarify things a bit more:

The Scriptures declare that there is only one God, who exists eternally in three distinct Persons: the Father, the Son and the Holy Spirit. Each Person within the Trinity is co-equal, co-powerful, co-eternal and 100% God, yet separate and distinct from one another. The Father is neither the Son nor the Holy Spirit, the Son is neither the Father nor the Holy Spirit, and the Holy Spirit is neither the Father nor the Son; yet they are one God.

James R. White said, “It is vitally important that we recognize the difference between the words “Being” and “Person”...Being is what makes something what it is. Person is what makes someone who he or she is.” (Loving the Trinity, [Christian Research Journal, Volume 21/ Issue 4]).

There have been many attempts made over the years to describe the mysterious dynamic of the Trinity in a way that finite human minds can understand and comprehend. A helpful analogy on the topic can be found in the nature of our earthly sun. There is only one sun in the earth’s atmosphere, with only one visible manifestation of that single sun; yet it consists of three distinct elements: energy, heat and light.
  • You cannot see the intense energy of the sun, but without the sun’s energy there would not be life on earth. In the same way, you cannot see God the Father and live, for He lives in unapproachable light; but without Him, life would not exist (1 Timothy 6:16; Genesis 1 and 2)

  • You cannot see the heat which powerfully radiates from the sun, but you can personally feel it and see its effects upon the earth. In the same way, you cannot see the Holy Spirit, but you can see and feel the evidence and effects of His presence (John 3:5-8).

  • You can see a physical, visible manifestation of the sun’s invisible energy and heat when you look up into the sky; it's an enormous bright light, held together by its own gravity. In the same way, Jesus Christ is the light of the world (John 8:12), the image of the invisible God (Colossians 1:15) and the radiance of His glory and exact representation of His nature, who upholds all things by the word of His power (Hebrews 1:3).

Therefore, God is one God, yet He is manifested in three distinct Persons, each with their own specific role within the Trinity; the culmination of which we will not fully and completely understand until we see Him face to face in eternity. Therefore, because the Bible clearly teaches that God is a triune God, and because the truths of God’s Word are never dependent upon whether or not we understand them in order to be true, we accept them by faith regardless of our understanding, because, “God is not a man that he should lie” (Numbers 23:19).
 
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So I've always been confused on the matter but never really reached out to ask and if I did, I would've still not understood it but the question is, you know how Jesus Christ talks to God, His father numerous times throughout the Holy Bible, well, is Jesus Christ talking to Himself? If Jesus Christ is God in human form and if He is talking to God, His Father, then isn't He conversing with Himself in two separate areas, one on Earth and one in Heaven? Please help me understand this.
It's difficult. In fact, it's beyond our level of understanding to fully comprehend. What we know is what we were given in Scripture. All of that is reiterated in the Creeds of the Church, by the way also.

What we know is that God is One, but it is a oneness in three: Father, Son, and Holy Ghost. All have all the attributes, whatever you think they are, of God. And they are not separate individuals or beings, not are these three simply different names or manifestations of God. Any of that would either deny the oneness of God in favor of oneness of purpose or else deny any meaningful distinction between the three.
 
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Yet Jesus came to do His part in the establishment of the Kingdom... oneness in purpose of all three.
Let's put it this way: when we speak of the oneness of God it's not about the persons of the Trinity being in agreement. It is an element of God's nature.
 
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So I've always been confused on the matter but never really reached out to ask and if I did, I would've still not understood it but the question is, you know how Jesus Christ talks to God, His father numerous times throughout the Holy Bible, well, is Jesus Christ talking to Himself? If Jesus Christ is God in human form and if He is talking to God, His Father, then isn't He conversing with Himself in two separate areas, one on Earth and one in Heaven? Please help me understand this.
The Father sent His only Son for our sins.
When Jesus died, He sent back the Holy Spirit to guide us.

All Three individuals comprise what we consider to be God.
The three parts are similar to what we call "a family."

Coincidentally? our reality also has three dimensions when we measure it.
 
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So I've always been confused on the matter but never really reached out to ask and if I did, I would've still not understood it but the question is, you know how Jesus Christ talks to God, His father numerous times throughout the Holy Bible, well, is Jesus Christ talking to Himself? If Jesus Christ is God in human form and if He is talking to God, His Father, then isn't He conversing with Himself in two separate areas, one on Earth and one in Heaven? Please help me understand this.
When Jesus came to the earth, it was as a man, not as God. He had the divine nature, but He left that all behind. Everything He did was as a man, for man, to represent man to God in obedience, love and faith. Lord Jesus undid everything that Adam brought about through his disobedience. So in His humanity, He restores man to God. In his divinity, He is Emmanuel, God with us. So He bridges the gulf that sin created. Most Christians focus on what we gain from Christ's great salvation. A bridge works both ways. God now can have fellowship with us, which was why He created us in the first place.

Some family businesses employ a child in their business. I know a contractor whose son is an apprentice. While on the job, the son is an employee. He may even be treated with less favour than a normal employee. It's a little like that with Lord Jesus. He is indeed the Son, but He lived, worked, taught, prayed and obeyed as a servant of God. Not a bad example to follow.........
 
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3 distinct beings. Read the Athanasian Creed and you’ll get your answer.
Three persons, only one God, with Jesus one in being with the Father. I'll grant you it's complicated.
 
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3 distinct beings. Read the Athanasian Creed and you’ll get your answer.

To have any hope of understanding the Athanasian Creed one would need a thorough grounding in Greek Philosophy. Even though I have taken some philosophy and am quite well educated, the Athanasian Creed is bafflegab to me.
 
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If you phrase persons in such a way that it might as well just be properties, then it sounds suspiciously like Trinitarianism is trying to ignore the contradiction of saying that the entities/persons are separate and yet one, that's literally not possible

If I wasn't convinced of Unitarianism as a hypothetical Christian, then honestly, Modalism, regarded as heresy, is actually more consistent, because it doesn't deny that the entities are interrelated, but in manifestation, not in actual coexistence at the same time

Pretty much any analogy utterly fails, because it either reduces God's persons to properties of matter (water states example) or makes God to be some bizarre conglomeration hive mind (3 leaf clover example)
 
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Hi Joshua5,

Yes, it can be very confusing, but to simplify it: God is = one God in three Persons (i.e., the Trinity or Godhead). God the Father, God the Son (Jesus), and God the Holy Spirit. S
Would speaking of God be akin to speaking of our Judiciary branch of Government? It consists of 9 separate persons and together they make up the Judiciary branch of the Government. Is this a fair comparison?
 
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James R. White said, “It is vitally important that we recognize the difference between the words “Being” and “Person”...Being is what makes something what it is. Person is what makes someone who he or she is.” (Loving the Trinity, [Christian Research Journal, Volume 21/ Issue 4]).
What's the difference? Unless you are saying "being" is only applied to non-intelligent inanimate objects, and "person" is only applied to humans.... but then we are called Human beings. So what's the difference between what something is vs what he or she is?
Therefore, God is one God, yet He is manifested in three distinct Persons, each with their own specific role within the Trinity
Would this be like saying that there is only one human race, that is made up of (manifested) 7 billion distinct persons each with their own specific roles on Earth?
 
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Would speaking of God be akin to speaking of our Judiciary branch of Government? It consists of 9 separate persons and together they make up the Judiciary branch of the Government. Is this a fair comparison?

Hi Ken-1122,

No. There is no comparison between God and sinful man. Furthermore, The Father, The Son, and the Holy Spirit are all equally God. It's not "3 Persons make up One God."
 
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What's the difference? Unless you are saying "being" is only applied to non-intelligent inanimate objects, and "person" is only applied to humans.... but then we are called Human beings. So what's the difference between what something is vs what he or she is?

Would this be like saying that there is only one human race, that is made up of (manifested) 7 billion distinct persons each with their own specific roles on Earth?

No. See my previous reply to your other similar question. :)
 
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Hi Ken-1122,

No. There is no comparison between God and sinful man.
Well I'm sure there is no comparison between God and an inanimate object like the sun either, yet it didn't stop you from using it as an analogy. I was not making a moral comparison, I was making a practical comparison. How is God different in the context of my how I was comparing them?

Furthermore, The Father, The Son, and the Holy Spirit are all equally God. It's not "3 Persons make up One God."
Is God a group? or singular.
 
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