The KJVO myth...

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Dghall that’s right. As scribes or writers of both biblical, historical, religious and secular manuscripts they did use the palimpsest method of erasing previous writings to save on expenses with new manuscripts all the way up to the Middle Ages. Sometimes diverse layers were left leading to some amazing discoveries of previous works. As to the bible and the church being held answerable to the mere 50 yrs of Dead Sea Scroll scholarship. I don’t think so. The scrolls do shed light on many interesting things, along with some biblical finds as well. But do remember they are mostly a mixture of many non biblical writings most of which would not be accepted into our cannon of scripture anyway. Besides we have thousands of manuscripts that already verify our bible. Throw in the other 1950 yrs of church history along with the many volumes written by the church fathers in which we nearly have the entirety of our bible just there alone. As to the question of the King James Bible being perfect. Well it certainly has stood the test of time.

I listened to a lecture by Hershel Shanks, previous editor of Biblical Archaeology Review. He said the Dead Sea Scrolls translation revealed errors in Bible manuscripts that were published later, both Greek (LXX) and Hebrew.
I will but in.briefly to state that the dead Sea scrolls also contained a full copy of Isaiah the matched the.majority text almost perfectly. 95% accurate.
 
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Despite the interesting discussions about Bible versions here, we've still NOT seen any SCRIPTURAL SUPPORT for the KJVO myth.

Still waiting...

As long as you're not holding your breath. :)
 
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Despite the interesting discussions about Bible versions here, we've still NOT seen any SCRIPTURAL SUPPORT for the KJVO myth.

Still waiting...
Show scripture support for any translation. In the early 1600's when there were many English dissenters in Nederland, their Meetings began at about 8.00 am and lasted until they finished, usually after midday. No translations were allowed, only Greek and Hebrew. (C B Jewson, History of Bapists in Noffolk)
 
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Despite the interesting discussions about Bible versions here, we've still NOT seen any SCRIPTURAL SUPPORT for the KJVO myth.

Still waiting...
me and another poster are verifying the evidence I gave about the KJV and God's hand upon that translation: I will let you know what we come up with. Reminder this only works with the KJV. Yes I know verses were added later, but this study is to see if perhaps God preserved at least one moderately accurate Bible in the english language. The errors documented with the KJV have mainly been corrected in the NKJV. Other majority text translations are in the work but nothing of the caliber as the original KJV.

But I did my own calculation on the chapters and found psalm 118 to be the middle chapter, some sites are saying psalm 117 is the middle. So I decided to check it myself, I will retest it one more time on an excel sheet to see why there is a discrepancy

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Show scripture support for any translation. In the early 1600's when there were many English dissenters in Nederland, their Meetings began at about 8.00 am and lasted until they finished, usually after midday. No translations were allowed, only Greek and Hebrew. (C B Jewson, History of Bapists in Noffolk)
Once upon a long time ago one of my New Testament professors, Dr. Dale Moody, taught directly from the Greek NT translating and exegeting as he went along.
 
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Count Tischendorf is a name that inspires a similar degree of confidence as Heinrich Schliemann in the field of Trojan archaeology. Now they're boldly asserting that the authenticity of the latter's discoveries can't be falsified because in his enthusiastic digging for Agamemnon's treasure he destroyed all the mounds above the oldest Troy. We wake up to the stench of fraud and cover-up.
Shrewd Manager interesting that you should choose to use Heinrich Schliemanns possible discovery of Troy as a comparison for Constantin Von Tischendorfs discovery of the Codex Sinaiticus at St Catherines. But unlike Troy the word of God was already a accepted established reality from centuries prior. Though there is much to appreciate and learn from the legacy of Troy and it’s demise . And that is that you should never allow a Trojan Horse inside.
 
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Show scripture support for any translation.

All there is, is where the Holy Spirit caused the audience at the "first pentecost" to hear Peter's preaching in each person's primary language.


In the early 1600's when there were many English dissenters in Nederland, their Meetings began at about 8.00 am and lasted until they finished, usually after midday. No translations were allowed, only Greek and Hebrew. (C B Jewson, History of Bapists in Noffolk)

My point is, GOD does NOT favor any one English translation over all others. (Nor any one translation among many in any other language, either.)
 
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me and another poster are verifying the evidence I gave about the KJV and God's hand upon that translation: I will let you know what we come up with. Reminder this only works with the KJV. Yes I know verses were added later, but this study is to see if perhaps God preserved at least one moderately accurate Bible in the english language. The errors documented with the KJV have mainly been corrected in the NKJV. Other majority text translations are in the work but nothing of the caliber as the original KJV.

But I did my own calculation on the chapters and found psalm 118 to be the middle chapter, some sites are saying psalm 117 is the middle. So I decided to check it myself, I will retest it one more time on an excel sheet to see why there is a discrepancy

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The Model T was the best car for the American roads of 1909 when it came out, & millions were sold, but by 1927, the roads were vastly-improved & new tech had been invented, so the Model T was replaced with the Model A.

Same with the KJV. It was the best English Bible translation of 400 years ago, but the language had changed, & more translating knowledge had been found, so new translations were made. Naturally, GOD was behind that.
 
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me and another poster are verifying the evidence I gave about the KJV and God's hand upon that translation:

I believe God's hand has been on ALL translations, and he has been with the Godly men and women who have made them.

As said before, what you have posted is cool but it is not evidence that the KJV alone is the only inspired translation of Scripture. All that chart does is to show that the verses etc have been numbered and arranged in a certain way. It says nothing about accuracy in translation or the documents that were available at the time.

I know there are at least 2 inaccuracies in the KJV; in one place in uses the word "Easter" when the early church did not know or use the word; it should have been Pascha. In another place it uses the name Jesus when, in the context, it clearly should have been "Joshua".
The KJV is not perfect - I don't think any translation is. And people certainly had God's word available to them before it came along.
 
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The Model T was the best car for the American roads of 1909 when it came out, & millions were sold, but by 1927, the roads were vastly-improved & new tech had been invented, so the Model T was replaced with the Model A.

Same with the KJV. It was the best English Bible translation of 400 years ago, but the language had changed, & more translating knowledge had been found, so new translations were made. Naturally, GOD was behind that.
Unless the manuscrips behind the new translations were forged. Why else would God allow parallel bible translations one with roughly 20 to 30 more verses than the other?
 
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Unless the manuscrips behind the new translations were forged. Why else would God allow parallel bible translations one with roughly 20 to 30 more verses than the other?

Like I said, what evidence have you of this?
What evidence is there that the KJV, produced only in the 1600s, is the only inspired/true/perfect word of God? The same KJV, incidentally, that was revised a few years later?
Language has changed a lot since the KJV was produced, and other documents have been found too.
 
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Like I said, what evidence have you of this?
What evidence is there that the KJV, produced only in the 1600s, is the only inspired/true/perfect word of God? The same KJV, incidentally, that was revised a few years later?
Language has changed a lot since the KJV was produced, and other documents have been found too.
The one that is typically used is not, in fact, the 1611. It's most frequently the 1769 Blaney revision.
 
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The one that is typically used is not, in fact, the 1611. It's most frequently the 1769 Blaney revision.
I have a Hendrickson repro copy of the original AV 1611. It's an accurate dupe in every way, except for physical size & the font being Roman insteada Gothic. naturally it has the translators' preface, To The Reader, & all the other extratextual material found in the original, including the Apocrypha, as well as all the marginal notes. (I've examined an ORIGINAL AV 1611, so I know what's supposed to be in it.)
 
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Unless the manuscrips behind the new translations were forged. Why else would God allow parallel bible translations one with roughly 20 to 30 more verses than the other?
For the same reasons He caused the FOUR "Gospels", which are basically the accounts of the same events from 4 different authors, to become Scripture.
 
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Despite the interesting discussions about Bible versions here, we've still NOT seen any SCRIPTURAL SUPPORT for the KJVO myth.

Still waiting...
Given that you started the topic in response to something you said "Bible Highlighter" said, have you made sure he has seen the topic so he could give a response?
 
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Shrewd Manager interesting that you should choose to use Heinrich Schliemanns possible discovery of Troy as a comparison for Constantin Von Tischendorfs discovery of the Codex Sinaiticus at St Catherines. But unlike Troy the word of God was already a accepted established reality from centuries prior. Though there is much to appreciate and learn from the legacy of Troy and it’s demise . And that is that you should never allow a Trojan Horse inside.
The comparison was made solely on the basis of untrustworthy names, miraculous finds and authentication issues. Timeo danaos et dona ferentes.
 
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Like I said, what evidence have you of this?
What evidence is there that the KJV, produced only in the 1600s, is the only inspired/true/perfect word of God? The same KJV, incidentally, that was revised a few years later?
Language has changed a lot since the KJV was produced, and other documents have been found too.
I believe it's still there, my original post I think it's #2 or #4 at the beginning of the thread, feel free to read it and reply. It has an image on it.
 
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For the same reasons He caused the FOUR "Gospels", which are basically the accounts of the same events from 4 different authors, to become Scripture.
You think God wanted the Vatican's paws in the transmission of our sacred scriptures?
 
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